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« on: 23/08/2010 20:59:59 »
Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?
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« Reply #1 on: 23/08/2010 21:35:02 »
...And its claws are as big as cups, and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! And Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on its tail, so if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you! And instead of a mouth it's got four arses!

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« Reply #2 on: 23/08/2010 23:22:27 »
D'OE!

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« Reply #3 on: 24/08/2010 20:46:43 »
Have a read of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe#Origin
This doesn't really say why DOE was chosen. Maybe it was a common name back then?!
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« Reply #4 on: 25/08/2010 11:30:57 »
The article mentions that other names were also used, but these seem to have subsequently fallen out of use.  My best guess for the name 'Doe' being retained, in preference to the others,  is just because it comes before the others in the alphabet.
...And its claws are as big as cups, and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps! And Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on its tail, so if you're made out of metal it can attach itself to you! And instead of a mouth it's got four arses!

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« Reply #5 on: 25/08/2010 11:51:33 »
John Doe was the name given to a hypothetical land owner and Richard Doe the name of his hypothetical tenant in a legal paper dating from the reign of Edward III in the 14th C.

The actual name John Doe has no relevance to the hypothetical case in question, which became quite famous in it's day.

I have often wondered if the name 'Doe' now has some relevance to the fact that this name is invariably used in the case of an unidentified corpse, hence it could be an acronym. John or Jane used to identify the gender while Doe could be Dead On Examination.

If this is not the case, then to my mind, it should be and I hereby lay claim to this conception.
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« Reply #6 on: 26/08/2010 03:25:16 »


Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?


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« Reply #7 on: 26/08/2010 14:07:59 »


Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?


Shhh, Make it Lady, it's a Department Of Energy secret! Classified!



And I thought it was Department Of Environment...

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« Reply #8 on: 26/08/2010 22:40:14 »
John Doe was the name given to a hypothetical land owner and Richard Doe the name of his hypothetical tenant in a legal paper dating from the reign of Edward III in the 14th C.

The actual name John Doe has no relevance to the hypothetical case in question, which became quite famous in it's day.

I have often wondered if the name 'Doe' now has some relevance to the fact that this name is invariably used in the case of an unidentified corpse, hence it could be an acronym. John or Jane used to identify the gender while Doe could be Dead On Examination.

If this is not the case, then to my mind, it should be and I hereby lay claim to this conception.
Then it should be DOA which is commonly used as dead on arrival.
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« Reply #9 on: 30/08/2010 05:05:53 »
Why do Americans refer to people with no identity as John Doe or Jane Doe. I understand the John/Jane bit but why DOE?

What do the British call them?

I have a stalker on another site that calls herself Jane Doe....of course, thats not what I call her.
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« Reply #10 on: 30/08/2010 12:34:28 »
What do the British call them?


Stiffs.
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« Reply #11 on: 30/08/2010 17:36:24 »
What do the British call them?


Stiffs.

As in;

"He's a little stiff from Rugby."
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« Reply #12 on: 31/08/2010 17:47:08 »
Joe Bloggs or John Smith. Not sure about the women.
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« Reply #13 on: 31/08/2010 19:29:45 »
What happened to Joe Soap?
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« Reply #14 on: 31/08/2010 20:36:24 »
He slipped out of usage.
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