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How can we control human population?

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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #80 on: 25/03/2016 22:31:06 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/03/2016 20:36:05
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.

Yeah, who would have thought it, the herd animals which live off grass are good at looking after it..... better than us humans..... oops!

There are loads of other videos about such stuff out there. Some of the ways desert can be greened by making little trenches horizontally across the land to get the water to soak into the ground and allow the first few plants to start thus providingthe wind cover for a decent soil and more plants are well worth a watch.
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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #81 on: 26/03/2016 00:08:27 »
Quote from: syhprum on 25/03/2016 22:15:11
In the UK there is a very effective form of birth control i.e An obsession with owning your own house and very high house prices.
It is impossible for a married couple with only one person working to buy a house so both work and take great care not to conceive or have abortions if they do.
Interestingly, this is the flip side of a coin that was tossed in the 1960s when oral contraceptives became available and for the first time it was possible to get a mortgage based on full joint salaries. There being something of a shortage of houses, house prices rose to meet the available money, and almost doubled in 5 years. This led to the expectation that a house is a sound financial investment and as a result Brits now pay more for housing as a fraction of income than anyone else.

Since gross domestic product consists of all financial transactions, whether or not they are actually productive, successive governments have promoted house price inflation, the "housing ladder" and "stimulating the housing market" as a Good Thing because they increase GDP per capita (the economist's only parameter of governmental performance) without anyone actually having to make anything or invest public money in a venture that might involve some risk. Except that when private ventures go belly-up, government has to step in and bail out the Channel Tunnel, the banks, the poverty-stricken thieves who now own your railway companies....at your expense.  So now we have no manufacturing industry, collapsing public infrastructure, no mines, no fisheries, farming wholly dependent on subsidies and artificial market support through EU intervention, and a looming energy crisis thanks to a complete absence of investment in secure power supply, but a really, really strong economy (the fifth largest in the world, they tell us) based on selling secondhand houses to each other, like a queue of hermit crabs swapping shells. 
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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #82 on: 26/03/2016 14:41:27 »
Quote from: Tim the Plumber on 25/03/2016 22:31:06
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/03/2016 20:36:05
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.

Yeah, who would have thought it, the herd animals which live off grass are good at looking after it..... better than us humans..... oops!

There are loads of other videos about such stuff out there. Some of the ways desert can be greened by making little trenches horizontally across the land to get the water to soak into the ground and allow the first few plants to start thus providingthe wind cover for a decent soil and more plants are well worth a watch.


massive artificial lakes and rivers spanning entire continents will become common eventually and the goal should be to make them as natural and scenic looking as possible- artificial geography doesnt have to look artificial. we should keep in mind all continents are temporary anyway.. the earths crusts continually recycle/rearrange the surface of this planet so we may as well use it before we lose it
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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #83 on: 26/03/2016 17:17:10 »
Quote from: the5thforce on 26/03/2016 14:41:27
Quote from: Tim the Plumber on 25/03/2016 22:31:06
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/03/2016 20:36:05
Interesting, but baffling! So herds of domestic animals cause desertification and reverse it. There must be some secret in that "planned grazing" concept that has escaped farmers for the last thousand years or so, and it looks as though the secret is actually "unplanned" grazing, as done by wild animals that just follow the grass.

Yeah, who would have thought it, the herd animals which live off grass are good at looking after it..... better than us humans..... oops!

There are loads of other videos about such stuff out there. Some of the ways desert can be greened by making little trenches horizontally across the land to get the water to soak into the ground and allow the first few plants to start thus providingthe wind cover for a decent soil and more plants are well worth a watch.


massive artificial lakes and rivers spanning entire continents will become common eventually and the goal should be to make them as natural and scenic looking as possible- artificial geography doesnt have to look artificial. we should keep in mind all continents are temporary anyway.. the earths crusts continually recycle/rearrange the surface of this planet so we may as well use it before we lose it

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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #84 on: 07/08/2016 08:09:06 »
Difficult.

Easy solution for England is to send all those migrants back where they came from... but what happens when the native Americans and Australian aborigines send ours back? Migration works both ways.

Holding family size to replacement numbers works... for now but it reduces evolutionary pressure. We will see a build up of defective and ineffective genes without some artificial process to compensate and exactly who would you like to control it?
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Re: Ideas for population control?
« Reply #85 on: 08/05/2017 03:36:40 »
Yes there are over 7 billion people on the planet but you wouldn't need population control for the HUGE percentage of people who are gay or have religious-based sexual abstinence. There are also people who just aren't sexual for other reasons.

I really like the sexbot idea, it's one I haven't yet heard but it does make sense and isn't hurting anyone. We wouldn't need 7 billion of them though, just enough to give people a safe and preventative option that's guaranteed to eliminate the worry of pregnancy or STD's.

I also really like the idea of raising taxes for those who want more children rather than lowering them. Incentive to try harder to avoid unwanted pregnancies rather than rewarding those who intentionally have more kids than they would have otherwise in order to reap the benefits.
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