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Quote from: DonQuichotte on 29/12/2013 20:49:43Untill then , just continue having fun and be satisfied with what you have been seeing from reality through the materialist key hole version of reality , while assuming that that's all what there is to reality : it's up to you indeed .Since you have been liberated from materialism and can see beyond the key hole, it seems odd to me that you can't describe very much about the wonderful new vistas it has opened up for you, and that other liberated scientists can't seem to either, other than to whine on and on about how materialism is false. When does the immaterial party actually get started?
Untill then , just continue having fun and be satisfied with what you have been seeing from reality through the materialist key hole version of reality , while assuming that that's all what there is to reality : it's up to you indeed .
Quote from: cheryl j on 30/12/2013 15:48:12Quote from: DonQuichotte on 29/12/2013 20:49:43Untill then , just continue having fun and be satisfied with what you have been seeing from reality through the materialist key hole version of reality , while assuming that that's all what there is to reality : it's up to you indeed .Since you have been liberated from materialism and can see beyond the key hole, it seems odd to me that you can't describe very much about the wonderful new vistas it has opened up for you, and that other liberated scientists can't seem to either, other than to whine on and on about how materialism is false. When does the immaterial party actually get started?Ohhh goodie, goodie, goodie, we're going to have a party. I think I'll come dressed in my birthday suit. That shouldn't bother anyone there because my everyday set of cloths isn't material either. Should make not difference, in fact, why even go to the party? Nobody's there, just waves of immaterial nothingness. Only waves of the indescribable, non measureable, ghostly apparitional disconnected consciousness from the unconscious realm of Doctor Don.
The mind is incapable of understanding consciousness. It is like explaining 4 and 5 dimensions to humans in a 2 dimension world. That is why it is so difficult for human mind to fathom the depth. Human minds logic are made of thoughts. Consciousness is beyond that. But mind is the only link to understanding consciousness. How? By focusing or concentrating only on that, devoid of other distractions. Then only mind becomes one with the True Self (Consciousness). It is again like being in the 5 dimension and you are very capable of what is all about in lower dimensions ie... only after knowing what the True Self is, you are capable of what the wakeup world and dream world is all about. Even when you are aware of the True Self, it is hard to explain to people who do not have that understanding because language and logic is insufficient. It is like explaining extraterrestrials' how a banana taste like when they never tasted nor know what it is.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 29/12/2013 17:21:37It's ok not to read my posts , i am not offended by that , although i have to admit i have been repeating almost the same things over and over again : i have been having no choice but to do just that , and that's not been all i have been doing here either .I am still reading chunks of your posts when they're quoted by others - pressure of work makes it impossible to find all the best bits directly, so I'm taking advantage of the work others are doing in identifying them for me. I'm doubtless missing a few gems here and there as a result, but I'm sure they'll all come round again.
It's ok not to read my posts , i am not offended by that , although i have to admit i have been repeating almost the same things over and over again : i have been having no choice but to do just that , and that's not been all i have been doing here either .
QuoteAll the best , and happy non-materialist and non-mechanical haha creative new year by the way to you and to all your beloved ones as well .And the same to you, and everyone else in this thread, with the "non-"s retained or removed as appropriate.
All the best , and happy non-materialist and non-mechanical haha creative new year by the way to you and to all your beloved ones as well .
QuoteP.S.: It would be interesting and fascinating to try to tell us about your creative work ,from time to time , so, we can have at least some sort of a glimpse of that .Despite its undeniable falsehood ,the mechanistic view of the world has been delivering some interesting insights , ideas , breakthroughs , inspirations ....anyway .I'll get it in front of you sooner by not stopping to describe it now. If you have access to a copy of Lewis Carroll's book Symbolic Logic, starting from book XIII, chapter III there are some rather nice logic problems which I am currently trying to get a machine to solve. It turns out that the first one can be solved using just four transformations and using only premisses 6, 9 and 10, so the puzzles themselves are being ripped apart by the mechanical analysis which I'm applying to them. The process is 100% mechanistic. The only thing that's a problem to explain in us is sentience, so you're wasting your time whenever you argue that reason, thought and language are anything more than mechanistic processes.
P.S.: It would be interesting and fascinating to try to tell us about your creative work ,from time to time , so, we can have at least some sort of a glimpse of that .Despite its undeniable falsehood ,the mechanistic view of the world has been delivering some interesting insights , ideas , breakthroughs , inspirations ....anyway .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 29/12/2013 19:06:16Yeah, right : just start insulting when you cannot do any better .LOL! that was no insult, "just hard talk = my own expression of tough love for you as a fellow human being" [] Like I said, such a short memory... remember this, and this?
Yeah, right : just start insulting when you cannot do any better .
Have fun , and happy healthy new year for your body brain and non-physical paradoxical confused mind beyond materialism , Ethos .All the best .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 30/12/2013 18:40:50Have fun , and happy healthy new year for your body brain and non-physical paradoxical confused mind beyond materialism , Ethos .All the best .Happy New Year to you as well Doc. Don..........Don't drink too much Vodka, it's effects are very destructive where consciousness is concerned.
I do appreciate your excerpts, but at the same time find it frustrating that they all seem to cite examples in the vaguest of terms. Quantum mechanics or the immaterial explains X. How? In what way? What's the process? Show me the steps, the links. That was, it seemed to me, Cooper's problem with neuroscience - the links between neural correlates and mental activity were not tight enough for him. So why is it not a problem with quantum mechanics? Show me how quantum mechanics generates dreams, thoughts, memories, hopes, love, jokes, emotions, imagination, dreams, qualia, etc.
Show me how quantum mechanics generates dreams, thoughts, memories, hopes, love, jokes, emotions, imagination, dreams, qualia, etc.
QuoteShow me how quantum mechanics generates dreams, thoughts, memories, hopes, love, jokes, emotions, imagination, dreams, qualia, etc.Hypothesis: (a) Quantum mechanics determines the shape of molecules and (b) hence the structure and function of our brains, (c) in which all these other things are made.
PHENOMENA QUANTUM MECHANICAL MODELS OF MIND CAN EXPLAIN:Does a dualistic, non-materialistic model of mind-brain interaction account for the observed factsbetter than a materialistic model? The answer is clearly yes: such a model can account for severalphenomena that remain utterly inexplicable by materialism.
Something tells me that is not the direction he is headed.
How can something nonspatial, with no mass, location, or physical dimensions, possiblyinfluence spatially bound matter?
Of course, we know now that the universe is not a closed system and that the collapse of the wavefunction—a physical event—is linked with an antecedent mental event.
: you have to get rid of your illusory self , if you wanna reach the true enlightenment .