[Mr. Scientist]

In another thread, Vern talks about the rise and fall of amplitudes associated with the wave and discribes this action as referenced to points in space. - wow.... that's kind of cepy by the way... i just involved the importance of the position term in

|(∫F_g vt)²_<A_k²>|=∫-▼²φ²(ћ(c/G))_g β²t²^(e^i ∫d^4 δ(x-x')(½[ξ√g'_0((∂²/∂δt²-Δ + M²)ψ-(∂²/∂δt²-Δ + M²)ψ)]+½[ξ√g'_g((∂²/∂δt²-Δ + M²)ψ*-(∂²/∂δt²-Δ + M²)ψ*])

and the ''position term''has a very small value of δ(x-x') where x is the initial position and x' is the finale. Amplitudeal values, or polarizational points on a photon would actually oscillate between x and x', that is if charge also (and note this is important) that when mass has a change so does the magnetic force. In a wave solution, polarizations which have not
been determined actually exhibit both spin up and spin down states synonymously. You could argue easily that they ocillate between the two values, attentively assorting their possible possitions until something collapses their wave functions. Could these oscillations be achieved when two points in spacetime are considered under the equations given?

[Mr. Scientist]

Vern


you require also a flat spacetime yes? - This part of relativity would need to be reformulated for photon movement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci-flat_manifold

Where this math: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_manifold would be required, but i am not sure how to use that math in the link. I don't recognize the workings.

[Ethos]

 You could argue easily that they ocillate between the two values, attentively assorting their possible possitions until something collapses their wave functions. Could these oscillations be achieved when two points in spacetime are considered under the equations given?

Are we now taking about Planck time also. Maybe these oscillations are occuring between one Plank length and at intervals of one Planck time. Sounds like the Buzz of existence to me. Maybe time, space, and duration are all digital and nowhere is there an analog to be found.....................?

[Mr. Scientist]

Are we now taking about Planck time also. Maybe these oscillations are occuring between one Plank length and at intervals of one Planck time.

Exactly, but we are both talking about this as if its gospal. Its very speculative which is why i guess its in new theories.

[Mr. Scientist]

I need to ask a question.

Are you saying that they should be balanced or that they shouldn't be balanced in your hypothesis, because if it the first one, then equation:

|(∫F_g vt)²_<A_k²>|=∫-▼²φ²(ћ(c/G))_g β²t²^(e^i ∫d^4 x(½[ξε_0(M²ψ-M²ψ]+½[ξε_g(M²ψ*-M²ψ*]) (1)

is balanced, because it takes into respect the electromagnetic permittivity added with that of the gravitational permittivity with a Langrangian term for M². More interestingly enough, M²ψ is similar to the Klein-Gorden relationship. Here are some interesting reationships:

M²ψ=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ

which results in plane wave solutions. By substitution, you can reconfigurate eq.(1) into:

|(∫F_g vt)²_<A_k²>|=∫-▼²φ²(ћ(c/G))_g β²t²^(e^i ∫d^4 x(½[ξε_0(=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ-=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ]+½[ξε_g(=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ*-=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ])

Which is very attractive as a wave equation.

We could manipulate the equation even more to have nuetral components after taking ino account, from a Klein-Gorden relationship, where for manipulative convenience we can rewrite the plane wave solutions in  quantized form as:

|(∫F_g vt)²_<A_k²>|=∫-▼²φ²(ћ(c/G))_g β²t²^(e^i ∫d^4 x(½[ξε_0((∂²-M²)ψ*-(∂²-M²)]+½[ξε_g((∂²-M²)ψ*-(∂²-M²)ψ*])

This is suppose, would cancel them out, or at least, this is my interpretation of the equation.

|(∫F_g vt)²_<A_k²>|=∫-▼²φ²(ћ(c/G))_g β²t²^(e^i ∫d^4 x(½[ξε_0(=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ-=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ]+½[ξε_g(=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ*-=-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ])

I apologize. This equation was a complete muddle. It should have been:

|(∫F_g vt)²_<A_k²>|=∫-▼²φ²(ћ(c/G))_g β²t²^(e^i ∫d^4 x(½[ξε_0(-∂t(ψ)-(-∂t(ψ)+▼²ψ))]+½[ξε_g(-∂t(ψ)-(-∂t(ψ)+ ▼²ψ))])

[Vern (OP)]

The points I refer to are the peak amplitude places in the sine curve that governs a photon's amplitude. A photon wave does not extend flat wise like a water wave. It moves as peaks, like a clown's hat. The area around the peaks drive the peaks through space. You can replace the words peaks with the word points of which I speak. When you consider that it is the surrounding fields that drive the points through space, and consider that interaction only happens in the path of peak amplitude, the slit experiments are all satisfied.

[Vern (OP)]

Vern


you require also a flat spacetime yes? - This part of relativity would need to be reformulated for photon movement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci-flat_manifold

Where this math: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_manifold would be required, but i am not sure how to use that math in the link. I don't recognize the workings.

Yes; flat space-time is required so that relativity phenomena is naturally predicted. I didn't invent this; it was known at the turn of the century. You've probably seen H. Ziegler's comment to Einstein and Max Planck. I've posted the link a few times.

I haven't studied manifolds since my speculations don't require them.

[Mr. Scientist]

The points I refer to are the peak amplitude places in the sine curve that governs a photon's amplitude. A photon wave does not extend flat wise like a water wave. It moves as peaks, like a clown's hat. The area around the peaks drive the peaks through space. You can replace the words peaks with the word points of which I speak. When you consider that it is the surrounding fields that drive the points through space, and consider that interaction only happens in the path of peak amplitude, the slit experiments are all satisfied.

The Dirac Delta Function is a mathematical peak form.

[Vern (OP)]

The Dirac Delta Function is a mathematical peak form

Thanks, I did not know that.

[Vern (OP)]

I suggest that when the straight line path of the photon is influenced by a gravitational field, it not only responds with a resultant charge, it takes on the property of mass. Mass and charge go hand in hand. Like the gyroscope, the photon wave resists a change in it's trajectory and when this wave is forced to deviate, it responds by taking on the character of mass with charge.

I missed this on my first scan through the new posts. Yes; I agree. Any time the path of a photon is bent, there is charge and mass in the bend area. This explains the temporary tangles that produce the zoo of particles downstream of particle collisions in accelerators.

[Mr. Scientist]

There can be no final classical theory. In fact, causal events must be removed and only applied to this scale of macorscopic interactions.

To solidify these inexorable points, we may as well just rid of the classical sense only if we can make conciousness a non-classical theory (difficult to explain so not right now ) - BUT IN A NTUSHELL; i totally agree with vern.

As i said some of his hypothesis are becoming a guilty pleasure, because at first i wasn't all too appealed by the complexities of magnetic and photon cycles.

[Mr. Scientist]

The Dirac Delta Function is a mathematical peak form

Thanks, I did not know that.

You're welcome. It's just probability really. I can teach you if you like, its very simple.

[Vern (OP)]

I looked it up and I think I've got it now.

[Mr. Scientist]

Cool.

[Mr. Scientist]

Vern, correct me if i am wrong, but your thesis requires a zero-magnetic moment/charge?

[Mr. Scientist]

I am thinking of applying a model for your theory where we an describe the abscent magnetic field equation/expression, we could describe the original GEM equations to describe only a flat metric spacetime whereas use curvature as a reason why tthe magnetic charge dissipates, due to the fact that (gravity may have some weird effect on magnetism).

An experiment can come out of this. I'm just not sure right now how it could be done. But one thg is for sure, we need the dissipation of the Mag.-charge, and it may have something to do with the weakness of the gravitatonal field itself, but this all just speculation the now.

[Mr. Scientist]

Oh i might as well just get what it is on my mind.

My ultimate speculation is that gravitons ''gobble'' up magnetic monopoles'' and this acts as a mechanism to allow a photon to follow a curved geodesic on the basis it has an existent gravitationally-related electric charge.

The above could also answer why monopole particles seem so diluted. According to this wacky idea, they are so rare to find because the graviton-monopole activities decribed are exceedingly high.

[Vern (OP)]

I can visualize that. But my simplistic view is: why use an undiscovered magnetic monopole when nature screams out that it is a simple electromagnetic construct.

[Mr. Scientist]

I can visualize that. But my simplistic view is: why use an undiscovered magnetic monopole when nature screams out that it is a simple electromagnetic construct.

Whereas your theory is absolutely valid theoretically, the only inconsistency is that scientists beleive they have detected the monopole and i know how much you don't rely on those experiments, so its a difficult one to decide on.

[Vern (OP)]

I have never seen a report of an experiment that detected a magnetic monopole.