[ScientificSorcerer]

Hi, alan I'm back, I have to say I'm impressed with how long this post has stayed active and with the wide range of subjects that this post has touched upon. But I think you guys are getting ahead of your selves a little bit.

I think that what you guys really want to know is why mass has gravity. GR tells us what gravity does (distort and curve space) But it doesn't really tell us why gravity is associated with mass to begin with. I think that if we knew why mass is always accompanied by gravity then all of this would become more clear.

I think I may have a logical theory as to why mass always comes with gravity. Here is my theory first off I want you to imagine an atom like billiard ball and space as the air around the ball. You see no air can exist were the ball is. In a similar way empty space can't exist were matter is and as a result space is moved out of the way. it's like this picture below.



ignore the picture to the right and focus on the picture to the left. This diagram is supposed to represent how superconductors bend magnetic fields around them. But I want to use it to represent how massive particles can bend space around them and push space out of the way concentrating space around the object in a gravitational field. I hope that makes sense.

try hard to visualize this concept, and you will know it to be true. it's just like the billiard ball concept just on an extremely small scale. just give that some thought.

Also on an unrelated note, alan hess could you read my post on "simple quantum entangler" in the theories section and give me your opinion on it?  your commentary is usually very insightful and helpful.
you never know maybe quantum entanglement is the balancing force.

also imagine this, if laser light carried gravitons which your thory suggests, then wouldnt that mean that thouse gravitons would interact with each-other and break up the laser?

[alan hess (OP)]

 Hi, I'm glad you're back. I miss our interaction. Last things 1st. no a laser beam will not have a gravitational problem, it is a coherent beam all entities in it are the same frequency, so it will be affected, and affect things as a unit. I will read your post give me a couple days, as I had my 1st surgery and am still experiencing nausea, so it's hard to sit and read the computer screen. All went well. 2nd surgery is scheduled around the 4 of July.  something else you may be interested in, the photon is thought to carry mass when it hits an object. I am wondering if the graviton traveling with the photon is the actual mass carrier when the photon hits something. The photon and gravitons will either be absorbed or reflected

[ScientificSorcerer]

Alan, I remember you told me a wile back that you were having health issues associated with your leg. I hope all goes well with your surgery and you feel better too.

I know it sucks to be sick, I ones spent over a year in the hospital fighting off antibiotic resistant staphylococcus resulting in my appendix bursting  []. Man is a resilient creature and can survive a great many ordeals and injuries if someone can survive an exploded appendix then I'm shore you'll be ok  [8D]