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I sort of tried to highlight those phrases and words that might not be entirely commendable scientifically. Surely it is in the interests of good science to test ALL foundational concepts. And, equally, surely nothing is better than a really good question? Here's mine. Why NOT build the circuit? And why NOT test it?
I don't want to argue. I want ENTIRE CONSENSUS for my exotic logic.
Quote from: witsend on 15/06/2009 23:45:16 but using a tuned circuit for air conditioner motors has saved many billions already. We went a lot of years without that tuned capacitor in the circuit. Now days, the wrong size capacitor will cause the motor to overheat.So, it is possible you may have some efficiency gain by coupling inductive kick back into the battery powering a circuit. In my experience it will always be less energy than it took to charge the inductor.
Quote from: witsendI sort of tried to highlight those phrases and words that might not be entirely commendable scientifically. Surely it is in the interests of good science to test ALL foundational concepts. And, equally, surely nothing is better than a really good question? Here's mine. Why NOT build the circuit? And why NOT test it?All the foundational concepts involved in this circuit have been tested over and over again many thousands of times. No one has ever noticed anything unusual about them. [] We can't get into the particulars of it because you claim ignorance of the concepts. You can not be convinced that it does not work and we can not be convinced that there is any chance that it can work.
I have not tought about it at all. Are you implying that the capacitor lowers the kilowatt hours? The watthour meter only measures the in phase component. Therefore the capacitor will not help reduce the in phase component. Therefore the capacitor helps with starting only. What is your opinion?
if the little gadget were real I would expect that you would have them all around your house as battery chargers. You would use only rechargeable batteries and soon power the whole household with them. Growing out of that you might install power inverters and supply power to the power grid. VernTHAT's the truth. There are many engineers who have seen this and - to the best of my knowledge - none of them is exploiting it. And I certainly can't. I don't know how to. One fellow did - some 10 years ago. He also held a demo for a whole lot of people, to show it. Bernard Bulak. Sadly he isn't with us any more. But Brian Buckley built my circuit And the circuit for ABB. He's demonstrated it ad nauseum - and again. To the best of my knowledge he is also not using it. There's an academic on another forum who claims he is using it. But I can't comment as I haven't seen it in operation.
Quote from: jerrygg38I have not tought about it at all. Are you implying that the capacitor lowers the kilowatt hours? The watthour meter only measures the in phase component. Therefore the capacitor will not help reduce the in phase component. Therefore the capacitor helps with starting only. What is your opinion?It actually reduces the KWH. The capacitor is selected so that it is in resonance with the motor coil when the motor is producing its rated output. I had never looked into this until we installed a new air conditioner for the house a few years ago. The capacitor was bad so the installer used another capacitor. The motor then ran hot. I kept a water hose trickling on it until the correct capacitor was finally installed. Then all was well.The motor started Okay with the wrong capacitor; it just ran hot. When not cooled the thermal cut out shut it down within five minutes.
That settles it. We now know the whole story. It is a Bernie Madoff con game. The people who you are involved with got the ideas from con men. It is all about money. It is all about making sukers out of investors.It has nothing to do with science or Engineering. It is a pure con game.Jerrygg38I'd agree with you if any of us actually tried to make money out of this. It at least would then have a real justified application.
What brand air conditioner. I have the carrier. I had to replace the motor electronics recently. It is very expensive. Carrier has a variable speed motor which constantly changes speed. If you have a carrier AC then it is a special motor. In general most of the window AC have simple motors. Therefore the results you had may be due to the expensive special motors and not to the general AC motors.
Two basic types are used in electric motor: 1) Run capacitors are rated in a range of 3-70 microfarad (mfd). Run capacitors are also rated by voltage classification. The voltage classifications are 370V and 440V. Capacitors with ratings above 70 microfarad (mfd) are starting capacitors. Run capacitors are designed for continuous duty, and are energized the entire time the motor is running. Single phase electric motors need a capacitor to energize a second phase winding. This is why sizing is so critical. If the wrong run capacitor is installed, the motor will not have an even magnetic field. This will cause the rotor to hesitate at those spots that are uneven. This hesitation will cause the motor to become noisy, increase energy consumption, cause performance to drop, and cause the motor to overheat. 2) Starting capacitors are housed in a black plastic case and have a mfd range as opposed to a specific mfd rating on run capacitors. Start capacitors (ratings of 70 microfared or higher) have three voltage classifications: 125V, 250V, and 330V. Examples would be a 35 mfd at 370V run capacitor and an 88-108 mfd at 250V start capacitor. Start capacitors increase motor starting torque and allow a motor to be cycled on and off rapidly. Start capacitors are designed for momentary use. Start capacitors stay energized long enough to rapidly bring the motor to 3/4 of full speed and are then taken out of the circuit.
So the question is why does W believe that she can contribute something to this very complex field filled with the most brilliant of people? My reason is an encounter with an intelligence field. What could hers be???Jerrygg38 I want to hear more about this experience of yours. But I think that BenV and - more to the point Sophiecentaur will object to any such discussion in a science forum. Can you please tell us about it - and then point out where the thread is? I think it's allowed in the Chat section, or some such. I also want to know about that dream of 5 dimensions. It sounds amazing. Where did you post that thread? EDIT Sorry. I should have said which thread did you post that in? EDIT In fact, for any language purists, I should have said 'in which thread did you post it'? QuoteI used to discuss such things on various religious and philosophical groups. If you want a copy of my "Aliens within Us" just email me your address and I will send you a copy. You could also buy it from Amazon. It is down to $1 per copy plus postage. I gave all of them away. My Doppler Space Time sold pretty good but my Aliens only sold very few. Most I sent to Libraries for free and they ended up at Amazon.com or the grabage can. The problem with religion and philosophy is that it is based upon the experiences of people thousands of years ago. Thus ignorance and superstition became religious dogma. In general I believe in a spiritual force. This is my God. However I am not convinced that this spiritual force has anything to do with the religions of man. All I can say is that God is the God of all religions. God is the creative force of the Universe. The big problem with religious discussions is that the interaction evidence is extremely subjective. How can one tell if one is speaking to God or to ones own inner mind? Thousands of years ago people heard voices and believed it to be God. Now we know that the voices we hear come from our own minds. So all the religious leaders of the past experienced periods of insanity in which they believed they were communicating with God. I have experienced such things as well. The only question I have is the possibility that various people pick up spiritual energy or data and then convert this data into words or visions. The data could be true or false. That is the problem. I pick up data and then I study it. Therefore I study my own hallucinations. The religious data is always suspect because it depends upon the individuals upbringing and history. Some data may be passed on our genes or within the womb. Such data may make some people happy but it is tainted data. Since I cannot correlate my data with any scientific experimental data, in the end I must cease attempting to understand such things. Therefore at 70 years old, I must say that I do not know what lies ahead. And finally I no longer care. Since I continually fail in my scientific theories and must continually revise them, how could I possibly succeed in philosophy and religion?
I used to discuss such things on various religious and philosophical groups. If you want a copy of my "Aliens within Us" just email me your address and I will send you a copy. You could also buy it from Amazon. It is down to $1 per copy plus postage. I gave all of them away. My Doppler Space Time sold pretty good but my Aliens only sold very few. Most I sent to Libraries for free and they ended up at Amazon.com or the grabage can. The problem with religion and philosophy is that it is based upon the experiences of people thousands of years ago. Thus ignorance and superstition became religious dogma. In general I believe in a spiritual force. This is my God. However I am not convinced that this spiritual force has anything to do with the religions of man. All I can say is that God is the God of all religions. God is the creative force of the Universe. The big problem with religious discussions is that the interaction evidence is extremely subjective. How can one tell if one is speaking to God or to ones own inner mind? Thousands of years ago people heard voices and believed it to be God. Now we know that the voices we hear come from our own minds. So all the religious leaders of the past experienced periods of insanity in which they believed they were communicating with God. I have experienced such things as well. The only question I have is the possibility that various people pick up spiritual energy or data and then convert this data into words or visions. The data could be true or false. That is the problem. I pick up data and then I study it. Therefore I study my own hallucinations. The religious data is always suspect because it depends upon the individuals upbringing and history. Some data may be passed on our genes or within the womb. Such data may make some people happy but it is tainted data. Since I cannot correlate my data with any scientific experimental data, in the end I must cease attempting to understand such things. Therefore at 70 years old, I must say that I do not know what lies ahead. And finally I no longer care. Since I continually fail in my scientific theories and must continually revise them, how could I possibly succeed in philosophy and religion?
Quote from: jerrygg38What brand air conditioner. I have the carrier. I had to replace the motor electronics recently. It is very expensive. Carrier has a variable speed motor which constantly changes speed. If you have a carrier AC then it is a special motor. In general most of the window AC have simple motors. Therefore the results you had may be due to the expensive special motors and not to the general AC motors.Here's a web site that explains the run capacitor a little bit. I think it misses the point that the capacitor size must make a tuned circuit of the motor-capacitor under load.QuoteI assume you mean a parallel tuned circuit. A series tuned circuit would be a short circuit. I guess we can return to the theory that the inductive current will resonant with the capacitor and reduce the total current draw. this may reduce the motor current. Therefore it reduces the coil heat somewhat. The problem is that a fairly large capacitor is necessary. So I guess what happends is that the efficiency of the motor goes up because some of the inductive energy flows into the capacitor and returns to the motor. In all the small room AC I have bought, they only have a tiny capacitor.
I assume you mean a parallel tuned circuit. A series tuned circuit would be a short circuit. I guess we can return to the theory that the inductive current will resonant with the capacitor and reduce the total current draw. this may reduce the motor current. Therefore it reduces the coil heat somewhat. The problem is that a fairly large capacitor is necessary. So I guess what happends is that the efficiency of the motor goes up because some of the inductive energy flows into the capacitor and returns to the motor. In all the small room AC I have bought, they only have a tiny capacitor.
Once you said that BB demonstrated this to a large group of people, that to me means Con Game. the originator was trying to make money. You are just an innocent victim of this con game. Jerrygg38I AM the originator.
I assume you mean a parallel tuned circuit. A series tuned circuit would be a short circuit. I guess we can return to the theory that the inductive current will resonant with the capacitor and reduce the total current draw. this may reduce the motor current. Therefore it reduces the coil heat somewhat. The problem is that a fairly large capacitor is necessary.
Quote from: jerrygg38I assume you mean a parallel tuned circuit. A series tuned circuit would be a short circuit. I guess we can return to the theory that the inductive current will resonant with the capacitor and reduce the total current draw. this may reduce the motor current. Therefore it reduces the coil heat somewhat. The problem is that a fairly large capacitor is necessary.Yes; the capacitor is parallel with the motor winding. The starter capacitor is a different lead on the same capacitor. It is a big capacitor; about a third the size of the motor.I only brought up the electric-motor capacitor because there are lots of folks who think they can get over-unity out of tuning the motor circuit. I am not one of them[]
Quote from: witsend on 16/06/2009 14:53:56Once you said that BB demonstrated this to a large group of people, that to me means Con Game. the originator was trying to make money. You are just an innocent victim of this con game. Jerrygg38I AM the originator. I am sorry. All your associates are incompetant or ignorant or both. There is no other explanation. Alternatively you are the talking coconut person reincarnated. You just want to talk for the sake of talking. Sorry but if they cannot be blamed then it is your fault. Perhaps they do not exist. Both your first person had BB initials and the last person BB initials. Perhaps you made them both up.