The Naked Scientists
  • Login
  • Register
  • Podcasts
      • The Naked Scientists
      • eLife
      • Naked Genetics
      • Naked Astronomy
      • In short
      • Naked Neuroscience
      • Ask! The Naked Scientists
      • Question of the Week
      • Archive
      • Video
      • SUBSCRIBE to our Podcasts
  • Articles
      • Science News
      • Features
      • Interviews
      • Answers to Science Questions
  • Get Naked
      • Donate
      • Do an Experiment
      • Science Forum
      • Ask a Question
  • About
      • Meet the team
      • Our Sponsors
      • Site Map
      • Contact us

User menu

  • Login
  • Register
  • Home
  • Help
  • Search
  • Tags
  • Recent Topics
  • Login
  • Register
  1. Naked Science Forum
  2. Non Life Sciences
  3. Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology
  4. How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« previous next »
  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Down

How does my oxygen-producing machine work?

  • 12 Replies
  • 23056 Views
  • 0 Tags

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline DoctorBeaver (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 12653
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 4 times
  • A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« on: 04/10/2009 02:38:46 »
Due to my medical condition I have had to have a machine installed in my home that produces oxygen. It's free-standing and uses ordinary air as the input. Oxygen is then pumped to the mask I wear. What does it do to the air to produce that lovely oxygen I breathe to get my lungs working again?
Logged
 



Offline The Craftsman

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • 10
  • Activity:
    0%
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #1 on: 04/10/2009 03:08:47 »
It uses a pressure swing adsorbtion to filter out the nitrogen from ambient air.

heres a link to the wiki with some more technical details
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator [nofollow]
Logged
 

Offline DoctorBeaver (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 12653
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 4 times
  • A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #2 on: 04/10/2009 03:26:30 »
Thank you, Craftsman. So what I'm getting is not pure oxygen. Rather, it's just air with the nitrogen taken out.
Logged
 

Offline The Craftsman

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • 10
  • Activity:
    0%
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #3 on: 04/10/2009 15:22:21 »
Pretty much.  Those machines are typically referred to as oxygen concentrators, which is a solid description of what they do.  Depending on brand and settings you're getting somewhere between 50-95% O2 in contrast to sea level ambient air which has about 20% O2. 

Even the bottled stuff isn't "pure oxygen" but rather high concentrated oxygen, around 95%.  Its made with the same technology you have at home just with an industrial size machine, pressurized into bottles and shipped.  For the most part pure oxygen has few uses outside industrial applications. 

"Pure oxygen" is unnecessary for treatment of respiratory problems.  Your lungs absorb nitrogen as well as oxygen, so with an oxygen treatment the O2 is increased and Nitrogen decreased to correlate to the loss of respiratory function, and your body gets the O2 it needs.
Logged
 

Offline Bored chemist

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 31101
  • Activity:
    10.5%
  • Thanked: 1291 times
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #4 on: 04/10/2009 16:08:14 »
I'm not sure about these.
"Even the bottled stuff isn't "pure oxygen" but rather high concentrated oxygen, around 95%."
and
"Its made with the same technology you have at home just with an industrial size machine, pressurized into bottles and shipped.  "
My elderly copy of the pharmacopoeia says that medical oxygen has to be >99% (with the balance argon, nitrogen or hydrogen).
Also I think most industrial plants still rely on distilation to make pure oxygenn, rather than PSA.
Logged
Please disregard all previous signatures.
 



Offline The Craftsman

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • 10
  • Activity:
    0%
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #5 on: 04/10/2009 17:14:01 »
You're absolutely right.  I was generalizing when I shouldn't have.  Medical grade is 99% and made through distillation in large quantities.  The lower grade stuff is typically done locally by PSA.  I honestly don't know which is more prevalent, my experience is just with the PSA stuff (experiential bias, it happens).  Thanks for the correction.
Logged
 

Offline DoctorBeaver (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 12653
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 4 times
  • A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #6 on: 04/10/2009 17:20:30 »
Thanks again, Craftsman & BC
Logged
 

Offline Geezer

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 8314
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 8 times
  • "Vive la résistance!"
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #7 on: 04/10/2009 17:25:31 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/10/2009 16:08:14
Also I think most industrial plants still rely on distilation to make pure oxygenn, rather than PSA.

Not to be pedantic [;D] but would that not be liquefaction rather than distillation?
Logged
There ain'ta no sanity clause, and there ain'ta no centrifugal force æther.
 

Offline Bored chemist

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 31101
  • Activity:
    10.5%
  • Thanked: 1291 times
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #8 on: 04/10/2009 20:48:27 »
Quote from: Geezer on 04/10/2009 17:25:31
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/10/2009 16:08:14
Also I think most industrial plants still rely on distilation to make pure oxygenn, rather than PSA.

Not to be pedantic [;D] but would that not be liquefaction rather than distillation?
Not to be pedantic, unless you distill it you don't get the fractionation needed to splt the N2 from the O2- of course, they do need to liquefy it first, but that's not the whole story.
Logged
Please disregard all previous signatures.
 



Offline DoctorBeaver (OP)

  • Naked Science Forum GOD!
  • *******
  • 12653
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 4 times
  • A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #9 on: 04/10/2009 23:54:50 »
Right, now I'm lost  [:(]
Logged
 

Offline Geezer

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 8314
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 8 times
  • "Vive la résistance!"
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #10 on: 05/10/2009 03:49:46 »
Quote from: DoctorBeaver on 04/10/2009 23:54:50
Right, now I'm lost  [:(]
Fear not!

I was making the point that the first step in the process is to liquefy the oxygen to separate it from the other components in air. Oxygen has the highest boiling point, so it's the first component to liquify as the air is cooled. While that is true, the resulting liquid is still not pure oxygen. If greater purity is required, it is necessary to distill the output from the liquefaction process.
Logged
There ain'ta no sanity clause, and there ain'ta no centrifugal force æther.
 

Offline The Craftsman

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • 10
  • Activity:
    0%
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #11 on: 05/10/2009 04:44:15 »
Semantics.  Distillation is a general industry term for the process used by management and marketing.  The conversation has descended into: what is the appropriate context to use technical engineering nomenclature. 

That aside I think a new post and discussion on the process would be interesting.  Anyone game?
Logged
 

Offline peppercorn

  • Naked Science Forum King!
  • ******
  • 1466
  • Activity:
    0%
  • Thanked: 2 times
    • solar
How does my oxygen-producing machine work?
« Reply #12 on: 05/10/2009 09:36:15 »
Anyone know which PSA device on the market gives the greatest flow output (for, say 50% conc.)?

Also what's the mechanical efficiency of a PSA?
Logged
Quasi-critical-thinker
 



  • Print
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »
Tags:
 
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
  • SMF 2.0.15 | SMF © 2017, Simple Machines
    Privacy Policy
    SMFAds for Free Forums
  • Naked Science Forum ©

Page created in 0.502 seconds with 55 queries.

  • Podcasts
  • Articles
  • Get Naked
  • About
  • Contact us
  • Advertise
  • Privacy Policy
  • Subscribe to newsletter
  • We love feedback

Follow us

cambridge_logo_footer.png

©The Naked Scientists® 2000–2017 | The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science® are registered trademarks created by Dr Chris Smith. Information presented on this website is the opinion of the individual contributors and does not reflect the general views of the administrators, editors, moderators, sponsors, Cambridge University or the public at large.