[smart]

The last picture I posted clearly shows that the aerosol is injected using a nozzle.

Educate yourself and stop posting disinformation.

[Bored chemist]

The last picture I posted clearly shows that the aerosol is injected using a nozzle.

Educate yourself and stop posting disinformation.

Stop lying.
The last pic you posted was almost entirely sky. A small part of it was a plane. Behind the plane was a vapour trail. there's absolutely no way that you could see any "nozzle" on that picture- you can barely see the engines.
Did you mean that the trail from the left wing was from this magic nozzle or did you mean the one from the right wing?


Come back when you have actual evidence.

[smart]

You're either blind or unable to recognize that the chemtrail plume is coming from the rear part of the plane. On this picture two nozzles seems used to inject the aerosol into the atmosphere. 

[Bored chemist]

You're either blind or unable to recognize that the chemtrail plume is coming from the rear part of the plane. On this picture two nozzles seems used to inject the aerosol into the atmosphere.

I zoomed in on that picture.
You can see that the trails originate in "mid air" between the jets and the tail. Exactly where they should do  because they are caused when the jet output mixes with the cooler air.
It's you who can't see the truth.

[smart]

Commercial planes don't emit such thick white plume. As you suggested, it seems possible the jet fuel mix with the substance to create this plume.

[smart]

http://www.google.com.na/patents/US20080256852
"Integrated process and apparatus for producing coal-based jet fuel, diesel fuel, and distillate fuels."

Ok, I think its possible that coal fly ash could be used as a combustion additive for military aircrafts.

Google "JP-900 jet fuel" and "The Coal-Based Jet Fuel Program".

http://www.energy.psu.edu/sites/default/files/files/JetFuels.pdf

[smart]

Thanks for your help, Bored chemist.

[Bored chemist]

Whatever is coming out of the back of the engines (and let's be clear- there is no reason on earth to assume it's anyhthing but CO2 and water and a bit of NOx) it's forming that cloud a little way back from the engine. That's consistent with cooling and condensation- which is exactly what you would expect form a jet engine burning jet fuel.
The only thing that needs to be mixed with the fuel to achieve this is air.

However you make unsupported statements like "Commercial planes don't emit such thick white plume. "
And then pretend that your circular argument is evidence.
The best you have managed so far is the logical fallacy pitifully referred to as "Proof by shouting".

Why not go away and come back if you find some evidence?

[smart]

The only thing that needs to be mixed with the fuel to achieve this is air.

No. Coal-based jet fuel is based on combustion ash (JP-900).
 

However you make unsupported statements like "Commercial planes don't emit such thick white plume. "

True. Commercial planes uses standard jet fuel (Jet A-1).

I suppose the JP-900 is the evidence behind the "aerosolized coal-fly-ash" hypothesis.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=68004   

[Bored chemist]

You cite a thread that says
"In particular, there will be none of the minerals that produce fly ash when coal is burnt in power stations, so it is not a secret plot to produce chemtrails."
and pretend that it says the exact opposite.
You are clearly trolling.


The JP900 story is a progression from the Sasol project.
http://www.sasol.com/media-centre/media-releases/sasol-produces-15-billion-barrels-synthetic-fuel-coal-fifty-years

It uses coal (not ash) to make  jet fuel
The ash gets left on the ground.
It's not some daft way of getting ash into the atmosphere- coal fired power stations already do that- it's a way of making (expensive) jet fuel from (cheap) coal.

Incidentally, this thread no longer shows up in the list of recent threads, presumably because someone somewhere has realised you were dirtying up the site with your nonsense.

[chiralSPO]

Interesting and very relevant article:
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/8/084011

[smart]

Interesting and very relevant article:
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/8/084011

There's nothing new there. Ken Caldeira is a leading scientist actively implicated in the research and
development of  geoengineering technology. However, at least this study suggest that the majority of "experts" are
unable to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail.

[chiralSPO]

Interesting and very relevant article:
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/8/084011

There's nothing new there. Ken Caldeira is a leading scientist actively implicated in the research and
development of  geoengineering technology. However, at least this study suggest that the majority of "experts" are
unable to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail.

You're right, it's actually a conspiracy involving 2 billion people spending 17 trillion dollars per year so we can extinguish the other 5 billion people in the world and own the whole planet. It's a major pity it will involve destroying the entire biosphere, but I'm sure we can fix it for another few trillion dollars per year over a decade or two. Anything to remove those amongst us who are not supposed to live in the New World!

Oh, no! Did I just spill the beans? No matter, the atmosphere will be saturated in barium in a matter of days, and then it won't matter... bwahahaha bwahahaha BWAHAHAHAHA

psych!

[smart]

Thank you for serving me my daily dose of naked deception... I was hoping to have a open minded discussion about chemtrails with you.

[Bored chemist]

However, at least this study suggest that the majority of "experts" are
unable to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail.

You seem to have forgotten that you also showed that you were unable to tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail.

In fact it seems that nobody can reliably spot any difference at all.
That's consistent with the idea that chemtrails don't exist.
Do you have any actual evidence that they exist?
You certainly have not provided any so far, even though I have asked repeatedly.

[smart]

You seem to have forgotten that you also showed that you were unable to tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail.

In fact it seems that nobody can reliably spot any difference at all.
That's consistent with the idea that chemtrails don't exist.
Do you have any actual evidence that they exist?
You certainly have not provided any so far, even though I have asked repeatedly.

Well, since you ignore photographic evidences, it's likely that you can confuse a chemtrail with a contrail. As for your usual wishful thinking that chemtrails don't exist, it's possible that the chemical composition of the aerosolized jet fuel produces a photochemical reaction making chemtrails hard to notice. However, the high altitude "thick white plumes" released from an aircraft is an undeniable evidence of clandestine geoengineering activity.

Commercial aircrafts don't emit thick white plumes, period.

So, either the aerosolized jet fuel is engineered to produces secondary organic aerosols from coal-based combustion or a synthetic additive is being added to the fuel to produces a photochemical reaction at high altitude.

[Bored chemist]

I supplied some.
You made it clear that you couldn't tell if it was a chemtrail or not.

"Commercial aircrafts don't emit thick white plumes, period."
Yes they do.
For example the ones in various pictures in this thread.

[smart]

I supplied some.
You made it clear that you couldn't tell if it was a chemtrail or not.

"Commercial aircrafts don't emit thick white plumes, period."
Yes they do.
For example the ones in various pictures in this thread.

Haha. Nice disinformation, sir.

I challenge you to take a picture of a flying commercial aircraft releasing a thick white plume...

Meanwhile, I believe readers will assume that clandestine geoengineering activity is real.

[chiralSPO]

Meanwhile, I believe readers will assume that clandestine geoengineering activity is real.

Poor assumption. I think you are projecting your own beliefs on other readers.

You still have offered no significant evidence that planes are being used to spray noxious chemicals for the purpose of geoengineering, no solid explanation of the motives of those doing this, let alone who "they" are or how they are paying for such a massive undertaking, or why the rest of the world is letting it happen (believe me, if it could be shown that the US was trying to alter the atmosphere for some nefarious reason, Russia would knock our chemtrailing planes right out of the sky; and if you think that Russia and US are working together on a big secret plan, you are crazier than I thought)

In short: we still don't know from your posts who is trying to do what, and why. Furthermore, the "how" falls short on many levels (as shown by other members here): planes couldn't possibly put enough coal ash into the atmosphere to do anything substantial without there being an enormous fleet of them constantly criss-crossing the sky, carrying nothing other than toxic dust (and who is paying for that?). Coal power plants are already releasing tons (millions of tons) of particulates into the atmosphere, and people are working to reduce that, not increase it. That some people are trying to make jet fuel out of coal does not help your arguments, because the jet fuel they make has the properties of jet fuel, not coal...

Maybe if you offered something more valid, there would be something worth discussing, but as it stands this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

[smart]

Poor assumption. I think you are projecting your own beliefs on other readers.

You still have offered no significant evidence that planes are being used to spray noxious chemicals for the purpose of geoengineering, no solid explanation of the motives of those doing this, let alone who "they" are or how they are paying for such a massive undertaking, or why the rest of the world is letting it happen (believe me, if it could be shown that the US was trying to alter the atmosphere for some nefarious reason, Russia would knock our chemtrailing planes right out of the sky; and if you think that Russia and US are working together on a big secret plan, you are crazier than I thought)

In short: we still don't know from your posts who is trying to do what, and why. Furthermore, the "how" falls short on many levels (as shown by other members here): planes couldn't possibly put enough coal ash into the atmosphere to do anything substantial without there being an enormous fleet of them constantly criss-crossing the sky, carrying nothing other than toxic dust (and who is paying for that?). Coal power plants are already releasing tons (millions of tons) of particulates into the atmosphere, and people are working to reduce that, not increase it. That some people are trying to make jet fuel out of coal does not help your arguments, because the jet fuel they make has the properties of jet fuel, not coal...

Maybe if you offered something more valid, there would be something worth discussing, but as it stands this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

It's the US who is doing geoengineering in NATO countries, including Canada. However, since the US and Canada have signed the ENMOD treaty, it is considered a clandestine activity because stratospheric aerosol injection is prohibited.

Whether Russia allow clandestine geoengineering activity would make a great thread, in my opinion:
http://yournewswire.com/putin-accuses-u-s-of-spraying-poisonous-chemtrails-over-syria/

As for the "coal fly ash" hypothesis, I believe it make sense that coal power plants have found in geoengineering a profitable way to sell coal fly ash to the US government. This criminal activity would violates the Clean Air Act I presume, but since it's a military program, I guess the US senate has no control over US military operations.

I think you need to wake up. There's plenty of photographic evidences of suspicious chemtrails over the Internet. It's only a matter of time now until the legality of clandestine geoengineering activity gets challenged.