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yes, it seems that inside a black hole, the big bang, and many other things modern physics or math can not explain exactly these events in any great detail, and it leads to millions of "best guesses". but it is fun to imagine... I think the best approach is too keep it as simple as possible, keep it eternal and infinite.
the big bang is as believable as saying, God created it all.
I think the best approach is too keep it as simple as possible, keep it eternal and infinite.
Quote from: Emc2 on 26/08/2012 00:45:30yes, it seems that inside a black hole, the big bang, and many other things modern physics or math can not explain exactly these events in any great detail, and it leads to millions of "best guesses". but it is fun to imagine... I think the best approach is too keep it as simple as possible, keep it eternal and infinite.Yes but your simple - eternal and infinite will not explain observations; where did the cmbr come from, why are we in a universe of expanding acceleration, why do we see a cosmology of stars that fits with qm predictions and a universe of a finite age, why aren't all the stars gone out having burnt up fuel.Arguments from lack of understanding and incredulity are not gonna get you far. the big bang is a highly predictive and successful theory of the early moments of the universe. no one claims it deals with the beginning - we know we need a working theory of quantum gravity to deal with anything before or during the planck era. the physicists involved in early cosmology or black holes do a lot more than guess - amongst other they try to mathematically model and produce systems that create the outcomes that we can observe; its not perfect but it isn't guessing either.
Quote from: Emc2 on 25/08/2012 08:00:35the big bang is as believable as saying, God created it all.Any theory beyond our ability to experimentally verify is as believable as saying God created it all.Quote from: Emc2 on 26/08/2012 00:45:30I think the best approach is too keep it as simple as possible, keep it eternal and infinite.If you're keeping it simple, then you should be going with the most obvious answer based on observation. An eternal and infinite universe would mean we'd have to find complicated answers for everything we observe.There is also an inherent (and somewhat semantic) contradiction in excluding a possibility in favour of an infinite universe. If you are truly prepared to embrace infinity (and I'm not sure our fleshy brain matter is actually capable of doing so), then you have to open yourself up to everything being possible - including a big bang. I think we are limited in thinking about time and space as "all there is". The big bang theory doesn't deny an infinite universe, it just helps us understand the one that produced us. It's possible that something else took the place of time and space "before" or "outside" the big bang, but it's probably not something we will ever have access to.It's fun to think about though!
an infinite universe in size, does not dictate matter can not have a maximum size +/-, matter already appears to enjoy 2 sets of rules, one on the sub atomic level, and one once matter achieves mass., think of it this way.