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It is against ebay rules because they have to protect their buyers. that's all.
So burglary is just against the rules to protect the property owners...Cheating on your taxes is just against the rules to protect all the other tax payers.Murder is just against the rules to protect the murder victims...
Surely this statement indicates that it is immoral. The rules that everyone is playing to assume that people don't bid up their own auctions.
If bidding up your own auctions increases the price things sell for, then you are breaking the rules of the game for your own financial gain. If it wasn't against the rules then it wouldn't be immoral.
t is exactly the same as photoshopping the photos of it, you are giving the impression that it is a more valuable item than it actually is.
what it is worth is to do with what other people are willing to pay for it.
I am yet to find legislation that states "Ebay members must not bid up their auctions" You cannot make a poor comparison like that!! Laws are based on what is beneficial for the majority, and those are usually what society accepts as morals.
No it indicates you have compared what is actually law and the rules of an auction site. What about putting a house up for sale with 5K over what it's worth, just because you know a buyer will try and bring you down a bit, is that immoral?
Or how about telling the buyer you have had other offers when you haven't just to make them more keen or get them to offer more money??
It is not a game, it is an online auction site.  Rules to not equate morality, I am not quite sure where you are getting that idea from.
Yes it is called business. It goes on all the time in various areas of society, does not mean it is morally wrong. As I have stated, no one is required to buy anything, if you buy something 2nd hand without seeing it, you take a risk, we all know that. If we get stung then Ebay rules are there to help, although how effective they are is another matter.
No, that's not right. By definition, what an item is worth to you is what YOU are willing to pay for it. If someone was incredibly thirsty and therefore prepared to pay £10.00 for a can of coke would you then be willing to pay the same?
Next you will be saying that writing a cleverly worded and attractive ebay description is immoral because it would make one product appear to be more valuable than an identical product being sold by someone who hasn't described it well. Do you believe that all clever and creative marketing is immoral?
There is nothing special about legislation, it is just a series of rules that we agree to live by. Just like rules we agree to use ebay by. Morally if anything the ebay rules are more important as you have entered an agreement to live by them when you sign up.
This is not lying it is just part of getting a higher price.
This is lying, and yes arguably fraud, and definitely immoral
k then you are breaking the rules of the site for your own financial gain, what on earth is the difference? It is immoral because if noone does it then everyone will be better off and happier. By breaking them you are making someone else less well off and yourself better off by lying. How is making yourself better off by lying and breaking the rules not immoral?
Why can it not morally wrong if it is a common business practice? Slavery was a common business practice for thousands of years, and I hope you agree that was immoral.
I have also just discovered that in the UK shill bidding (on your own items) is actually illegal, and is sometimes prosecuted
So. If it's archived somewhere, why not put it back.
My understanding is that the original question mentioned the shill bidding thing in passing as incidental, background information. He stated that the ebay contravention had been about 3 years ago and that, since then, he had no interest in selling anything on ebay. Until today none of us realised that this WAS a criminal offense. It was a technical question about computer IP addresses and personal identifying information held online.
Since we now do all know that shill bidding is illegal (in many jurisdictions, and crucially that within which TNS operates), it would hardly be in line with forum policy to reinstate the original post now, would it?
Even if, to take a view not informed by benefit of hindsight, the removal of the post wasn't the correct reaction, that is now a moot point since the forum rules are very clear about not encouraging people to do things which are illegal.
If you want to know the answer to the question you have only to post it, shorn of any suggestion that you are planning to use the information you obtain to commit an offence, back in the appropriate area in the forum.
Your understanding is a misunderstanding. Even if that is what the original poster meant, it was not what the original post said.
Last night I posted a question about computer IP addresses, ie what are they and what do they identify? I confessed that 2 or 3 years ago during a brief flirtation with selling things on ebay I once got caught bidding on one of my own items using two ebay accounts. Ever since then ebay has somehow known who I am and every six months or so shuts my present account just as I am building up a good feedback score as a buyer. I wondered how they knew. I have used different email addresses, primary home addresses, and have even changed my computer a couple of times during this period.On my missing thread someone suggested that they should not answer the question as it would encourage me to ‘scam’ people on ebay. Of course this is ridiculous and, in any case, I have no real interest in selling on ebay. It was far more trouble than it was worth and the real scammers in my opinion are ebay and PayPal (who are owned by ebay) who between them take about 10 or 15%.When I got up this morning my emails are telling me that I have had replies but do not tell me what they are. The thread is gone and seems to have been deleted. But I have no messages telling me why.Have the ebay police got to this site? Has some ebay fan been offended that I was once caught bidding against myself on ebay and had me banned. Has something else happened on the thread while I was in bed which I have no knowledge about? Why would anyone delete my question but not tell me why?
Hi RosyI don't think we are ever going to see eye to eye on this one. But for what it's worth that was a very well structured and diplomatic reply. And you managed to not go completely ballistic on me, which is a common reaction I get from women. [8D]Will you marry me?
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