[neilep]

One things for sure...God & God related topics are popular...even on a science based website...at last count there are about 10-15 threads that all dwindle down to the same old thing....God is real...god is not real...I am right...you are wrong.

Personally...I believe in harmony....and threads like this (IMO) seem to stimulate disharmony and dissension.

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!

[ariel]

as a matter of fact, I have been touched by his noodly appendage []

[Ray hinton]

wow....
i see it like this...
god is the good,careing,kind,loving,warm,friendly,side of every single one of us,and the devil,who by the way no one has mentioned,but plays a significant part in the bible,is the cold negative side,so god is in us not controlling us from afar.
im an ex soldier who has seen both sides of the human character.
its not always a pretty sight,we can be awfull,and we are capable of such wonderful acts of kindness,god could definately be in us.

RE-HAB IS FOR QUITTERS.

[ariel]

now you have got me thinking. if flying spaghetti monster is god, who is the devil?
floating macaroni vampire?

[Ray hinton]

brilliant,and i thought i was being profound and deep.

RE-HAB IS FOR QUITTERS.

[Buggerlugs]

Does God exist?...We probibaly wont know the answer to that question until we all die...(or mabey we wont).  Look, if God does exist, he probibaly isnt the God you will be expecting because your religion has been so diluted over the past 2000+ years and if he doesnt exist then mabey there will be still some place to reside with lost loved ones.

We are entering a new age of Quantum physics and there are many arguments between Theoretical Physicists, Creationists, Evolutionists ect...all searching for 'the truth'. My guess is we are not even close and never realy will be because as a human species we are built to 'question' and will never be satisfied with 'the truth'. Todays theories are tomorrows scientific history.

You have good and bad inside you...and free will, so you decide.. i dont think it realy matters in the grand scale of things.

[tony6789 (OP)]

But i mean we have no real evidence besides a book that he is real

- Big T

[tony6789 (OP)]

For instance if i picked up a mothergoose book am i supposed to worship her?


- Big T

[Ray hinton]

hey if she is the one that lays the golden eggs,im up for a bit off water-fowl worship.

its the drugs,y-know.

[neilep]

Tony (you young whippersnapper you !)...eventually you'll come to your own decision as the years go by.....what about your family ?..are they religious ?...any guidance from them ?...of course you may eventually decide that you just can't make up your mind....

That, along with , 'why do three buses turn up at the same time  ?' is one of life's BIG questions.

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!

[tony6789 (OP)]

is god a hoax?

- Big T

[tony6789 (OP)]

Ok like i said there is no evidence on god that he is real. man i am getting more read here that in the chat section

- Big T

[Carolyn]

Tony - I don't know that you will ever find evidence that God exists.  That's what faith is all about.  I'm glad you're asking questions.  There is nothing wrong with that.  I'm almost 40 and I question alot of the things I was brought up to believe. Although I do question alot of the religious "stuff", I have never questioned that God is real. I have experienced many miracles in my life, and I will be glad to share them with you, although I'm not sure this is the place for that.  I agree with Neil, you will have to make your own decision about what you believe.  Spirituality is very personal, we each have to work out our own salvation.  It is between you and God.  There are alot of things I want to say to you, but I need to get my thoughts in order first.  

What I will say now is that there are alot of zealots out there, on both sides of this issue.  I know alot of religious fanatics that believe its a sin to tell a joke.  Some say its a sin to associate with non believers.  I think they're full of crap.  I believe God has a tremendous sense of humor. He loves to hear us laugh.  I personally love a good dirty joke. (ok that may not be so good, but we all have our weaknesses)  I believe God wants us to love everyone, including non believers.  Neil and I have different beliefs, but I enjoy reading his posts and "chatting" with him.  I have a lot of friends who believe different things and thats ok.  Listen to your heart and you'll find the right answer.  Ask all the questions you need to ask.  God gave you that brain, he expects you to use it.

Carolyn

[neilep]

Excellent post Carolyn.

Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!

[tony6789 (OP)]

I agree that was a good post. Ok can i ask this do you have any info or knowledge in the Divinci(sry it is misspelled why can't they just call him bob?) Code. I am very interested in it

- Big T

[jiggster]

I am a catholic year 10 doing philosophy as level God I think is not real were as the evidence the big bag which was a compassion of particle is a bit more believable then God went pop pop in 6 days created earth the whole universe. It’s so well designed it would have took milliners to design 1 plant let alone billions it’s just not believable.

[Carolyn]

Tony - I started reading the Bob Code, but something about it just gave me the creeps.  It really gave me a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach.  I don't know why, but it bothered me enough to put the book down.  That's never happened to me before.  Generally, I am the type of person who has to finish a book once I've started it.

Someone asked back on page one if anyone had read Angels & Demons by Dan Brown.  I have read that, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Also, since you're grappling with whether God is real or not, let me suggest the Left Behind series of books.  These books are based on the Bible, but they are FICTION.  I enjoyed every one them and I could honestly say I would have liked them even if I weren't a Christian.

I'm praying you find the answers you are looking for.  Have a blessed weekend.
Carolyn

[namaan]

I am a Muslim, for a change

I've just finished reading the Quran, the only good English rendering of the Quran that I know of can be found at: http://www.ourbeacon.com/7101.html
It’s available free for download.

First of all you all will probably be surprised at the type of arguments that I am going to make considering I am going to use the Quran as my reference.  This is the reason why I cited the version of the Quran that I read, since it is the only English rendering which is devoid of contradictions and is truly flawless as the Quran, the most pragmatic book on the planet (believe it or not, and if you don’t read it and find out) itself asserts.  Also, for the remainder of the post, since this seems to be a largely secularist forum, please temporarily assume that God exists.

I haven't read all the posts, but as a general response, the problem I seem to see with most of the arguments here is that everyone tries to 'fit' God into science, even though God is the one who initiated matter from nothing and began time when it didn't exist and created the very fabric of the universe from nothing.  So, does it really make sense for us to try to frame the One with the capacity to create the quarks and the electrons and protons and so on from nothing into a system (science) which is directly derived from His creations?  

What you forget is that science in all its glory only creates a representation/instance of the world around us and not a copy of it.  This is so since all renderings/simulation of the world around us, no matter how sophisticated, will run on a looping function with a finite delay between frames.  Will you find some sort of minimum time interval between universal progressions?  Do the physicists think that there is some form of program running in the background of the universe that is calculating the trajectory of an object thrown in the air or launched from the spring?  Do the chemists think that there is some sort of program running in the background of the universe calculating the position of each electron and its progression through time and space between/among atoms causing the various chemical reactions they study?  Science can tell us what is, but it can’t tell us what ought to be.  The most humans can attain from the Ultimate Glory of the creations of God (the Heavens and the Earth), is a mere representation of our immediate surroundings as to best suit our needs for a logical and stable environment.  

If God had willed, he could have created an unstable environment in which the so called “Universal Forces” (gravity, weak force, strong force and electromagnetism) kept changing orientation or be completely replaced by some new law.  If God can initiate such laws to begin with, then why would He not be able to change them?  However, it says quite a few times in the Quran that God himself promises that his laws will never change, and it is for this very reason that there is even such an occupation such as a scientist.  

So, for the person apt in deductive and logical reasoning, you may find that the question to ask is not whether or not God exists.  It is whether or not the universe around us exists, and as far as that is concerned; I doubt that it even deserves a passing comment.

[namaan]

By the way, incase anyone is interested, Islam is not a fatalist religion.  In fact every concept in the Quran is explained from within the Quran, what I call an autoderivation.

Also, when I quoted the Universal Forces, it was to deny their existence, but rather to imply their synthetic nature.

[namaan]

Wow, for the second time:
When I quoted the Universal Forces, it was NOT to deny their existence, but rather to imply their synthetic nature.