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Offline BenV

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« Reply #20 on: 24/07/2009 13:59:45 »
Quote from: profound on 24/07/2009 13:53:17
But how many were killed by terrorists?

Very, very few.
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« Reply #21 on: 24/07/2009 21:10:54 »
Quote from: Andrew K Fletcher on 24/04/2005 09:19:50
http://www.mercola.com/  (Source)
Have heard many negative reports on complementary medicine, and thought this might put things in prospective

Andrew K Fletcher

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the USA, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year
 
This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.

This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.

The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health.

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

12,000 -- unnecessary surgery 8
7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals 9
20,000 -- other errors in hospitals 10
80,000 -- infections in hospitals 10
106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs 2
These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!
What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment.

Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:

First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.1
If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).

Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with:

116 million extra physician visits
77 million extra prescriptions
17 million emergency department visits
8 million hospitalizations
3 million long-term admissions
199,000 additional deaths
$77 billion in extra costs
The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.



Could you pray tell us why these figures are never on television or on the front page?
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« Reply #22 on: 28/07/2009 06:05:07 »
I always get suspicious when statistics like this are thrown around without context.

It's easy to say "look at all these people that doctors kill!", but what you really need to ask is "how many of them would have died anyway?" Doctors treat sick people, and sick people tend to die. The idea behind seeing a doctor is not to guarantee good health and survival, but to improve your odds of having those things.

Of course, not all (or even most - i don't know the numbers) of the people who die from medical mistakes would have otherwise been done in by their illnesses. But that's hardly an indictment against the medical profession as a whole. Any time you elect to have surgery or take drugs, you're taking a risk, and it probably isn't possible to eliminate mistakes entirely. You shouldn't recoil in horror when you see large numbers of medicical treatment-related deaths; that's to be expected regardless of the quality of the medical profession, given the size of the population of a country such as the United States. It isn't sensible to say "these numbers are too high, they need to be lower!" without first establishing what, exactly, an acceptably low number of medical fatalities would be. This is necessary because the number will never be zero.
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« Reply #23 on: 28/07/2009 06:57:31 »
Andrew,
do you have any evidence for the assertion that "chewing on a small piece of lime is far more effective for a mouth infection or preventing a mouth infection." or is it just a biassed opinion?
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« Reply #24 on: 28/07/2009 09:09:01 »
I would think that there is some truth in the numbers. Just look at The late Michale Jackson. It is confirmed that he was taking Demerol.

According to newbielink:http://www.drugs.com/demerol.html [nonactive]
"Demerol is in a group of drugs called narcotic pain relievers. It is similar to morphine."

This was given to MJ on a regular basis.
newbielink:http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/26/michael-jackson-drugs-doctor-missing [nonactive]

Now, we don't know why he was prescribed this drug, but I bet once the investigations are over, it would say he didn't need it.

Simon
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« Reply #25 on: 28/07/2009 19:35:07 »
"I would think that there is some truth in the numbers. Just look at The late Michale Jackson. It is confirmed that he was taking Demerol. "
That may indicate that the leading cause of death in Mr Jackson was his doctor (or it may not) .

It says absolutely nothing about everybody else.
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« Reply #26 on: 30/07/2009 02:04:48 »
Quote from: exton on 28/07/2009 06:05:07
I always get suspicious when statistics like this are thrown around without context.

It's easy to say "look at all these people that doctors kill!", but what you really need to ask is "how many of them would have died anyway?" Doctors treat sick people, and sick people tend to die. The idea behind seeing a doctor is not to guarantee good health and survival, but to improve your odds of having those things.

Of course, not all (or even most - i don't know the numbers) of the people who die from medical mistakes would have otherwise been done in by their illnesses. But that's hardly an indictment against the medical profession as a whole. Any time you elect to have surgery or take drugs, you're taking a risk, and it probably isn't possible to eliminate mistakes entirely. You shouldn't recoil in horror when you see large numbers of medicical treatment-related deaths; that's to be expected regardless of the quality of the medical profession, given the size of the population of a country such as the United States. It isn't sensible to say "these numbers are too high, they need to be lower!" without first establishing what, exactly, an acceptably low number of medical fatalities would be. This is necessary because the number will never be zero.




Could you pray tell us why these figures are never on television or on the front page?
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« Reply #27 on: 12/09/2009 04:48:04 »
As I told my doctor the other day when I went for my annual anal "digitizing",

"I was perfectly well until I came in 'ere."
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