[NobodySavedMe (OP)]

I am possibly in a unique position to respond in this thread as I too have terminal cancer and only a few months to live. I've never been a fan of Jade Goody and consider her a talentless article who got where she is for no discernible reason. I do, though, sympathise with her plight; but no more so than with anyone else in the same situation. Just because she is a celebrity whose face I know I don't think I owe her more sympathy than anyone else with terminal cancer.

Paul is right to point out that she is milking every last ounce of publicity out of her condition. Why? Because she wants to ensure her children's future? She already has enough money for that. The truth is she is a fanatical self-publicist. Were she not, she would never have entered Big Brother in the 1st place.

I also agree with MakeItLady who said that if Ms Goody is responsible for saving just 1 life then what she is doing is worthwhile. I did an interview on BBC Radio 5 last Saturday evening and afterwards someone phoned the show to say that he was going to make some changes in his life as a result of things I'd said. That pleased me because just changing 1 person's life for the better is worthwhile.

So, love Jade Goody or hate her, she is in a sad situation; but no worse a situation than thousands of others. To try to portray her as some kind of goddess is warped. She is a human being - no more, no less.

I am very sorry to hear you have terminal cancer.

In any case Jade Goody is not talentless .She has made more money then you or me and shows she has hidden smarts.She is a national icon now and we must support her.

Her wedding is very soon.

Paray that she makes it through the wedding.I will be taking the day of work to paray for her.

She has show remarkable courage in coming out and showing her condition publicly.

She even showed that she was bald,thanks to the horrible doctors giving her money making poisons to boost the profits of fruadulent pharmaceutical companies who charge it to the NHS budget.


I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.

You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment.

By the way can you guess why my user name is NobodySavedMe?

[Madidus_Scientia]

I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.

What? He said he decided to forego chemotherapy because it was not very effective on his type of cancer.

So it's his own fault he can't recover from cancer because he's failed to save himself? WTF?

[DoctorBeaver]

She has made more money then you or me...

Are you sure of that?

...and shows she has hidden smarts.

A good publicist (Max Clifford), you mean. Without him she would still be a nobody.

I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.

You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment.

I haven't failed to save myself yet because I am still alive. I have declined chemo because it is largely ineffective against the type of cancer I have and would serve only to make me feel worse. I am looking at numerous alternative therapies and I can assure you (and if you knew me you would already know this) that I have in no way been brainwashed.

Incidentally, I have more talent in my little finger than Ms Goody has in her entire body. I am a qualified piano teacher, acheived grade 7 on guitar, can play numerous other instruments to a fairly high standard, was a professional musician for years, did much session work and have released 3 solo albums. Please do not make such brash statements without first establishing the credentials of the person you are attempting to denegrate.

[Madidus_Scientia]

You obviously have been brainwashed DoctorBeaver as you believe it is the cancer killing you, when it is actually the organized pharmaceutical establishment!

[DoctorBeaver]

You obviously have been brainwashed DoctorBeaver as you believe it is the cancer killing you, when it is actually the organized pharmaceutical establishment!

Oh, of course. Why didn't I see that long ago. How silly of me. By not taking the drugs I'm displaying how badly they have brainwashed me and succumbing to their evil plan to rid the world of me!

[rosy]

Hmm, seems to me the principle learning point from the whole miserable business is that people don't stop being themselves just because they've got a terminal illness. Never having had the slightest interest in Ms Goody hitherto, I'm shooting in the dark a bit here, but my impression of her (gleaned mainly from BBC Radio 4 news bulletins), both previously and at present, is that she's got little or no natural reticence (which is fine, but I wouldn't want to have to have anything to do with her) and her current wretched situation hasn't changed that. I am, however, mildly intrigued by her decision to be so public with her current trials.
She's always exploited the media to be where she wants to be (in the public eye, apparently, no accounting for people...) and she's still doing it. Her motives in wanting to provide the maximum financial support for her kids are admirable, and I see no reason not to take them at face value, although I do rather doubt her judgement on this one.

My father (who was 16 when his dad died of smoking-related illnesses) told my sister and me (both in our early teens at the time, so at least 25 years after the event) that if he ever thought we'd taken to smoking he'd tell us, in detail, about our grandfather's death, I find the whole thing a bit mystifying. Even saying that much to us clearly distressed him significantly.. I really don't think that if I were a teenager growing up without a mum, as her kids will be in a few years time, I'd want to be confronted with the current coverage the first time I plugged my mother's name into google (or whatever the top search engine is by that point - which they inevitably will at some point). On the other hand, she's their mum, she wants to do what's best for them, and maybe if they're her kids it won't have the same effect on them as it would have done on me.

And... NobodySavedMe... you may be a sincere paranoid lunatic, you may  be a paranoid lunatic genuinely distressed by the inevitable demise of Ms Goody/Mrs Tweed, but you are still a paranoid lunatic and you still need to get a grip and accept that the pharmaceutical companies, whilst they may not always be 100% scrupulous really are not actively out to kill people. Nor are the doctors who prescribe these drugs. (Sorry John Chapman and MakeItLady, but have you read any of NSM's other posts? This isn't just about Goody.)

[Make it Lady]

So you are saying that my husband, who works for Shire Pharmaceuticals, is responsible for killing Dr Beaver.
Ask all the women who were able to take a cancer drug instead of having their breast removed if the pharmaceutical industry is a bad thing. Ask people who have had an operation and had no ill effects from the anesthetic if Diprovan is a terrible drug. I mention the last two because I worked on them. When I was working on them I wasn't rubbing my hands together shouting " this will kill some more sickly bastards" I was thinking "This is such a great drug, lets make it even better."

[John Chapman]

Hi Rosy

Yes I have read some of NobodySavedMe's other posts, although not until after I had posted my comments above. I'm the new boy here, so I don't want to swim against the tide of popular opinion. But I've always believed that if a person is feeling genuine grief then it needs to be treated appropriately. It doesn't matter if it is misguided or even delusional. Grief is grief. If your grief is undermined by everybody else then you cannot share it. If you are continually having to justify your grief then this changes the perspective from which you see it and that stops you coming to terms with it.

By the way, should I not ask why his username is NobodySavedMe?

[Chemistry4me]

By the way, should I not ask why his username is NobodySavedMe?

NobodySavedMe = Jade Goody [][][]
Were you on Big Brother NobodySavedMe?

[NobodySavedMe (OP)]

She has made more money then you or me...

Are you sure of that?

...and shows she has hidden smarts.{/quote]

A good publicist (Max Clifford), you mean. Without him she would still be a nobody.

I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.

You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment.

I haven't failed to save myself yet because I am still alive. I have declined chemo because it is largely ineffective against the type of cancer I have and would serve only to make me feel worse. I am looking at numerous alternative therapies and I can assure you (and if you knew me you would already know this) that I have in no way been brainwashed.

Incidentally, I have more talent in my little finger than Ms Goody has in her entire body. I am a qualified piano teacher, acheived grade 7 on guitar, can play numerous other instruments to a fairly high standard, was a professional musician for years, did much session work and have released 3 solo albums. Please do not make such brash statements without first establishing the credentials of the person you are attempting to denegrate.

Denergrate?

i was expressing remorse at your self confessed expected demise.yet you abuse me.why?

maybe you feel better being part of the majority group and ganging up on me.if it make you feel better please continue.

quote :-"i have declined chemo because it is largely ineffective against the type of cancer I have and would serve only to make me feel worse".

you never mentioned this in your last post.are we expected to guess your previous actions?

ok so you have made more money then jade goody so why rub shoulders with us commoners?

Why are you not out playing golf and counting your gold bars with the ex-boss of hbos and the other banking robbers?

Cancer survival rates are hugely fraudulent.Just are just like the accounts of HBOS and other banks were when Lloyds took them over.Full of manipulation designed to hide the truth.

The terrible thing about cancer survival rates is that they have stayed the same yet the figures have been manipulated to show "improvement".

[Madidus_Scientia]

you never mentioned this in your last post.are we expected to guess your previous actions?

He's not expecting anyone to guess anything, if you read his other thread or asked perhaps he would have told you. You assumed:

I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.

[Madidus_Scientia]

i was expressing remorse at your self confessed expected demise.yet you abuse me.why?

So, you call this remorse:

I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.

You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment

Your way of showing remorse is to tell him its his own fault he's dieing of cancer, that he could have avoided it, and finally accuse him of being brainwashed?

[Make it Lady]

Come on Nobodysavedme, My husband works for a pharma company and I used to. Here is your chance to have a go at the research I did and the drugs my husband licenses from universities and research companies for his company. I notice you didn't answer my previous post. It is easy to criticise a big faceless organisation but when you are talking to a real person who worked hard to improve peoples lives, it is not so easy, is it.

[NobodySavedMe (OP)]

Come on Nobodysavedme, My husband works for a pharma company and I used to. Here is your chance to have a go at the research I did and the drugs my husband licenses from universities and research companies for his company. I notice you didn't answer my previous post. It is easy to criticise a big faceless organisation but when you are talking to a real person who worked hard to improve peoples lives, it is not so easy, is it.

ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.

Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.

Happy now?

[Bored chemist]

ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.

Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.

Happy now?

You do realise that you are, in fact, the only one to have mentioned them don't you?

That's not even a straw man argument; it's just nonsense.

[NobodySavedMe (OP)]

ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.

Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.

Happy now?

You do realise that you are, in fact, the only one to have mentioned them don't you?

That's not even a straw man argument; it's just nonsense.

i quote MakeItlady again...

"Ask people who have had an operation and had no ill effects from the anesthetic if Diprovan is a terrible drug. I mention the last two because I worked on them..."

SCROLL BACK TO HER POSTS.

why i she mentioning anthestics?

why?

i never mentioned anethestics.

[DoctorBeaver]

NobodySavedMe - My apologies. I thought I read in your post that you were inferring Jade Goody had more talent than I & it was at that statement I directed my response. Have you perchance edited your post to remove it?

[Bored chemist]

Sorry about that I'm blaming the search function which didn't find the word.
Anyway, there's nothing special about anaesthetics. You seem to be convinced that all drugs are an atempt by evil pharmaceuticals companies to poison innocent people.
"She even showed that she was bald,thanks to the horrible doctors giving her money making poisons to boost the profits of fruadulent pharmaceutical companies who charge it to the NHS budget."

"You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment."

BTW, Jade made a lot more money than me; so have lots of lottery winners. Is "guessing the right numbers" some sort of skill?

[NobodySavedMe (OP)]

Sorry about that I'm blaming the search function which didn't find the word.
Anyway, there's nothing special about anaesthetics. You seem to be convinced that all drugs are an atempt by evil pharmaceuticals companies to poison innocent people.
"She even showed that she was bald,thanks to the horrible doctors giving her money making poisons to boost the profits of fruadulent pharmaceutical companies who charge it to the NHS budget."

"You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment."

BTW, Jade made a lot more money than me; so have lots of lottery winners. Is "guessing the right numbers" some sort of skill?

Jade Goody got married yesterday.I am so happy for her.200 celebrities attended her fantastic wedding.She had to be given painkillers before the wedding showing her steely determination and showing her determination against all odds.


The fact is the official cancer survival rates are fraudulent ...just like the accounts of the banks that have gone under...they are designed to hide the truth,
to hoodwink you,to trick you.Remember how Lloyds Bank was tricked by HBOS.

Hbos cleverly concealed at $15 billion hole in its accounts which Lloyds even after a month could not detect using its smartest accountants.

Big Pharma uses even more clever tricks to fool you.

Of course you don't want to admit you have been fooled.



example:-

in 1980 gullible joe has cancer detected at 06/06/80.he dies on 301280.

you got that?

20 years later new technology has improved cancer detection at an earlier stage.

in year 2000 gullible joe's son has same cancer detected earlier on on 01/01/00.he dies on 30/12/00.

doctors says with glee we have doubled cancer survival rates due to this drug (i.e.money making toxic poison) we gave you.

gullible joe's gullible son is delighted and praises the doctors at the extra 6 months!
 
doctor says to himself "one born every minute..what a mug".

can you understand that?    

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[DoctorBeaver]

I'm pleased for Jade Goody that she managed to get married, but what's the big deal about 200 celebrities turning up for the wedding? I'd rather have a handful of real friends there who actually care more about me than they do about getting their faces plastered all over the redtop newspapers & on TV.

And despite the sentiment behind your little story about Joe Gullible, the fact is that more people are now surviving cancer for longer than was the case just a few decades ago. My nan died of cancer in the 1960s and in those days just about any type of cancer was a death sentence. Cancer still has that kind of stigma attached to it in the public mind (Most people, when told they have cancer, still have an initial reaction of "I'm going to die") even though survival rates for a lot of cancers are significantly better. (Incidentally, my first thought was "I can get through this" before I was told what type of cancer I've got. I still believe all is not lost even though the prognosis for mesothelioma is very poor.)