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quote: the real question is, What do you believe in, what do you know without proof, and how do is co-exsist with what you know, and what you question?
quote:Originally posted by xardrai didn't mean to make this a religious discussion. my original intent was to clear up the fact that i have a strong passion for both science and religion. i think he waqnted to show that we are a struggling couple whose beliefs are very different and we are co exisitng and in love with eachother...
quote:Originally posted by TitanscapeSorry about my long post. Just i think relational knowing is as valid as scientific.Titanscape
quote:Originally posted by TronixScience and religion are both modes of understanding. One understands by reason, another by faith. A scientist may have faith that his theory is true, which spurs him to find the answer, and a buddihist or wiccan or christian or what have you needs to have some small bits of proof to back up his faith. A possible mix, but not an easy one. But, i dont see why someone cant believe that god sent life on the path to evolution, or that thier is a possibility of ghosts and such.
quote:Originally posted by neilepCan I just mention Tronix, that when you say a scientist can have faith, you're not meanining that the faith a scientist has means that he/she believes in a god yes ?...you mean that the scientist just believes that the answer to a problem or research will eventually be attained by study and experimentation eh ?...therefore the Faith a scientist has is just the belief that a conclusion must exist after empirical study.........nothing to do with religion at all eh ?Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
quote:Originally posted by gsmollin"rational faith"... an oxymoron. Either you people have never studied religion, or you just never paid attention. Articles of faith are taken without proof, not even enough proof for a scientist to construct a coherent hypothesis. In a religious sense, the word "faith" has no relationship to the use of the same word when we really mean "reasonable hope". A scientist has "reasonable hope" that after enough theory and experiment he can prove a hypothesis and raise it to a working theory. The word "faith" may be used in place of "hope", but its got nothing in common with religion.In a religious context, articles of faith have been already proved by the word of God, and are not open to anymore meddling. What you are discussing here is heresy, and the church has not treated heretics kindly in the past.Some scientists are deeply religious. Whatever religious beliefs they hold on faith are not the same things they seek to prove by scientific method.