[Missynmax83]

I know what a comet will do and I know how even they can explode b4 impact but how much damage would it do after taking away it's motion and it falling at the most lowest speed of free all , that's what I c the moon more Likely doing sins it's pritty much sitting still comperted to the speed it moves away from us .now if I was to watch over a hour the moon head to earth at them speed how many time would the earth spin .if the moon was to get here from where it is with in a year yes no hope at all , that's only 365 revs but if it takes 1000 years that's 365000 rev .its only take a couple 1000 house power to move the earth of it axis a little so the moon would be less.... And I sed about a super cooling to make the surface stronger .they say b4 the first ice age they wasn't really much ice then some how have a ice age with cycles , so to me something happen on a massive long scale not a short scale .wouldnt the thickness and temp of the surface need to be charge permanently not a event smashing the surface apart rasing surface temps

[Missynmax83]

Also what if the surface was cooler and thicker that when it did crack it was like when u step on ice and brake though where the ice brakes around ur foot but not under the foot leaving a hole peace with the imprint of ur sole on it .now say when the moon hit it broke the same way but with  laws of physics of gravity around 0 sin  u got  a reverse gravity ,so now laws of physics of motion is pushing out and exploding between the moo and earth .all I'm saying is just maybe ...... Maybe when u look up at the moon and c the round dark spots that make the man in moon maybe they r presser marks

[Missynmax83]

Also everyone talking about comets hit the earth, but they r high speed impacts ,the moon hitting will be a low speed impact witch makes all the differents .tap a peace of glass with a marble and most likely do nothing but throw it at the glass and it shatters along with the marble ,it makes all the differents

[Missynmax83]

What I'm saying about gravity is as the moon start to slowly move towards earth first the water wood slowly be dragged to below the closes point to the moon but with the earth still spinning below the water keeping it stured sand stoping it going hard,pressing the water cooler and denser than the deeps past of the ocean now .when the moon get much closer it gravity on earth wood get much stronger .same as earth on the moons gravity .changing the way gravity is acting at the closes points of the 2 ,making earth act like the moon and the moon acting like having 0 gravity .now at some point laws of physics of motion on the earth surface would come in to play , sins we spin at 1650 kmh and if any object moving away from this planet at them speed it's only leaving earth.so now when the moon hit u got pressers and explosive forces pushing the moon away coz laws of physics of motion is trying to push the earth surface out coz of the lower gravity afect ,it don't need to be neat just got to work

[RD]

At its current distance from Earth, the gravitational pull of the moon distorts the surface of Earth,
see "body tides" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide

This deformation would increase exponentially as the moon approached Earth.

As I said previously , if the moon got closer to earth, even if it approached very slowly , Earth would be increasingly deformed into an egg-shape and eventually the still-largely-liquid Earth  would consume the (smaller) moon ...   


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Earth-Moon.png  [ to scale ]

[Kryptid]

I plan on responding to each of your posts, Missynmax83, but I want to do some calculations in regards to this issue first. This may take some time. I'll get back to you later.

[Missynmax83]

If the moon was to hit earth with in a year or so yes but I'm talking 1000s of years and with the surface being super cooled right at the spot the moon is having its biggest afect. plus coz the surface and that is still a solid wouldn't the thickens of the earth with it spinning change the shape more like a wheel or Pan shape ,but now add a super cooled surface holding the earth in shape ...

[RD]

...  surface being super cooled right at the spot the moon is having its biggest afect ...

The two bodies would have to be totally solid to bounce off each other like pool-balls, Earth being solid at solid at "the right spot" isn't going to stop the moon being swallowed up by the largely liquid Earth.

According to the misguided* member MOON TRUTH, who started this thread, the moon has already hit Earth repeatedly. So your hypothetical solidification cannot explain his theory because Earth currently has a largely molten core, (so it was not solid in the past).

[ * if he was to study the features on other moons and planets I believe he could find some which correspond with those on Earth,  which would demonstrate that his idea than the moon has left imprints on Earth is not the reason astronomical bodies have common features ].

[Missynmax83]

The core would stay molten .my point was laws of physics of motion would = the top layers of earth  to be = to that of a solid mass where the 2 gravity start to = each other out where the  laws of physics of motion is free to have afect.all being held in place by a cooler thicker surface  with water  trying to freeze and compact  it, with looking at other planets moons it's different coz pretty much every other planet it moon orbits different to  earth.other planets have 1angle at around 1%  of its surface but earth  the moon could hit at many different angles and around 50% of the surface

[Missynmax83]

Now how would we know the layer of earth under the surface has not been cool down b4 ,the core will try and stay at current temp ,so after the moon has moved away from earth and the water is free to move back to how it is ,the core is free the warm the layers of earth back to normal temps with the only thing charge being the surface ,air and water temp

[Kryptid]

I know what a comet will do and I know how even they can explode b4 impact but how much damage would it do after taking away it's motion and it falling at the most lowest speed of free all

Even if you were able to take the Moon and gently set it down on the Earth's surface, it would still collapse. The major factor holding the Moon, Earth and other large celestial bodies together in a spherical shape is gravity, not the material strength of its substance. As a matter of fact, the major reason why they are spherical in the first place is because gravity is strong enough to force them into that shape. This means that the forces generated by gravity are strong enough to overwhelm the inherit structural integrity of the rocks and minerals that make these bodies up, causing them to break, stretch and morph until a low energy, overall spherical shape is attained.

So think about the rocky material that makes up the Moon. It is held in place mostly by its gravitational self-attraction. When you take the Moon and set it on the Earth, which has much stronger gravity, the material that composes the Moon will be more strongly attracted to the Earth than it is to the rest of the material in the Moon. This will cause it to break apart and fall towards the Earth.

that's what I c the moon more Likely doing sins it's pritty much sitting still comperted to the speed it moves away from us .now if I was to watch over a hour the moon head to earth at them speed how many time would the earth spin .if the moon was to get here from where it is with in a year yes no hope at all , that's only 365 revs but if it takes 1000 years that's 365000 rev .its only take a couple 1000 house power to move the earth of it axis a little so the moon would be less....

Why does it matter how long it takes for the Moon to reach the Earth? The actual impact itself will last only a moment.

And I sed about a super cooling to make the surface stronger

(1) How exactly do you think that making the surface of the Earth colder will make it stronger? If you put a rock in the freezer, how much stronger do you think it will become and why?
(2) How do you propose that this hypothetical "super cooling" of yours is created? Stirring up a liquid will add kinetic energy to it, ultimately causing its temperature to increase (assuming it isn't hotter than other surrounding matter such as air and stone). The temperature will become much greater once the Moon reaches the Earth's atmosphere. Adiabatic heating caused by the entry will massively increase the air temperature.

they say b4 the first ice age they wasn't really much ice then some how have a ice age with cycles , so to me something happen on a massive long scale not a short scale .wouldnt the thickness and temp of the surface need to be charge permanently not a event smashing the surface apart rasing surface temps

So you think that automatically means that the Moon impacting the Earth was the cause of the Ice Ages? That's an unfounded conclusion. There are other more rational ways that the Earth can go through cooling periods such as clouds from large volcanic eruptions or changing ocean currents due to plate tectonics.

Also what if the surface was cooler and thicker that when it did crack it was like when u step on ice and brake though where the ice brakes around ur foot but not under the foot leaving a hole peace with the imprint of ur sole on it

Once again, how does the surface being cooler help with anything? The analogy with ice is flawed because it assumes that the forces involved are relatively small. When two astronomical bodies collide, the forces are anything but small.

now say when the moon hit it broke the same way but with  laws of physics of gravity around 0 sin  u got  a reverse gravity

Wait, how do you figure gravity is going to reverse? Based on what reasoning? One of the functions which affects the strength of gravitational attraction is the distance involved. As the Moon and Earth get closer, the strength of the gravitational attraction between them will increase exponentially (gravity is a square law force, halving the distance between two bodies increases the attraction between them four-fold). At the moment of impact, the attraction will be stronger than at any other time when it was heading towards the Earth.

,so now laws of physics of motion is pushing out and exploding between the moo and earth .all I'm saying is just maybe ...... Maybe when u look up at the moon and c the round dark spots that make the man in moon maybe they r presser marks

Now you're invoking a magical explosion that can push the Earth and Moon apart? Where does the explosion come from? Do you realize just how much energy would be required to separate such large objects? You're going to need quite a potent energy source to create such an explosion. You'd also need to explain why such a titanic energy burst wouldn't massively damage the Earth and Moon in the process.

We can calculate the energy required to accelerate an object with the mass of the Moon to the escape velocity of Earth:

E_k = 0.5mv²
E_k = 0.5 x (7.3477 x 10²² kilograms) x (11,186 meters per second)²
E_k = 4.597 x 10³⁰ joules

To put that in perspective, this is between 10 million and 100 million times the energy released during the impact of the Chicxulub meoteorite. It's estimated that 75% or more of extant life at the time was killed by that impact. What would an explosion millions of times greater in magnitude cause? Technically, the energy required is somewhat lower than what is calculated, since we are not sending the Moon off into deep space but merely raising it into a high orbit (~239,000 miles away). Nonetheless, this calculation demonstrates that the required energy to do that is still incredible.

We have a much more plausible explanation for the Lunar seas than this "Earth Collision Theory", and that is that a large asteroid impact pierced the Moon's crust in the past, causing molten rock to flow onto the surface and solidify into relatively smooth, dark patches on the surface.

You seem to be saying "maybe" an awful lot. That doesn't make you sound very confident in your own assertions.

Also everyone talking about comets hit the earth, but they r high speed impacts ,the moon hitting will be a low speed impact witch makes all the differents .tap a peace of glass with a marble and most likely do nothing but throw it at the glass and it shatters along with the marble ,it makes all the differents

How do you know it will be a "low speed impact"? Have you calculated how fast the Moon would be moving? It's irrelevant anyway, as I explained before that the major force holding the Earth together is gravitational attraction and not material strength. A marble and a piece of glass get their shape and strength from molecular bonds. The difference is all down to scaling laws. The two situations are not at all comparable.

What I'm saying about gravity is as the moon start to slowly move towards earth first the water wood slowly be dragged to below the closes point to the moon but with the earth still spinning below the water keeping it stured sand stoping it going hard,pressing the water cooler and denser than the deeps past of the ocean now.

Nope. Stirring a liquid will make it hotter (assuming it is in thermal equilibrium with the air). See what I said above. Also, water is very resistant to being compressed, so that's a factor that can be ignored here. By the way, compression makes things hotter, not cooler.

when the moon get much closer it gravity on earth wood get much stronger .same as earth on the moons gravity .changing the way gravity is acting at the closes points of the 2 ,making earth act like the moon and the moon acting like having 0 gravity.

Nope again. I explained this earlier.

now at some point laws of physics of motion on the earth surface would come in to play , sins we spin at 1650 kmh and if any object moving away from this planet at them speed it's only leaving earth

1,650 kilometers per hour is far below the escape velocity of the Earth (which is actually in excess of 40,000 kilometers per hour). Not that it matters anyway, as the Moon and Earth are moving towards each other in this hypothetical scenario and not away from each other.

so now when the moon hit u got pressers and explosive forces pushing the moon away coz laws of physics of motion is trying to push the earth surface out coz of the lower gravity afect ,it don't need to be neat just got to work

This seems to be a summary of what you've said before, so I've already explained why this is wrong.

[Missynmax83]

ok thats long so ill do bit by bit ....with the water like i sed it wood be like a super tide having it weight change by the moon so it can start to stack it self on top of it self . now the heighter it get it will get colder and try to freeze but being miked by the earth spinning (like a frozen coke machine)now every thing u say is true 99% and i know that but im talking about that 1% of maybe....the speed the moon coming does matter yes its will happen for just 1 moment thats all im saying them have to hold out for but hoiw long the moon gets here does matter sins it will give the moon time sitting in earth  atmosphere and in the very water cooling the earth. yes a rock will not get stronger in the freezer but im talking about is more like a length of hot steel or rock being frozen at one end ,after some time the cool will transure from 1 end to the other,with earth  that would be a thicking of the surface .now u r sayin how bi the explosion will be when the surfaces do brake .the differents this time its got a lot of water around it and we know what happens when u put a water pack on explosives comperd to no water pack ,so for the very 1st moment the water should be containing the explosion and directing 2 ways up and down........and it not the moon who need to not to have it surface completely shatted only earth making it go away with minimal damage

[Missynmax83]

ice age was a maybe and could be added with the rest

[Missynmax83]

i know compression make thing hot its how a diesal engine works im saying water can be really cold when dense ,the deeps parts of the ocean show that . im not talking about the earth and moons gravity on its self im talking about what on them (water that does change )and maybe the surface and some of what under it will have the same affect happen ,now adding motion pushing out its adds more again

[Missynmax83]

40000 kmh i know that but isnt that for going around the earth so ur side way force = u free fall force so u can sit a single height from earth .im talk about the presser behind the surface leaving the planet straight out. pressers now giving extra support to the surface (with it being thicker) 

[Missynmax83]

Also wouldn't there atomic try explodes in the same way a gun try atomic bomb works plus compression . when the surface cracks around the impact witch is  surrounded by water .and like the same way a comet can explode b4 impact couldn't it explode but this time is not just 1 chuck of matter its much bigger and over and over ,,,, for 1 moment u have a natural internal combustion event

[Missynmax83]

I say maybe not coz I don't really think it could happen .i say maybe coz right now it seems to be only impossible but all it need to be is a maybe to possible of happening .to tell the truth intill a hour b4 wrighting on here I have never thought this could or had happened sins no one has ever sed anything about it .but after having a little look at whAt moon truth was talking about I thought it was possible and I want to work out if it can happen sins it can make sense

[distimpson]

..The mainstream is stuck in the mainstream, with no way to get out, not without admitting they were wrong about everything in the past.

No question, "wrong about everything" is a tough sell, after several hundred years of effort the various accepted theories survive because of agreement with observations.

First question, how could this happen? As the other folks here have mentioned, a bouncing mechanism is not viable.

You could use a gravity simulator to come up with a mechanism but you would have to assume the work of Newton and others has some merit. I really like this site, !!caution!!, if you think science is fun you may find it very additive: http://www.testtubegames.com/gravity.html

Neglecting all other physical effects and making a lot of other assumptions, a"kissing orbit" may fit but I think that would have been noticed by now, so only offered here for fun:

[Missynmax83]

kissing orbit does fit best ,and it proble has been notice many time but that is as far as it goes coz even b4 they look in to it they say the surface of the moon and earth wouldnt hold out so its desmisted and not given the time

[Missynmax83]

also with the event of a mar size planet hitting us.if a eart quake can move the earth orbit axis by a couple of cms and if possable it would only take a couple 1000 horse power to move the earth .so if it did happn with out the object being part of ow orbit wouldnt it have massive afects on where ow orbit. wouldnt we  way to close to the sun or way to far from the sun .wouldnt that have massive temp changes not the little changes that we can c.also wouldnt it be a bit like it is with the moon ,u can jump a little but jump to much woooops.so with what im saying with a oject on a diffenent orbit hitting us wouldnt it be very clear to tell.the only other this would be earth had a second moon but again wouldnt to clear to tell...and if we where to be hit on ow side wouldnt we be aball to tell coz the earth would be out of sync with the other planets.....also so this would only be miner but as the moon spin around earth would the suns gravity have affect to .not much but a little bit of destorion