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The universe as a two state sytem
« on: 05/12/2013 06:27:23 »
The anomaly between the amounts of matter and anti-matter have never been satisfactorily explained. What if there are two distinct states present throughout the universe? In one state matter exists and anti-matter is pushed apart by gravitation. In the other state anti-matter exists and matter is pushed apart by an equivalent force. Thus we see our universe expanding but can not see the anti-matter. In the anti-matter state that universe is expanding but the matter universe is invisible. In the anti-matter universe gravitation would be equivalent to dark matter.

If such a thing could exist the anti-photon could be undetectable in an environment composed of matter.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #1 on: 05/12/2013 07:16:10 »
I will continue once the results of this experiment are in.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/science/cern-scientists-to-look-for-antigravity_893840.html
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #2 on: 05/12/2013 19:53:21 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 05/12/2013 07:16:10
I will continue once the results of this experiment are in.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/science/cern-scientists-to-look-for-antigravity_893840.html
Interesting link Jeff, we anxiously await the results.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #3 on: 06/12/2013 08:16:43 »
Quote from: Ethos_ on 05/12/2013 19:53:21
Quote from: jeffreyH on 05/12/2013 07:16:10
I will continue once the results of this experiment are in.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/science/cern-scientists-to-look-for-antigravity_893840.html
Interesting link Jeff, we anxiously await the results.

Could there be an anti-photon? All other particles have anti-particles.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #4 on: 07/12/2013 00:32:34 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 06/12/2013 08:16:43
Quote from: Ethos_ on 05/12/2013 19:53:21
Quote from: jeffreyH on 05/12/2013 07:16:10
I will continue once the results of this experiment are in.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/science/cern-scientists-to-look-for-antigravity_893840.html
Interesting link Jeff, we anxiously await the results.

Could there be an anti-photon? All other particles have anti-particles.
The photon is thought to be it's own anti-particle. This is reasoned because the photon has no charge.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #5 on: 07/12/2013 17:13:31 »
Quote from: Ethos_ on 07/12/2013 00:32:34
Quote from: jeffreyH on 06/12/2013 08:16:43
Quote from: Ethos_ on 05/12/2013 19:53:21
Quote from: jeffreyH on 05/12/2013 07:16:10
I will continue once the results of this experiment are in.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/science/cern-scientists-to-look-for-antigravity_893840.html
Interesting link Jeff, we anxiously await the results.

Could there be an anti-photon? All other particles have anti-particles.
The photon is thought to be it's own anti-particle. This is reasoned because the photon has no charge.

Well I suppose that kicks the theory into touch. An electromagnetic field has poles of varying charges and the photon is an electromagnetic wave with no charge. If an anti-photon also had no charge would that work?
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #6 on: 07/12/2013 18:06:12 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 07/12/2013 17:13:31


Well I suppose that kicks the theory into touch. An electromagnetic field has poles of varying charges and the photon is an electromagnetic wave with no charge. If an anti-photon also had no charge would that work?
I don't think you quite understood what we mean when we say that the photon is it's own anti-particle. This explanation simply means that there is no difference between them, in effect, the photon has no "so-called" anti-particle.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #7 on: 07/12/2013 18:17:45 »
Quote from: Ethos_ on 07/12/2013 18:06:12
Quote from: jeffreyH on 07/12/2013 17:13:31


Well I suppose that kicks the theory into touch. An electromagnetic field has poles of varying charges and the photon is an electromagnetic wave with no charge. If an anti-photon also had no charge would that work?
I don't think you quite understood what we mean when we say that the photon is it's own anti-particle. This explanation simply means that there is no difference between them, in effect, the photon has no "so-called" anti-particle.

So anti-matter generates photons as does matter? Which exact particles are produced by matter/antimatter annihilation?

This is very interesting.
http://www.livescience.com/10037-colliding-particles-shed-light-antimatter-mystery.html
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #8 on: 07/12/2013 18:31:29 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 07/12/2013 18:17:45

So anti-matter generates photons as does matter? Which exact particles are produced by matter/antimatter annihilation?
Electromagnetic radiation....................photons in the form of gamma rays and neutrinos.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #9 on: 07/12/2013 18:47:38 »
Quote from: Ethos_ on 07/12/2013 18:31:29
Quote from: jeffreyH on 07/12/2013 18:17:45

So anti-matter generates photons as does matter? Which exact particles are produced by matter/antimatter annihilation?
Electromagnetic radiation....................photons in the form of gamma rays and neutrinos.

What about the neutrino and anti-neutrino? Both have neutral charge. I know its not no charge but both have 1/2 spin. How exactly would spin 2 enclosed strings compress mass? String entanglement?
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #10 on: 07/12/2013 21:36:41 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 07/12/2013 18:47:38


What about the neutrino and anti-neutrino? Both have neutral charge. I know its not no charge but both have 1/2 spin. How exactly would spin 2 enclosed strings compress mass? String entanglement?
My expertise into string theory is limited Jeff, maybe you can tell us a little more why you seem to believe that an anti-photon is a viable solution? I'm not at all familiar with that position.
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #11 on: 08/12/2013 16:39:39 »
Quote from: Ethos_ on 07/12/2013 21:36:41
Quote from: jeffreyH on 07/12/2013 18:47:38


What about the neutrino and anti-neutrino? Both have neutral charge. I know its not no charge but both have 1/2 spin. How exactly would spin 2 enclosed strings compress mass? String entanglement?
My expertise into string theory is limited Jeff, maybe you can tell us a little more why you seem to believe that an anti-photon is a viable solution? I'm not at all familiar with that position.

Rather than discuss this why not look at this site and in particular view the video near the bottom of the page.

http://www.branebrain.com/
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #12 on: 08/12/2013 18:57:47 »
On the anti-photon idea, this was really just me thinking aloud. It doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. It would require an undetectable particle equivalent to a photon. Since we can detect antimatter this would make no sense. This brings into question the graviton. It appears undetectable at present which is an unsatisfactory situation. We say this is because it is a weak force. Surely we can find a means of detecting gravitons if they exists there must be an awful lot of them at the surface of a large mass like the earth. What are we thinking?
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Re: The universe as a two state sytem
« Reply #13 on: 09/12/2013 03:13:25 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 08/12/2013 18:57:47
On the anti-photon idea, this was really just me thinking aloud. It doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. It would require an undetectable particle equivalent to a photon. Since we can detect antimatter this would make no sense. This brings into question the graviton. It appears undetectable at present which is an unsatisfactory situation. We say this is because it is a weak force. Surely we can find a means of detecting gravitons if they exists there must be an awful lot of them at the surface of a large mass like the earth. What are we thinking?
I have a completely different idea about gravity than what is considered main-stream physics today. And I will not travel down that path on this forum because I don't have sufficient evidence to present this idea for public consumption. Sorry.................
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