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C'mon, these are interesting experimental results; you said there are non-materialist interpretations of them - such as what? what is your interpretation?
Quote from: dlorde on 07/12/2013 20:49:39Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 18:31:04Non-materialists might interpret those experiments totally differently , as they do actually .... you said there are non-materialist interpretations of them - such as what? what is your interpretation?There are none ...
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 18:31:04Non-materialists might interpret those experiments totally differently , as they do actually .... you said there are non-materialist interpretations of them - such as what? what is your interpretation?
Non-materialists might interpret those experiments totally differently , as they do actually .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 21:12:02Quote from: dlorde on 07/12/2013 20:49:39Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 18:31:04Non-materialists might interpret those experiments totally differently , as they do actually .... you said there are non-materialist interpretations of them - such as what? what is your interpretation?There are none ...[]'Nuff said.
... life is too short .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 20:37:57... life is too short .If "Consciousness Survives Death" as your guru claims then life is not short it's indefinitely long.
Quote from: dlorde on 07/12/2013 21:27:18Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 21:12:02Quote from: dlorde on 07/12/2013 20:49:39Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 18:31:04Non-materialists might interpret those experiments totally differently , as they do actually .... you said there are non-materialist interpretations of them - such as what? what is your interpretation?There are none ...[]'Nuff said.Tou-che............................
In short :The image of the process is not the cause of the process .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 04/12/2013 18:29:31 the mental is more fundamental than matter How do you know this? Do you believe that before there were humans to think about the universe, nothing existed or could exist?
the mental is more fundamental than matter
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 07/12/2013 18:58:13In short :The image of the process is not the cause of the process .Ironically, this is an unfalsifiable statement that could be applied to anything, even Popper's example of Einstein's prediction about the effect of gravity on light, and the experiment that confirmed it. No matter what evidence is presented it allows you say there is no causal relationship. But if one really believes that to be the case, it should apply logically to any immaterial process as well.
Don't quote me out of context , pleaseI said there is no scientific interpretation of those experiments you did mention earlier
You're confusing apples with oranges , lady :Einstein's example was about pure physical phenomena ,
It is in fact very convenient for materialists to assume that "all is matter ,including the mind ", and hence "the mind is in the brain , or the mind is just brain acivity ", and then, they misinterpret scientific experiments on the subject , in order to make them fit into that false materialist unfalsifiable a-priori held concepion of nature .
It is in fact very convenient for materialists to assume that "all is matter ,including the mind ", and hence "the mind is in the brain , or the mind is just brain acivity ", and then, they misinterpret scientific experiments on the subject , in order to make them fit into that false materialist unfalsifiable a-priori held concepion of nature
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 08/12/2013 20:17:57You're confusing apples with oranges , lady :Einstein's example was about pure physical phenomena ,By what criteria do you distinguish "purely physical" phenomena from some other kind? Again, how do you know that any physical causal relationship isn't just "the image" of the process, a "misinterpretation" of what's really happening because of some unknown underlying process - resulting in an infinite regression of "unknown" "underlying" causes.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 08/12/2013 20:17:57It is in fact very convenient for materialists to assume that "all is matter ,including the mind ", and hence "the mind is in the brain , or the mind is just brain acivity ", and then, they misinterpret scientific experiments on the subject , in order to make them fit into that false materialist unfalsifiable a-priori held concepion of natureSo what, in your view, is the correct interpretation of those experiments?