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quote:Originally posted by underdogand what about the so-called innocent love?I mean, like loving family or friendslike I'd die to save my best-friend/mom
quote:is it psychology? or still chemistry?
quote:Originally posted by neilepI would be interested in knowing the history of the term ‘ making love ‘…it is perhaps, I feel, out of fashion these days.
quote:In the good old days,…love was the expected 1st rung of the ladder, then this would lead to marriage etc etc, then sex (making love)
quote:Falling in love online is so very easy to do. The imagination is such a wonderful thing yet our control of it is sometimes quite haphazard !!…and this is where the ease of net love begins….….It’s your imagination with all it’s wants and desires that are transposes these feelings onto the person you’re interacting with. You don’t have the benefit of a face, or a voice, or touch !..you only have the interface, and the desire in your mind just loves to fill in the gaps for you, and provides you with the hormonal response required.
quote:Originally posted by underdogok, changing the subject a littlesome people never felt romantic loveI've some friend who never didhe kept saying some theories about "love" being just a mythI tried to tell him the the hormones effects on body y'knowracing heart and etcbut he said he never felt that!and love songs etc. doesn't affect him, he think it's sillywhile he actually "recieved" romantic love at childhoodis it some kinda syndrome? or illness?he's pretty close friend, he is NOT lying
quote:Originally posted by underdogok, changing the subject a littlesome people never felt romantic loveI've some friend who never didhe kept saying some theories about "love" being just a mythI tried to tell him the the hormones effects on body y'knowracing heart and etcbut he said he never felt that!and love songs etc. doesn't affect him, he think it's sillywhile he actually "recieved" romantic love at childhoodis it some kinda syndrome? or illness?
quote:Originally posted by neilepIm not too sure that one can correlate love with a placebo.A placebo is a real tangible thing and though love is not a physical thing,
quote:Just because a thing can not be held or seen does not mean it does not exist.
quote:I would defend that Love is not a myth...
quote:Originally posted by neilepHe might be filled with bravado and is trying to impress you with how tough he is........or..he simply does not want to admit having felt romantic love....or he is truly incapable of experiencing romantic love.....it happens y'know but it's very rare...
quote:Originally posted by neilep..I would like to think he just hasn't opened his heart to the possibility yet or he just has not found someone or something (ie: a song) that has pulled his heartstrings accordingly.
quote:Originally posted by neilepHow old are you guys ?...you say that he received romantic love as a child !!!..what does that mean ?...as a young boy he had a girlfriend who loved him but he didn't love her back?
quote:Originally posted by neilep...is he happy with his lack of romantic love ?...or should I say is he ' comfortable ' with it ?.......
quote:Originally posted by neilep...as he is your friend , have you enjoyed laughs and giggles with him over the years or has he always been the serious type ?
quote:Originally posted by neilepOne thing is for sure, in my opinion love is not a myth....does he not feel any kind of love at all ?...for his family ?..for you ?..ie: friendly brotherly love ?
quote:Originally posted by neilepHow can he say love is a myth when he must recognize that love is all around him ?
quote:Originally posted by another_someonequote:Originally posted by neilepIm not too sure that one can correlate love with a placebo.A placebo is a real tangible thing and though love is not a physical thing,A placebo may be a tangible thing.Faith healing is through the placebo effect, and yet there is nothing physically tangible about faith.
quote:Just because a thing can not be held or seen does not mean it does not exist.quote:I never said it did not exist, only that it existed in the same way as the placebo effect exists (and the placebo effect is indeed a real effect).And I did not mean to imply that you said it did.quote:I would defend that Love is not a myth...Again, I did not suggest it was – it is no more a myth than the placebo effect is a myth.On the other hand, love, as much as the placebo effect, relies heavily upon myth and illusion to gain its effect. We all know that love can distort ones perception, not least one's perception of the object that one loves.GeorgeAnd I again did not mean to imply that you did suggest love was a myth. I was just merely stating my point of view, which may have inadvertently been interpreted as a debatable point, but was not intended as such. I agree, Love can blind your senses and one can also be blind to love....but you know what ? *le sigh*...all this talk of love and stuff and...well.......I love you George [:X] (cheeky giggle) Men are the same as women, just inside out !
quote:I never said it did not exist, only that it existed in the same way as the placebo effect exists (and the placebo effect is indeed a real effect).
quote:Originally posted by neilep....Hmmm..y'know....I am not too sure now if the 'pill' itself is the placebo, or it's the effect it has on the mind that is!...if it just the effect, then the placebo pill is akin to faith healing..........it's a mental conduit.....could 'placebo ' be equated to 'belief ' I wonder...I think it must..
quote:studies showing that placebo treatments result in changes in brain function similar to the real drug are probably examples of conditioning resulting in objectively measurable results. (Sauro 2005, Wager 2004, Leuchter 2002) "The placebo effect, thought of as the result of the inert pill, can be better understood as an effect of the relationship between doctor and patient. Adding the doctor's caring to medical care affects the patient's experience of treatment, reduces pain, and may affect outcome. This survey makes it clear that doctors continue to use placebos, and most think they help."
quote:Originally posted by HadrianLove is a one those words that is misused all too often. Being in love has many different meanings to many different people. When you are talking about an intimate relationship between two people love is often used. But you need to view the relationship closely to see if in fact that is the case. In the beginning the relationship it often in a state of bliss. This is mostly based on an egoic need in each person being fulfilled by the other. But just as fulfilment based on need of things fades, so dose this bliss state. This is because the ego can never be fulfilled by anything forever. Even in this early stage the smallest hint of withdrawal can cause extreme pain. This is a certain indication that the relationship is based on the needs of the ego. Feelings of anger and jealousy are all part of such relationships. You here people say they have a love hate relationship. They swing from pleasure to pain, is this love? How can love relationship give you pain?To me love is acceptance of being in the presence of someone without the need to be in control of them. It where two people can be themselves totally, say or hear what ever comes in to their minds with out judgment or resistance. It is total acceptance of each other. This is what I call a love relationship. What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
quote: HADRIANI can not accept that true love can give you pain and certainly not as a necessary part of love. I should declare that I believe that love in my understanding is part of a higher state of being. To me it is state free of attachment to suffering.
quote: HADRIANPeople enter in to relationships for many different reasons including to suffer. If to suffer is fulfilling a need, then in extreme cases these relationship takes on damaging and even violent qualities. But underling this is the need. When we deep down identify with our pain from the past our ego can assume this identity and we seek out pain by inflicting it or inducing it.
quote: HADRIANWhatever is the deep need the ego will craves it and will seek it out in your relationships too. If you need to feel wanted then will look for this by demanding in every aspect of the relationship and will interrupted and small lack of fulfilment as a threat.
quote:Many relationships are used sexual pleasure as masks for suffering. But this too only leads to more pain.
quote: HADRIANThe only true intimacy that can last is one built on being present in the moment with an other without need for an outcome
quote: HADRIAN It is sad the so many people look for fulfilment by looking the perfect partner when they have it inside them already. When two people who have found fulfilment for themselves form a relationship this without doubt is path to supreme loveIf you relationships are free of all ego driven needs then you can say they are true love relationships. .