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Your wicked denigrating statement that some chimps are intellectually more superior to some humans ...is worst than racism by the way :In fact , superior or inferior judgements of value have no meaning , in evolutionary terms .
Mummy :I have just discovered a brilliant fact = we are just machines: I am a genius ,and the rest are so lower than chimps intellectually haha You are machines indeed , how can i disagree with that fact , silly me .What ,on earth, am i doing here talking to ...machines indeed ? haha Why not talk to my tv set or to my dog instead = that might turn out to be more fruitfuil and more intelligent than talking to you as self-declared and actual machines ,who knows .Pathetic SadTragic
This western materialistic secular atheistic civilization has been taking over this planet and humanity for so long now that it is about time indeed to deliver both this planet and humanity from the tyranny of this so-called civilization ,despite the latter's huge material scientific and technological advances , a so-called civilization that has been turning humans into just consumptive superficial hollow machines zombies indeed , with no consciousness whatsoever ,depriving most humans of their fundamental primary quality of them all = consciousness ,in the process .I have the feeling our planet have been taken over by apes, by western mechanical Eurocentric mainstream racist paternalistic imperialist white apes zombies , to be more precize ,ironically enough = the planet of the mechanical white apes zombies ,mechanical white apes zombies humanity gotta be liberated from, sooner or later= inevitable = just a matter of time thus ............Real apes animals out there in your natural habitat : i am sorry for offending you indeed ,by calling others by your names : i know you would understand ...
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 11/09/2013 21:43:27This western materialistic secular atheistic civilization has been taking over this planet and humanity for so long now that it is about time indeed to deliver both this planet and humanity from the tyranny of this so-called civilization ,despite the latter's huge material scientific and technological advances , a so-called civilization that has been turning humans into just consumptive superficial hollow machines zombies indeed , with no consciousness whatsoever ,depriving most humans of their fundamental primary quality of them all = consciousness ,in the process .I have the feeling our planet have been taken over by apes, by western mechanical Eurocentric mainstream racist paternalistic imperialist white apes zombies , to be more precize ,ironically enough = the planet of the mechanical white apes zombies ,mechanical white apes zombies humanity gotta be liberated from, sooner or later= inevitable = just a matter of time thus ............Real apes animals out there in your natural habitat : i am sorry for offending you indeed ,by calling others by your names : i know you would understand ...So what's the plan? - or was that just more empty rhetoric?.
... it's clear that further discussion is pointless because of the trolling style of posts which have now become the main event.For this reason, I'm out.
I haven't called in a mod. I just think that when a thread starts attempting to commit suicide repeatedly like this one, it may be kindest just to help it on its way. I've given up a significant amount of my time to share some ideas with someone who was asking for such ideas, and while for a time he appeared to be modifying his position in some places, he now appears to have thrown away all his gains and retreated back into his original position. I have no complaint about that whatsoever, but it's clear that further discussion is pointless because of the trolling style of posts which have now become the main event.For this reason, I'm out.
Quote from: David Cooper on 12/09/2013 15:46:10... it's clear that further discussion is pointless because of the trolling style of posts which have now become the main event.For this reason, I'm out.
Yup, that about sums it up.
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Quote from: cheryl j on 12/09/2013 19:18:07What is "science proper" ? How does science work without empirical evidence and reproducible results? Even physics, one of the most theoretical areas of the physical sciences, uses empirical observations and measurements to confirm mathematical propositions or conclusions generated by thought experiments. It may, as in the case of Einstein and relativity, take technology decades to catch up with theory, but empirical experiments are eventually done. And when there are contradictions, it causes a lot of head scratching and consternation. But they don't just ignore the data.
What is "science proper" ? How does science work without empirical evidence and reproducible results? Even physics, one of the most theoretical areas of the physical sciences, uses empirical observations and measurements to confirm mathematical propositions or conclusions generated by thought experiments. It may, as in the case of Einstein and relativity, take technology decades to catch up with theory, but empirical experiments are eventually done. And when there are contradictions, it causes a lot of head scratching and consternation. But they don't just ignore the data.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 12/09/2013 19:16:52Great minds discuss ideasA lot of big ideas from great minds were proven wrong by Quoteempirical evidence and careful observation of seemingly small and insignificant events.[/quote
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Quote from: DonQuichotte on 11/09/2013 20:37:22Mummy :I have just discovered a brilliant fact = we are just machines: I am a genius ,and the rest are so lower than chimps intellectually haha You are machines indeed , how can i disagree with that fact , silly me .What ,on earth, am i doing here talking to ...machines indeed ? haha Why not talk to my tv set or to my dog instead = that might turn out to be more fruitfuil and more intelligent than talking to you as self-declared and actual machines ,who knows .Pathetic SadTragicI was wondering when you'd start this again...
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 11/09/2013 19:26:56Your wicked denigrating statement that some chimps are intellectually more superior to some humans ...is worst than racism by the way :In fact , superior or inferior judgements of value have no meaning , in evolutionary terms .This is just nonsense - if superior or inferior value judgements have no meaning, how can they be wicked, denigrating, and worse than racism?Nevertheless, even in healthy individuals at their peak, the average chimp is intellectually superior (i.e. can outperform) the the average human in memory tests. Of course, humans can outperform chimps in many other intellectual tasks - and, of course, plenty of other animals have better memories than we do. Nothing says human intellect is necessarily special. It's no big deal - a slime-mould can navigate a maze more efficiently than most humans; OTOH it can't write a poem.
It's nothing to do with racism. If you were going to accuse him of anything, it would be specism, but that's something else entirely.
QuoteQuote from: cheryl j on 12/09/2013 19:18:07What is "science proper" ? How does science work without empirical evidence and reproducible results? Even physics, one of the most theoretical areas of the physical sciences, uses empirical observations and measurements to confirm mathematical propositions or conclusions generated by thought experiments. It may, as in the case of Einstein and relativity, take technology decades to catch up with theory, but empirical experiments are eventually done. And when there are contradictions, it causes a lot of head scratching and consternation. But they don't just ignore the data.Well, darling :When you're gonna learn to separate between materialism as just a world view and science , when you will learn to separate science from the materialistic interpretations of science ,when you will learn to separate materialistic world views and materialistic approaches from science results and from scientific approaches , then , and only then , you will be able to understand what i was saying all along .Our physical brain might be just a receiver , in almost the same fashion as the tv set is just a receiver of tv signals, tv signals that stop getting received by that tv set when the tv set or some parts of it at least cease to function or are damaged ...= no comparison, just an analogy .Does that mean that the tv set used to create those tv signals or images when it used to function ? Need more examples or rather analogies? .Just shoot .
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