[Make it Lady]

If everyone had the same lifestyle as we presently do in the richer, western countries then the world is F****d. Equatiy has to mean that we give up stuff in order to raise people out of poverty. The way the world is at the moment is not sustainable. So is it just the responsibility of the president to save the planet. I think not.

[Vern]

I was referring to 'the president', actually.

We've been watching him closely the last few days. It looks like he is taking the path of least resistance. He's swinging to the right enough to make me feel almost comfortable []

[Make it Lady]

Red neck!

[Vern]

Red neck!

Yep !!

[yor_on]

Oh, kay SC:)
My bad.

[Vern]

I was referring to 'the president', actually.

We just heard that the president is signing on to the Cap and Trade scheme. But we still have some folks talking to him. Maybe it will be changed somewhat.

[Make it Lady]

Keep going Barry. I'm behind you.

[BenV]

I always got the impression that carbon trading worked better within one country than between them, as the rich would be forced to share their wealth with the cautious, thus making the 'low emmision' way of life more attractive to all.

[Vern]

I always got the impression that carbon trading worked better within one country than between them, as the rich would be forced to share their wealth with the cautious, thus making the 'low emmision' way of life more attractive to all.

But when your government starts levying a fines on individuals it will become unpopular very fast. And in countries like mine, probably would not survive the next election.

[lyner]

The basic problem with carbon trading is that it doesn't produce the right effect. People who didn't want to produce the stuff get paid by people who shouldn't be producing it. That means we get more CO2 produced than we should and someone is getting paid for making us feel better about it. They're not actually 'selling' anything - but coffin nails, possibly.

[Vern]

The basic problem with carbon trading is that it doesn't produce the right effect. People who didn't want to produce the stuff get paid by people who shouldn't be producing it. That means we get more CO2 produced than we should and someone is getting paid for making us feel better about it. They're not actually 'selling' anything - but coffin nails, possibly.

Right; except it is not the people who get paid. The money never leaves the system. Its like a black hole; money goes in; nothing comes out.

[sarahjohn63]

Not only four years but it is in our hand how to save earth. If you not pollute our envelopment then earth will save more then four years. And I really thanks to United States Government because they doing very good projects about save our environment.

[peppercorn]

I really thanks to United States Government because they doing very good projects about save our environment.

Such as?