[xersanozgen (OP)]

MASTER-KEY (1) INFORMATION for the COLLAPSE of SPECIAL RELATIVITY

The list the series of consecutive reference systems in accordance with their comprehending capacity:

A material or any one (The source of light or Einstein's train for SR)
The Earth (or Einstein's rails)
The Sun
Milky Way
Local cluster
Super cluster
The general form of Universe
Light coordinate system (Macro reference system)

NEW CONCEPT: The velocity of light is relative according to "light coordinate system/macro reference system/most external system". The velocity of light is character as Vor (Vor: The relative velocity according to out of universe).

The light does not accept anything by reference system except itself (The first coordinate system is reference for materials. The first coordinate system of light is the most external system. The values of light's speed "Vor and original*" are equal (But these values for materials are different).

The measures of light's velocity by present techniques give always the value "c" by this (Vor) labeling.

The theory of SR supposes and loads the meaning that the value "c" is relative according to its source (or train). It is very important: "Which speed do we intend to measure?"

Anyway, the new concept is actually. Henceforth, we would understand and use the meaning that the value "c" is relative according to macro reference system.

If a theoretical analysis is organized by "the light coordinate system", the units of time and length remain like classical physics (the values of velocity of all partners would be use by the character as Vor, especially for the source and observer).

For quotation:  Ersan O. Autopsy Report of SR Infoyay  2003, 2008.

I am here for the questions.

*Original speed: the speed which it can create by its own power.

 

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Master-Key of Collapse of SR (4)

1-   It is possible and effective the isolation some secondary factors for scientific analysis. So, it is obtained the elementary analysis on master axle of the event or subject. For example, the traveling line is straight and the speed of subject is fixed in SR; also the observer, the source and the light travels on parallel lines. They present easiness for basic analysis.
2-   But, we have no the rules of these isolations or reductions. The scientists may use and decide the appropriate dosage. The optimum dosage is defined by the concept of necessity and adequacy. If the isolation is exceeded, the claims can be defended easily. But if needless isolations are removed their precision may be impaired.
3-   In my opinion the possibility of scientific isolation is used over optimum or extremely in SR analysis. For example the theory is set by an inertial system and the light in the original text. And so it has consistence easily. It may be not perceived as a problem the light at the opposite direction according to the direction of its source on relative subject.
4-   Lorentz's analysis has clarity for the light at the opposite according to its sources'. But also he analyzed the light at the same direction of its source. Here it is a needless isolation. If we analyze the opposite light by the rules of SR, this time we find "the time contraction" instead of dilation.
5-   The theory of SR organized between only two actors with train-rails example or Earth-spaceship. But universe is never composed of only two subjects. The third and other actors menace the results of SR like in a marriage.

For example: If the relative speed of the train is Ve according to the earth; Vv according to Virgo; Vf according to the cluster Fornax; Vc according to the super cluster Coma; Va according to Abell 2246; V326 according to 3C 326.1 etc…The contraction of the train's length will be the values of  e %, v %, f %, c %, a %, …..x % etc. simultaneously because of SR. And the time dilations for the train will be the values of e' %, v' %, f' %, c' %, a' %,……x' % etc. simultaneously by SR. But it is impossible the different values of deformations simultaneously.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

There are some definitions in science history; they were imperfect. The reason of deficiency may be because of could not perceiving the complete of picture especially for universal subjects. An example and its identical for SR:

[xersanozgen (OP)]

There are some definitions in science history; they were imperfect. The reason of deficiency may be because of could not perceiving the complete of picture especially for universal subjects. An example and its identical for SR:

 

The form of Earth is flat, because we have visual evidence: The sun and the moon are always upside in everywhere.

The measured value of light's velocity is relative according to local frame; because we have experimental evidence, we measure and find always the value "c" in everywhere.

The form of Earth is spherical.It was hidden because of local looking. But we can perceive this reality due to advanced science.

The measured value of light's velocity is relative only according to most external frame. We distinguish this reality/alternative due to thinking like abstract mathematics. We can measure and find the value "c" because  of the technique of the measuring mechanism  (with mirrors and uninterrupted light)

[LeeE]

I flatly refuse to read stuff that's multi-coloured.  If you want people to pay any attention to what you write and really want some feedback from them, make it easy for them to read.

[lyner]

Also your posts are too many and too rambling to expect anyone to read them. Why not just post one post and wait for a reply?
Failing that, get your own website and fill it with all the nonsense you want.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Also your posts are too many and too rambling to expect anyone to read them. Why not just post one post and wait for a reply?
Failing that, get your own website and fill it with all the nonsense you want.

www.infoyay.com/english.php

[lyner]

That's ok as far as it goes but I can only see a list of headings on the web page.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Slower And Faster Tempo Of Time At The Same Clock

Figure-1: To = T'o = 0




[SIZE="2"]..................A………….........………S……........………B[/SIZE]
Figure-2 Tı = 10 earth-second

1-   We want to analyze spaceship's motion by the theory of SR or Lorentz's analysis. The value of its speed is "v" according to The Earth.
2-   The Earth is a reference frame.
3-   The spaceship has a source of light (a flash). And an observer is on the Earth.
4-   At the moment of To The observer and the flash are at the point "A". And it flashes.
5-   Light impulse of the flash has the same value of speed "c" according to the spaceship and the Earth (according to the theory).
6-   Flash's light can travel to every direction. We consider the same directional light for first analysis (Fig.-2).
7-   At the moment Tı (= 10 earth-second) the light is at the point "B" and the spaceship is at the point "S".
8-   The results according to the theory: (t=10 - 0=10 earth-second)

AS = v.t = 1 800 000 earth-km

L = AB =c.t= 3 000 000 earth-km (traveling length for light according to earth and the unit of earth)

SB = 1 200 000 earth-km

L'(same) = SB = 1 200 000 / [1 - (v/c)^2]^1/2 = 1 500 000 ship-km (traveling length for the same light according to spaceship and the unit of ship).

t'(same) = (t - v.L/c^2) / [1 - (v/c)^2]^1/2 = 5 ship-second (traveling time of the same light according to spaceship).

c = L'(same) / t'(same) = 1 500 000 / 5 = 300 000 space-km/space-second.

OK.  THE THEORY IS CERTIFICATED.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Slower And Faster Tempo Of Time At The Same Clock


...............B'…………………………………...............A…………………........S………........……B

AS = v.t = 1 800 000 earth-km

L = AB' = c.t = (-) 3 000 000 earth-km

SB' = 4 800 000 earth-km

L'(opp.)= 4 800 000 / [1 - (v/c)^2]^1/2 = 6 000 000 ship-km (traveling length for the same light according to spaceship and the unit of ship).

t" (opp.) = (t - v.L/c^2) / [1 - (v/c)^2]^1/2 = 20 ship-second.

c = L'(opp.) / t"(opp.) = 6 000 000 / 20 = 300 000 ship-km/ship-second

OK. THE THEORY IS CERTIFICATED.

12-   Yes, we obtained the fixed value for the velocity of light in both case.
13-   T(same) =T'(same) = T(opp.) = T'(opp.) The moment of analyzing time  is a singular time because of the existence of the light.
14-   We have a problem. Because:

                           t'(opp.) >t(reference) > t'(same)
 20>10>5

It means:    Faster tempo > Ref. Tempo > Slower tempo

15-   The same directional analysis requires slower tempo of time to remain the fixity of light's velocity.
16-   But the opposite directional analysis requires faster tempo of time to remain the fixity of light's velocity.
17-   It is not possible two different tempos for one clock in the same frame simultaneously because of causality.
18-   One unit of ship-second is concerning with the relative speed of spaceship only. The ship-km is not problem; it has independence from light's direction. But the tempo of time is related with light's direction.

THE THEORY of SR has A CONTRARY.


Conclusions:


1-   We don't need the opposite directional light to perceive this contrary; because Einstein had said in his book: The perpendicular light is not a reason for deformation of time (because its relative value of speed's projection is zero according to ship's direction. Slower tempo and reference tempo of time is together in the same frame; also this case is imposibble.
2-   Doubtless the theory has sympathy because of time-travel. And there are the fanatics for the theory. They may want to kick the ball to touch. But this examination has clarity. If some one can not leave the theory because of its fantastic results like time travel, he consider misinforming. 
3-   Of course the light can travel the directions of 360 degree even spherical for

[xersanozgen (OP)]

My master study is "Effective/visible form of Universe". The collapse of SR is by-product of this study.

I submitted a summary at the topic "Is the big bang correct?"

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[xersanozgen (OP)]

My last synthesis for this subject:

http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers-Relativity%20Theory/Download/6600

[xersanozgen (OP)]

A practical example for new light paradigm instead of SR:

https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/77-11-oezgen-ersan-and-isinsu-ersan-light-kinematics-to-analyze-space-time.html

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013PhyEs..26...49E

[xersanozgen (OP)]

TYPES OF RELATIVITY


1. Genuine relativity: In this regard, we must remember the essence of the concept of
simple relativity. A car obtains its speed by applying power to the road surface via
friction, such that the numerical value of its speed is relative to the road. Thus, the
road is the reference frame (or comparing/inertial object) for the speed of the car.
The car obtains its speed via its frictional pushing against the road or in actuality,
the mass under the road. The road or mass of the Earth beneath it, has an active
(but indirect) role in the motion and speed of the car. In other words, the speed of
the moving body is relative to the mass of the reference frame. At the time of
motion, the car’s speed remains relative to the road. The distance between the car
and its starting point can be determined by this relative value of its speed.


2. Nominal/supposed relativity: Think about two cars moving on the same road.
When we give the reference role to one of them (we suppose that it is immobile),
the speed of other car (vectorial total of their speeds) can be defined as “nominal
relative”. This car does not obtain this value of its speed due to other car. In this
regard, the nominal relative value of a particular speed is the titular / notional /
artificial / comparative value. The increasing/decreasing speed of the distance
between these two cars can be defined by coding for the “nominal relative” speed
of each car.


3. Momentary/temporary relativity: If a player throws a ball, what is the reference
frame of the ball’s speed? The player is the reason for the ball’s motion, as the
player supplies the power. Therefore, we can say that “the ball moves away from
the player at the speed at which was thrown” or “the ball’s speed has a value that is
relative to the player”. However, this holds only if the player does not leave the
point from which (s)he threw the ball. Naturally the player has freedom to move
after throwing the ball. At any given moment of flowing time, the distance
between the player and the ball will differ from the “v.t” value, because the player
can travel in any direction [even if (s)he maintains uniform motion]. However, the
relativity-based computation is valid with regard to the throwing point (which can
be marked on the ground); thus, the main reference frame regarding the relativity
of the ball’s speed is the mass of the ground. The player determines the quality of
reference frame only at the throwing moment; at subsequent moments the distance
between the player and the ball cannot be determined merely by the throwing
speed. Likewise, the relativity of the ball’s speed is valid only with regard to the
point (marked on the ground) at which the ball was thrown. Thus, the ground is the
co-reference frame for the motions of the player and the ball.



Which type of relativity pertains to the relationship between light and its
source/moving body?

[yor_on]

I would recommend you looking up the words obfuscate and obscurantism. Then redress your questions in a more understandable manner. You really need to make your ideas clearer.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

I would recommend you looking up the words obfuscate and obscurantism. Then redress your questions in a more understandable manner. You really need to make your ideas clearer.

Thanks for your interest.

The theories of special and general relativity have methodological defects. I want to tell these defects.

Please  ask focused questions

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Which type of relativity pertains to the relationship between light and its
source/moving body?

SR theory considers “the relativity concept” according to its first
meaning (genuine relativity). Based on SR theory “the distance between a photon and its
source always increases with the value of speed c “. We must, therefore, discuss “what
contribution the source makes to the velocity of light?” or whether “the source makes any
such contribution at all”. The source never applies a power akin to pushing or throwing. In
addition, the light does not apply such power to the source or moving body or its
place/ground (*). The light’s velocity results from electro-magnetic cycles in space. The value of
light’s velocity can be defined based on the concept of “genuine relativity”, which considers
only the space involved. I prefer to call this major reference frame “Light coordinate system
(LCS)”. If we suppose that the source throws the photons, then the relationship between the
light and its source (or moving body) is defined by momentary relativity by-which the light
instantly transfers to the LCS. In this case, the LCS is the co-reference frame for the motions
of the light and the other actors (source, observer, everything). The values of all parameters
involved must be determined based on a co-reference frame, which is the LCS for light
kinematics.

 (*)  The velocity of light is the highest value in the universe; nevertheless, it does not accelerate to obtain
this high value. This quality of light incorporates the concept of independence and superiority. In actuality,
light has uniform motion in accordance with the Galilean principle of relativity. When considered in this way,
the light or its comparison frame (LCS) is the most competent reference system for light kinematics.

[GoC]

There are some failures in your analysis of relativity. SR is not the failure you suspect. The failure is your interpretation of SR. There is no perpendicular path for light in vector speed. The spectrum where photons exist are not particles A moving to B. It is merely a wave on the spectrum same as any other alpha or Bata wave on the spectrum. Electrons do not travel to the dual slit only the representative wave of the electron travels at c. Dilation of the clock in the forward vector with a ship takes the geometry of the hypotenuse of a right triangle. Half the speed of light is a 30,60,90 triangle. Cos 30 = 0.866025 which represents the clocks reduction in tick rate relative to one. The reduction in tick rate is due to the increased travel distance of the hypotenuse. This is the same value as the Lorentz contraction using Euclidean geometry. The speed of light is c but the distance is the hypotenuse 1.33075. I can even explain the equivalence in GR if you like. But there is nothing wrong with SR or GR. Stay on the path. You might learn Relativity properly.

[yor_on]

Well there is a contribution that's been proved experimentally, called a recoil. As that 'photon' leaves, the material it left recoils, due to conservation laws. Whether one want to see that as a 'photon propagating' or just as a example of conservation laws is another thing.

[guest4091]

xersanogen #56

If we suppose that the source throws the photons, then the relationship between the
light and its source (or moving body) is defined by momentary relativity by-which the light instantly transfers to the LCS. In this case, the LCS is the co-reference frame for the motions of the light and the other actors (source, observer, everything). The values of all parameters
involved must be determined based on a co-reference frame, which is the LCS for light kinematics.

You mentioned marking the ground where the ball motion originated. Where do you mark for the emission point of light? If it is a material emitter, how fast is it moving in space?