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« Reply #80 on: 19/11/2009 13:18:31 »
I have heard Doctor Wagner proclaim this. Can you take it up with him, since i am banned from sciforums?
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« Reply #81 on: 19/11/2009 20:08:00 »
I found this report

But it is not very convincing. I am not sure they reached the right conclusion from the scattering of neutrons that was their indicator. This is probably what Wagner referenced.

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Magnetic monopoles are hypothetical particles proposed by physicists that carry a single magnetic pole, either a magnetic north pole or south pole. In the material world this is quite exceptional because magnetic particles are usually observed as dipoles, north and south combined. However there are several theories that predict the existence of monopoles. Among others, in 1931 the physicist Paul Dirac was led by his calculations to the conclusion that magnetic monopoles can exist at the end of tubes – called Dirac strings – that carry magnetic field. Until now they have remained undetected.
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« Reply #82 on: 20/11/2009 01:43:30 »
Quote from: Vern on 19/11/2009 20:08:00
I found this report

But it is not very convincing. I am not sure they reached the right conclusion from the scattering of neutrons that was their indicator. This is probably what Wagner referenced.

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Magnetic monopoles are hypothetical particles proposed by physicists that carry a single magnetic pole, either a magnetic north pole or south pole. In the material world this is quite exceptional because magnetic particles are usually observed as dipoles, north and south combined. However there are several theories that predict the existence of monopoles. Among others, in 1931 the physicist Paul Dirac was led by his calculations to the conclusion that magnetic monopoles can exist at the end of tubes – called Dirac strings – that carry magnetic field. Until now they have remained undetected.
Ahhh, let me mull over the information again. Reply soon friend.
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« Reply #83 on: 20/11/2009 01:48:11 »
In facto emondo,

I do believe Dirac said their presence was required.
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« Reply #84 on: 20/11/2009 12:18:11 »
Yes, it was part of a theory that Dirac proposed.  But the more I look at the experiment, the more I see possibilities that the suspected monopoles could be dipole pairs with their opposing poles held together by outside forces.
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« Reply #85 on: 23/11/2009 00:26:29 »
You ok vern, haven't seen you around?
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« Reply #86 on: 23/11/2009 00:27:48 »
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Yes, it was part of a theory that Dirac proposed.  But the more I look at the experiment, the more I see possibilities that the suspected monopoles could be dipole pairs with their opposing poles held together by outside forces.

If i understand you correctly, that would require a lot of pressure.
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« Reply #87 on: 23/11/2009 11:39:11 »
Yes; I have been lurking reading the posts but not responding much.

The magnetic monopoles of the experiment were artificially created and held together. The observed monopoles could actually be duel dipoles. Two electron charges worth of pressure would be required to hold their like poles together,

If we try and contort a photon's path such that it presents its magnetic field toward the outside of a confining pattern we must conjure up some forces that we don't normally see.
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« Reply #88 on: 24/11/2009 09:41:26 »
Quote from: Vern on 23/11/2009 11:39:11
Yes; I have been lurking reading the posts but not responding much.

The magnetic monopoles of the experiment were artificially created and held together. The observed monopoles could actually be duel dipoles. Two electron charges worth of pressure would be required to hold their like poles together,

If we try and contort a photon's path such that it presents its magnetic field toward the outside of a confining pattern we must conjure up some forces that we don't normally see.

This is what i was attempting in my equations.:)
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« Reply #89 on: 24/11/2009 17:04:29 »
It is interesting. If the pattern could be around the magnetic plane, it would be a magnetic monopole. A magnetic monopole of that nature would be an electric dipole, negative at one end and positive at the at the other.

But it does not seem to happen.
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