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quote:...The thing is....though the childs parents will be ancient when the child becomes 10, at least there IS a child that has a life, whereas if the IVF had not been allowed, the child would have never existed.
quote:Maybe this is why she had to go to Italy, .....do you know if that's why ?...would no one do the procedure here in the Uk ?
quote:Originally posted by JimBobIt isn't a good idea for any woman of the age described from a health perspective.
quote:Originally posted by another_someoneFirstly, it may well be unnatural for women to give birth at 63, but society tends to distort the natural. The most natural thing is for women to start bearing children relatively soon after puberty, but in most Western societies this would be illegal. Most Western societies also tend to promote the notion that women should first focus on their education, then on their career, and only after that on having children. Thus we have a situation where increasingly women are simply running out of time to have children before the onset of menopause;
quote:Additional to this is the fact that increasing life spans makes it a more viable option to believe that a woman of 55 might be as likely to see her child grow to adulthood as a woman of 40 might have done a few centuries ago.
quote:The other factor to bear in mind is that while it is true that parents may be more active at an earlier age, bringing up children is becoming an increasingly expensive business, and if people spend their early years building up their financial resources, then at least in their later years they might be able to give their children the financial security they could not have given them when they were young.
quote:Nor is the argument about the physical capabilities of older people that much of an argument. It is true that in the past parents have been younger, but nonetheless it was not at all uncommon for busy parents to leave much of the upbringing of their children to the grandparents. If the grandparents have the capacity to bring up their children's children, then why cannot they bring up their own children?
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyquote:Originally posted by another_someoneThus we have a situation where increasingly women are simply running out of time to have children before the onset of menopause; Thatís life.
quote:Originally posted by another_someoneThus we have a situation where increasingly women are simply running out of time to have children before the onset of menopause;
quote:We maybe living longer but that donít necessarily mean that women should be giving birth to children beyond the point which their bodies and nature has determined they should be and if us living longer healthier lives meant that it was ok for women to give birth later in life then Iím sure their bodies would adapt and adopt this change naturally. Evolution has done a damn good job up to now and we are messing with it too much in this instance.
quote:Nothing wrong with that however logic says there should be a cut off point. Which should be determined by factors such as dangers to the child as it develops in the womb and also at its birth? and the future health and fitness of the parents and the ability of them to look after the child, but not just at the time of birth but also to and beyond the point of adolescence. And so the cut off point/age should always be before the mother is old.
quote:No, children need to be and should be mainly brought up by their parent thatís why they are the parents. Children need Parents who can keep up with them if possible, parents who have a mind more in tune with the society that the children are born into, parents who are less likely to die before their children reach adolescence, parents who are strong enough in mind and body to protect and control their children.Grandparents are ok for stories or for looking after the child occasionally but the parents of the child are the people who should have primary responsibility in bringing up their children.
quote:Originally posted by CarolynThis is the first I've heard of this story. Although George presented some good arguments, I have to agree with Michael. I can't imagine giving birth now at 40, let alone 63. When this child is 16, she will be 79. Keeping up with the shenanigans of a 16 year old is hard work. I just can't imagine someone near 80 being able to handle that.Both sets of grandparents were tremendous assets when it came to raising our children. The advice and the help they gave helped us tremendously. However, when it came down to the brass tacks, WE were the ones responsible for the children. When they got on the grandparents nerves, they came home.I don't know any of the circumstances and I truly don't want to sound judgemental, but it just seems selfish to me. Yes, she is bringing a child into the world, but what quality of life is this child going to have.Carolyn
quote:Children need Parents who can keep up with them if possible, parents who have a mind more in tune with the society that the children are born into