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Human consciousness. Is it measurable? Can it be isolated and identified? What is consciousness – and can it be discussed on a scientific forum, or is it a topic more suitable to the philosophical ones? Mod edit - I've formatted your subject as a question - this helps to keep the forum tidy and easy to navigate - thanks!
On p.106 of 'Leadership and the New Science', Wheatley refers to an observation by Nobel laureate chemist, Prigogine, that in 'non-living' chemical solutions, communication occurs, generating order. In the chemical clocks he studied, the random mix of molecules became coordinated at a certain point. A murky grey solution would pulse first black and then white. Prigogine is quoted as saying: The amazing thing is that each molecule knows in some way what the other molecules will do at the same time, over relatively macroscopic distances. These experiments provide examples of the ways in which molecules communicate... That is a property that everybody always accepted in living systems, but in non-living systems it was quite unexpected.
Could you provide an example of consciousness in a non-[primate] system?
Consciousness occurs in systems that do not even have an identifiable brain. Margaret Wheatley (1992) 'Leadership and the New Science'. San Francisco: Berrett-Koehler.
"might be a termite mound" - Peppercorn, have you read "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstatder (may have spelt his name wrong here)? A very amusing, though also profound, book by this protaganist of Strong AI that has a character he refers to as Aunt Hillary and who is really exactly that!
Popular ideas about consciousness suggest the phenomenon describes a condition of being aware of one's awareness or, self-awareness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness#Self-awarenessQuote Popular ideas about consciousness suggest the phenomenon describes a condition of being aware of one's awareness or, self-awareness.computers know 'how' to do things but dont know 'what' they are doing.Being 'aware' is knowing 'what' you are doing.
Quote from: granpa on 30/09/2010 06:28:09http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness#Self-awarenessQuote Popular ideas about consciousness suggest the phenomenon describes a condition of being aware of one's awareness or, self-awareness.computers know 'how' to do things but dont know 'what' they are doing.Being 'aware' is knowing 'what' you are doing.I suspect that's an arbitrary distinction. Where do you draw the line between how and what?For example, our dogs clearly know how to do a lot of things, and I'm pretty sure they have a very good idea of what they are doing too.It's not too hard to give a machine an objective (a "what") and let it figure out the "how" for itself.
A program is a square. Inside that square you define the rules for what you expect to happen, or rather what you allow to happen. That's a linear process, life's not linear. But if we get to quantum computing I believe we also will get to non-linear computing. Not in our questions though, but the way the answers come to be will.
intelligence is not only to be good at physics, or math.