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How did a worm get inside an egg?
« Reply #20 on: 25/09/2009 11:38:40 »
Of course chickens have not always been chickens due to evolution. I am not disputing this.

But for as long as chickens have been chickens, they have been laying chicken eggs. No female chicken has ever reproduced without producing a chicken egg. That is what I mean by "chickens have always laid eggs".

As I see it, the paradox is resolved by the fact that the first chicken egg was laid by the first chicken, and the first chicken hatched from the egg of its pre-chicken ancestor(which would have differed only imperceptably from a chicken). So the chicken came before the chicken egg, but eggs in general have been around for much longer.
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« Reply #21 on: 25/09/2009 20:21:47 »
Quote from: _Stefan_ on 25/09/2009 11:38:40
Of course chickens have not always been chickens due to evolution. I am not disputing this.

But for as long as chickens have been chickens, they have been laying chicken eggs. No female chicken has ever reproduced without producing a chicken egg. That is what I mean by "chickens have always laid eggs".

As I see it, the paradox is resolved by the fact that the first chicken egg was laid by the first chicken, and the first chicken hatched from the egg of its pre-chicken ancestor(which would have differed only imperceptably from a chicken). So the chicken came before the chicken egg, but eggs in general have been around for much longer.
Look where i bolded. What makes you think this shouldn't be the case anyway?

The chicken will always lay an egg now, because that is how its genes have told it to reproduce itself. The chicken- egg paradox escapes the idea that there was some change where an ancestor mutated into an egg-producing organism.

Quite simple really.
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« Reply #22 on: 26/09/2009 04:57:56 »
I don't think I understand what your point is.

The bold part is in response to what you said earlier, "The chicken could not have always laid eggs."

All vertebrates have reproduced by the production of egg cells since before vertebrates first evolved. Some of those vertebrates lay their egg cells as eggs, for example fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and monotremes. The immediate ancestors of chickens (Gallus gallus domesticus), were Asian Jungle Fowl (genus Gallus), which laid eggs. The first chicken did not hatch from a chicken egg, it hatched from an Asian Jungle Fowl egg.

From all this we can say that eggs in general (i.e. non-chicken eggs) came before chickens.
We can also say that chickens came before chicken eggs, because chicken eggs can only be produced by chickens.

There is no paradox when these details are considered.
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« Reply #23 on: 27/09/2009 01:51:00 »
Well, i'm not going on about this forever. My point was that evolution sufficed for many different pradoxes, like the chicken and the egg one.
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