[demadone]

I don't believe the trinity. It obviously was coined outside the bible.
Many will refer to John 1:1 but in Greek it reads:
'In the beginning was [the] word and that [the] word was with [the] God, and that [the] word was God'
The presence of a definite article [the] always means the actual subject and the absence of the definite article means something like.

So the verse literary reads: 'In the beginning was the word and that word was with God, and that word was Godlike'

[Titanscape]

The Bible is a relational book, not theological, there is no, "demi-god", "Trinity", "Modes"...

I have read and can pass on a Brilliant 11 page essay by Alan Morrison on the Trinity as revealed in the scriptures. Particularly for modalists. The Blessed Three In One.

The idea is there is one god, in three persons, each is god.

[Raghavendra]

Interesting to read.... I like it?

[demadone]

So Titan, are you saying there is a trinity?

[allien]

I am not familiar with trinity. Could someone explain it shortly for me?

What is Holly Spirit? what does he do specially to be a God?

Why Jesus must be a God?

Holly Spirit and Jesus are independent from God? Or they are peoples that is given extra properties from God?

Which God spoke with Moses?

Which one do not need any others to be exsist?

In jugment day, if three of them were disagree about something, what will be the last decission? Who is the boss?

[demadone]

Allien. There is no evidence in the holy scriptures to support the trinity. I'm sure if it exists, then God would make sure to tell us. More importantly, Jesus was created. So which means that God does not need a trinity in order for him to exist. Only God is the boss.

[lyner]

It always amazes me how people seem to want such concrete explanations for something which is, clearly, (if it exists at all) far beyond the comprehension of any human.
I am not a believer but, if it is all true, it's going to be way harder than QM, even. The notion that we could put it in a box is the height of arrogance.

[mcgiverofthegarden]

Did anyone see The Life of Brian?

Wasn't it based directly on the bible?
"he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

'Life of Brian' was not directly related to the bible at all, Jesus you remember was in the story. Really 'Life of Brian' was a black comedy which looked at the different cults and groups that existed in Israel at the time of Jesus.

I am catholic but i have a hard time believing in Jesus. When he made the blind man see the blind man probably wasn't blind to start with and was helping Jesus in his con. either that or the people who wrote the bible just made it all up.(there are many contradictions in the bible)

In terms of magic and Jesus, surely as a Catholic, you should know that it's an issue of faith, not magic. I think you should reread the catechise.

[mcgiverofthegarden]

Moving to something more tangable.

I would like to look at Jesus' life, death and resurrection.

It is claimed by the Church and his followers that through these acts Jesus defeated Evil and won victory for good, by destroying the root of evil.

Now what is the root of evil? The root stems all the way back to the garden of Eden and the Original sin. Which was to eat the apple, but really was that the sin? I would argue that actually the sin was to doubt Gods love, and with that doubt to look for safety, the snake inspired this doubt, as no doubt the snake also felt it- that god might not love me or maybe it was a jealousy that 'God might love you more than me'. Either way all three fall, Adam and Eve doubt Gods love even in Eden, so you can how easy it must be for people on earth to do so.

This is the root of all evil, the doubt of gods love, for god is love.

Jesus defeats this evil by coming and showing us, continually in his life, on the cross and even after his resurrection, that God does love us, all of us.

1 John 4 "not that we loved god, but that god loves us"

Some argue that Jesus defeated death this day, but how could he have, the after life was already there, Jesus meets Moses if you remember, on the mountain with Elijah, long after they have both passed away or risen. Although he does show the afterlife with his resurrection, I say his victory is one of proving Gods love.

[cedar_tree]

I like the president, good news that a catholic has questioned a branch of religion like a good racist.

in God you trust is the issue here or we all die fighting! 

[mcgiverofthegarden]

                          MOVING ON.....

Have you all seen it yet?

God says "If you eat the fruit you shall die"

and the serpent says "if you eat the fruit you will not die"

And Adam and Eve eat the fruit and don't die. So does that mean god was wrong? NO.

When the serpent says you won't die he means- you will not stop existing. When God says you will die he means, death to true life, a death to the kingdom of heaven.

And there, Adam and Eve did die to the kingdom of heaven.

So Jesus came to bring us back, for he is the way the truth and the life. The true life, the gate to the sheepfold. And in that sense the Church is correct, he does destroy death in spiritual terms, and brings us life in spiritual terms.

And I say that death is not the root of all evil, the root is the doubt of Gods love.

[mcgiverofthegarden]

                   
       I would just like to add something else I have learnt over the past few years

Humility,

Humility really calls us to raise others, not to lower ourselves, for a worm shows no thanks to God for being made a man, and this is expressed most profoundly when Jesus washes the feet of his disciples, for he denies nothing of what he is when he does so.

                            to finish

                    Our father who art in heaven
                        holy be your name
                        your kingdom come
                        your will be done
                      on earth as it is in heaven....

      God bless you and keep you all, your friend as always,

                                Jolly
 

[Bored chemist]

Would it be raising you to explain the difference between a scienctific forum and a religious one?

[mcgiverofthegarden]

Would it be raising you to explain the difference between a scientific forum and a religious one?

I always thought science was about the search for truth. Originally, all science belonged to realm of philosophy, or have we forgoten? Scientists (tut), your always reductionist.

But as another question, what would Adam and Eve have done if God had allowed them to stay in the garden of Eden, with their new found ignorance?

Well what have the sons of Adam done here on earth? How many forms of life have gone extinct because we were scared of them, or hunted them for sport? Not even considering the mass destruction we cause in the pursuit of wealth.

I think it was an Incan that said "when all the land is desert and all the rivers are poisoned man will realise, you can't eat money"

Give the most stupid a park to look after for a week, and it'll be a desert by Wednesday.

Doesn't have to happen. Gandhi- Commerce without morality, a deadly sin.

the rest of Gandhi' seven deadly sins are as follows:

Wealth without work

Pleasure without conscience

Religion without sacrifice

Knowledge without character

Politics without principle

And the one probably most important for this forum

Science without humanity
 

[DrN]

Science is most certainly the search for truth.

Religion, however, requires faith by its very nature. To prove or disprove the existence of God would make faith irrelevant.

[mcgiverofthegarden]

Science is most certainly the search for truth.

Religion, however, requires faith by its very nature. To prove or disprove the existence of God would make faith irrelevant.

Not necessarily for the opposite of faith is fear, and there are many faithful that hold that.

Want some maths?

0 + 0 = 0

[BenV]

Science is most certainly the search for truth.

Religion, however, requires faith by its very nature. To prove or disprove the existence of God would make faith irrelevant.

Not necessarily for the opposite of faith is fear, and there are many faithful that hold that.

Want some maths?

0 + 0 = 0

The opposite of faith is not fear - unless you have a strange definition of either faith or fear.

[Madidus_Scientia]

Perhaps the faithful indeed fear the implications of a universe without their god, hence why they remain faithful in the face of reason.

[lyner]

Perhaps we are at a watershed in the development of humans. We have got this far. Society has regulated itself fairly successfully on the basis of religions - inventions of the subconscious which arrived by evolution. With the exceptions of an 'elite' few thinkers, humans are governed, ultimately, by some form of faith.
Along comes Science and starts to point this out, dispassionately. The rug is being drawn smartly out from under our feet. People are trying to hang on to the rug but Pandora's box can't be shut again, once opened (to mix a couple of metaphors). I can only hope that rationality will be as successful as faith for our future. I have my doubts.

[_Stefan_]

Since people actually pick and choose which parts of their religion to believe and/or uphold, it's clear that morality is a function of culture and innate processes rather than of religion.