[dentstudent]

He was knighted in the 2009 honours list too, it seems.

[JimBob]

QUOTE: Geo-forces are natural forces, not criminal forces.


Sumatra-Andaman event killed 225,000± people and is greatest proof that natural forces are greatest criminal forces!!! I'm very sorry sir!

No you are not sorry - when confronted with the reality of the natural world you protest, protest, protest.

That isn't rational for a human being - who evolved in and, is a product of, that same natural world.

I don't have any interest what you think about the ATLANTIS!

That is very non-productive in a DISCUSSION FORUM such as this one. Did you post this topic to discuss your theory or just preach to us about it?

ATLANTIS is not myth or theory. ATLANTIS IS TRUTH!

I HAVE A LOT OF PROOF ON THE FLOOR OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN!

INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROOFS ARE ALREADY DISCOVERED THERE!

SO, ATLANTIS IS TRUTH!  I CAN'T UNDERSTAND!!! ))) WHAT??? ))) THEORY??? ))))

 

All scientific evidence - i.e., rocks direct observations, magnetic readings, gravity anomaly readings, etc. - show NO difference in the sea floor where you have drawn in "Atlantis" than in any other place along the mid-Atlantic spreading zone. If there were scientific evidence I would be the first one to back you - but you have presented no such evidence!

So, to show how false and non-scientific what I have seen so far, I am going to pose the following:

MY TRUTH!

Georgia is part of the Iran. As it was once part of the Persian Empire, it is properly part of Iran. To quote you,  

Iran IS TRUTH!  I CAN'T UNDERSTAND!!! ))) WHAT??? ))) THEORY??? ))))

And Sir Terry Pratchett is the Shah of Iran. (Another TRUTH!!!)

[K.Margiani (OP)]

Now my friends we have to turn at the much more interesting topic!
First my question is that. What is that?
“15,000B.C. highly cultured race in Ontario Canada!”
–in the logical framework, of course! Looks like a hunting colony of Atlantians for processing skins of wild animals for clothes. Atlantians had rapid reproduction.
If someone knows anything please help me.
Please send links or information.
Thank you!

[DoctorBeaver]

“15,000B.C. highly cultured race in Ontario Canada!”

If they were so smart, why did they go to Canada?  []

[JimBob]

Now my friends we have to turn at the much more interesting topic!
First my question is that. What is that?
“15,000B.C. highly cultured race in Ontario Canada!”
–in the logical framework, of course! Looks like a hunting colony of Atlantians for processing skins of wild animals for clothes. Atlantians had rapid reproduction.
If someone knows anything please help me.
Please send links or information.
Thank you!

If it you can't have it your way - change the subject!

To Echo Doctor Beaver -

Yes - WHY CANADA? That is NOT a smart move as 17,000 years ago unless you like ice.

"During the most recent North American glaciation, during the latter part of the Wisconsin Stage (26,000 to 13,300 years ago), ice sheets extended to about 45 degrees north latitude. These sheets were 3 to 4 km thick." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_ages

The southern edge of the ice sheets is marked by the Great Lakes of North America and the Saint Lawrence River - sorry, but Ontario was under 2-4 Km of ice until 13,300 years ago when the ice STARTED to retreat. Full retreat to present location has been very gradual and is still occurring.

Must have been hard trying to find anything alive to skin 15,000 years ago. And that is really DUMB. Quite un-Atlantian.

[K.Margiani (OP)]

Doctor Beaver I don't know still, what is this, who discovered? what is discovered there!
food and clothes were necessary of course. on the isolated island hunting was possible at zoo only. 

1. the giant short-faced bear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArctodusSimusReconstruct.jpg
I think it had excellent skin!

2. Mammoth had best thickest skin! etc.

[JimBob]

Doctor Beaver I don't know still, what is this, who discovered? what is discovered there!
food and clothes were necessary of course. on the isolated island hunting was possible at zoo only. 

1. the giant short-faced bear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArctodusSimusReconstruct.jpg
I think it had excellent skin!

2. Mammoth had best thickest skin! etc.

Why do you wish to avoid any discourse with me as I am presenting a serious discussion? Do you ignore people as you please and Address only Doctor Beaver, who is somewhat more gullible?
_______________

You are ignoring the fact that when you say Atlantians were hunting in Canada 15,000 years ago, the ice was several kilometers thick and NOTHING lived on it. It was exactly as the interior of Antartica is today.

Do facts mean anything to you?

[Madidus_Scientia]

I've often wondered, how much evidence of delusion do you need from a person to have them carted off to an asylum?

[K.Margiani (OP)]

JIM!
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2002PA000769.shtml

GLAMAP 2000 presents new reconstructions of the Atlantic's sea surface temperatures (SST) at the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), defined at both 21,500–18,000 years B.P. (“Last Isotope Maximum”) and 23,000–19,000 years B.P. (maximum glacial sea level low stand and orbital minimum of solar insolation;

New results mean that within Ontario was possible HUNTING 15,000 BP.!

[K.Margiani (OP)]

Jim!
Quote: Canada 15,000 years ago, the ice was several kilometers thick and NOTHING lived on it. It was exactly as the interior of Antartica is today.

That happened 23,000–18,000 years B.P. several kilometers thick sheet could create huge evaporation of water from warm and hot seas and oceans. that could produce huge fissure outflow from asthenosphere through the mid-ocean ridges mainly!

Conclusive evidence about global geo-catastrophe 23,000 BP! 

[DoctorBeaver]

Why do you wish to avoid any discourse with me as I am presenting a serious discussion? Do you ignore people as you please and Address only Doctor Beaver, who is somewhat more gullible?

Gullible, am I? I have been studying mythology, ancient civilisations and ancient languages for the past 20 years so am interested to read such amusing theories. I am merely entering into a discourse to establish exactly what proof Mr Margiani has to support his seemingly grundless assertions.

I have already ascertained that his knowledge of Etruscan & Phonecian scripts is non-existent. Now I await evidence to support the claim that Atlantis had 64,000,000 inhabitants at a time when the populaton of the whole of Europe was a mere 400,000. I am not hopeful that any will be forthcoming.

Jim - your comments on the geology of the Atlantic floor are welcome. That is a field I know nothing of. Come to think of it, Texas is almost Central America so you must know some Mayan myths  []

[JimBob]

Jim!
Quote: Canada 15,000 years ago, the ice was several kilometers thick and NOTHING lived on it. It was exactly as the interior of Antartica is today.

That happened 23,000–18,000 years B.P. several kilometers thick sheet could create huge evaporation of water from warm and hot seas and oceans. that could produce huge fissure outflow from asthenosphere through the mid-ocean ridges mainly!

Conclusive evidence about global geo-catastrophe 23,000 BP! 

JIM!
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2002PA000769.shtml

GLAMAP 2000 presents new reconstructions of the Atlantic's sea surface temperatures (SST) at the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), defined at both 21,500–18,000 years B.P. (“Last Isotope Maximum”) and 23,000–19,000 years B.P. (maximum glacial sea level low stand and orbital minimum of solar insolation;

New results mean that within Ontario was possible HUNTING 15,000 BP.!

This is not new - "Published 3 May 2003."  It is included in my comment - Yes, the global max was about 18,000 years ago. The maximum WAS a southern extent of the ice to beyond the present location of the Ohio and Missouri Rivers. As the ice retreated from 18,000 to 13,000 years ago it had a "still-stand" or a period when no retreat was happening at about 13,000 years ago. The ice did not retreat any further north than the St. Lawrence and Great Lakes until abut 11,000 years ago.

See http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nercNORTHAMERICA.html - OH my it is older than 2003 but the data has STILL not been refuted. It has been reinforced.

LASTLY -
The assertion that the seas were responsible for outflow from the asthenosphere is ludicrous - firstly, because the insulating properties of the ocean floor, secondly and most importantly, Issac Newton.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_cooling#Newton.27s_law_of_cooling

A system cools from the hottest part to the coolest. The vacuum and coolness of space allows ONLY for heat flow to occur from the core of the earth outward. It cannot occur the other way around as proven by Issac Newton.

My, my, my - I learned that 5 years before I went to university at 18 years old. I am sorry you missed this law in school.

[JimBob]

Gullible, am I?

This needs no comment. The facts speak for themselves.  [] [:I] []

[DoctorBeaver]

Gullible, am I?

This needs no comment. The facts speak for themselves.  [] [:I] []

You dare to denegrate this polymath? Get back to your bullocks!

[JimBob]

Gullible, am I?

This needs no comment. The facts speak for themselves.  [] [:I] []

You dare to denegrate this polymath? Get back to your bullocks!

What did you expect me to do, roll over on the floor, begging for attention or lick your ear, then leaving a present in you slippers when you go to bed?

P-lease!

[K.Margiani (OP)]

There are written about low level of oceans during glaciations everywhere. I could not drink that!
For last millenniums the level was almost stable. That was connected to the stable temperature changes in the water basins.
Last two glaciations were started after global geo-catastrophes 25000± and 12,500± years ago.
The greatest and thickest sheets could create rapid evaporation from seas and oceans only. Rapid evaporation is reason of intensive snowfalls within polar zones and rainfalls in other zones.

It means something changes balance after the global geo-catastrophes. Clue is surrounded territories of the mid–ocean ridges and their reversal magnetism. Each huge long reversal zone along the ridges is connected to the different huge outflow during the events.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/developing.html
You can see that huge magma outflow lines are above the plates.
Reversal of the global magnetic field is rapid event (Few days maximum) on the geological timescale and closely connected to the global geo-catastrophes.
P.S. For logical framework and knowledge historical source is important. There is hidden greatest secret as well. For 3 days EB geo-transfer had created not only huge outflow-zones along the ridges.  EB geo-transfer created circulation into outer nucleus. Circulation of huge igneous liquid masses within E geo-sphere had created independent rotation of huge inner metallic and magnetic nucleus for (3) days. 
Unfortunately the ATLANTIS situated along the temporary  uplifted ridge approximately 25,000 years ago!
I'm very sorry!

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[LoneStar77]

Wow! I see the discussion has become downright spicy. [:-[]

How about a different take on the subject? I've studied the subject for fifty years and it keeps getting better.

I certainly wish K.Margiani had greater command of English, but I can understand. My wife uses English as a second language, and well... sometimes I have to get her to tell me several times and in different ways before I understand her point. Whew! K.Margiani's arguments are, by and large, not well-founded in demonstrable fact. And I agree with the earlier comment about the map. An interesting piece of art without evidence to back it up.

Atlantis! Certainly we don't have direct proof of it, yet. But consider this indirect evidence that suggests its possible past existence:

• Some Native American tribes, the Basques and some Finns are part of the mtDNA haplogroup X
• Plato's approximate date for Atlantis's demise coincides with the end of the Younger Dryas (~9620 BCE) -- an abrupt climate change worldwide.
• A moderately large volcanic trace was found in the Greenland ice cores for the same date (9620 BCE) dwindling over the next two-plus years.
• A possible 2-meter drop in sea level occurred right at the end of the YD -- this after thousands of years of sea level rise.
• Most mountains are formed near tectonic plate boundaries by the actions known as subduction and crustal folding. The traditional location of Atlantis (between Gibraltar and the mid-Atlantic ridge) is a tectonic plate boundary (the Africa-Eurasia).
• There is a sudden bend in the largely East-West boundary beginning at the Azores (about 36 Mya) and trending toward the Northwest.
• The so-called Azores "hot spot" is not like the Hawaii-Emperor chain. The ages of the volcanic islands are all over the map and not sequential like the aforementioned Pacific island chain.
• The plate boundary is indistinct in many locations along the Gloria Fracture Zone (from Gibraltar to the Azores).
• The bent leg of the plate boundary is noted by some geologists as a slight spreading center -- the Terceira Ridge.
• From about 7 Mya to about 5 Mya, Gibraltar was blocked, leading to the Messinia Salinity Crisis (the drying up of the Med).
• There are numerous anomalistic fractures across North Africa and one particularly large fracture at the eastern end of the African plate -- the Great Rift Valley (from about 35 Mya to present).

Each of these may be related to Plato's story. Naturally, each has many possible interpretations and there needs to be corroborative evidence to back up a link to the mythical island empire. The 2-meter drop in sea level worldwide is particularly interesting, but not a proven proxy for an actual event. It sorely needs corroboration from other sources. See newbielink:http://www.ancientsuns.com/ancient-earth/atlantis.php [nonactive] for more information. What makes it particularly interesting is the fact that two meters is consistent with the 3000-meter tectonic collapse of a Texas-size plot of land somewhere in the oceans of Earth. North Atlantic? There's the rub. We need more evidence.

Carl Martin
newbielink:http://www.MissionAtlantis.com [nonactive]

[K.Margiani (OP)]

The Swedes reported in New Scientist 6/1/1972, p.7, that "a reversal of the Earth's magnetic field had occurred 12, 400 years ago" which gives 10,428 BC. ± (±75 years is acceptable) Plato’s date is near to the truth!

The ruins of temples dated at 12,000 years old have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. Megalithic structures are not supposed to be in the Bahamas.
http://www.lost-civilizations.net/possible-physical-evidence-atlantis-page-2.html
Preliminary analysis has revealed that the original structures, although smaller in size than the Great Pyramid of Giza, appear to have been more advanced.
Casing stones have been measured which are of the same unique angle as those at the Great Pyramid.
The ruins are megalithic and bear a remarkable resemblance to ancient sites in Egypt. So called "quarry marks" found in the Aswan quarries and also on the Great Pyramid, itself, appear to be identical matches with those found on the Bimini temple stones.
One major difference, however, between the Egyptian sites and these stones is that on The Bimini stones you find a great number of sky maps which have recorded the paths of various heavenly bodies. The major concern of the mysterious ancient civilization that produced these heavenly maps seems to have been Saturn and Jupiter - with the oldest records reflecting an emphasis in Saturn.
Some of the stones are under water and some of them are under the sand under water. They are not in their original formation.

My comment:
 1. Looks like a king’s holiday place at the last boundary. King of marine power had journey place at the Bimini: Now is sunken and have been found near Bimini, Bahamas. There should be other remains of pre-flood constructions of the marine kingdom as well.
 2. This is proof: these islands were much wider at the boundary.

I will publish other evidences for my friends! 

[K.Margiani (OP)]

My main proof is Athanasius Kircher’s map.
 http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/pd--14434030/sp--A/igid--1738590/Map_of_Atlantis_Showing_Position_Relative_to_Europe_Africa_and_America.htm?sOrig=CAT&sOrigID=0&ui=BCBBEC4A6C754B47B915A5497E9F818D

Athanasius Kircher’s map 1669. Kircher was a Jesuit German priest, who lived between 1602-1680. He published “Mundus Subterraneus”, a book containing a map of Atlantis according to ancient Egyptian maps.  The original map was taken from Egypt by the Romans, probably around 30 AD.
 Ancient Egyptian source describes all details of my map! Mountains, valleys, two small and seven smaller islands, exactly coordinates two main volcanoes, Six main rivers, Path between two islands (trident of Poseidia) from Gibraltar  two the capital of Atlantis!

I respect your knowledge my opponents. My knowledge has another level and sources. You did not respect it!

I’m spending almost whole my life and money for mankind.
I want to say that soon 50% (as a minimum) of the mankind will die immediately. When will happen That?... Maybe tomorrow… or after 100 years… I don’t know… sorry… Geological evolution has own laws!

P.S. To study that in the Cambridge or Oxford impossible!

[K.Margiani (OP)]

Carl Martin Now you have Exclusive right to publish my Atlantis map in your site!

Please explain for your readers all my proofs and evidences; by modern English of course! []

I'll continue publication other evidences!

Thank you!