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The duplicate curved crosses radiate outward from the light source …
A surface curving in two planes is required to create such radial distortion, e.g. a curved mirror , ( a lens could simultaneously act as a curved mirror ). If the otherwise flat film had bubble-like curve that could produce radial distortion, however that the hypothetical bubble would be centred on the light-source seems too much of a coincidence.
If the duplicate crosses cannot be explained to your satisfaction they would not necessary be evidence that the image was not taken on the moon. i.e. not necessary evidence of fraud.
And the curved mirror effect? Well, the lenses weren't mirrored so they really couldn't have acted simultaneously like a curved mirror
Your example proves that, compared to the distorted reticles seen in the photograph of the LEM, a trolley can be seen on a sunny day in a darkened store window....
I'll stick with my factually based coherent explanation and convincing demonstration that precisely conforms to observations in a variety of ways and displays a solid one-to-one behavioural correspondence with what's seen in the photograph
The trolley reflection disproves your assertion that glass lenses could not act like a mirror unless they were silvered.
Not precisely : lifting up one corner won't produce radial distortion: you'd have to raise all four corners to match what's in the photo, [ i.e. something similar to the unlikely hypothetical film-bubble I mentioned previously ].
"Only a very bright light can exploit the minimal reflectivity of a transparent lense"
"….and when the light values are approximately the same on both sides of the window, objects cannot be seen clearly in reflection from either side of the glass (which is why people sometimes walk into glass doors and windows)...."
The conformation of the transparency overlay deformity and the lighting needed to cause the appearance of the entire formation of four reticles is academic.
No it isn't academic : to match all four reticles would require a bulge-type deformation in the film, similar to the surface of a lens, ( hint hint ).
….lifting up one corner won't produce radial distortion: you'd have to raise all four corners to match what's in the photo....
... I'll replicate the entire formation of four sets of distorted upper reticles and symmetrical lower ones.
Bear in mind the full-frame image looks like this ... that's what you're trying to replicate with your sheet of film , not just the region around the flare-spot.
BTW your rendition of the second crosses is not curved like the original :the second crosses are made up of two arcs , not two straight lines ...
What? I'm not trying replicate the subject matter in the photograph at all.... Why would anyone want to do that? The objective of the replication is to precisely replicate the appearance of the four sets of reticles as they appear in the affected region in the photograph on a board and then post the results as before....
If I was a bookie.... I'd bet it all on me.
The point I was making was that to replicate the effect seen on the original image you'd have to just warp the top left corner of your sheet of film, (corresponding with where the flare spot is), keeping the other three-quarters of the frame flat.
Isolating (cropping) the flare spot and lifting the corners is cheating : in the actual image the extra-crosses are not at the corners of the frame.
... it doesn't make any sense for you to speculate on what the conformation of the transparency overlay was elsewhere outside the affected region and then claim based on that that it must have been flat or that it must have been bulging or that it must have been anything over the whole of the image surface outside the affected region, since there's no way to confirm or deny that assertion one way or the other...
... you can't at least manage to dredge up some empirical support for it ...
The extra crosses only exist in the top left quadrant of the frame, if they were due to the film being warped then the rest of the frame must be flat otherwise the crosses elsewhere in the frame would be also be duplicated. The extra crosses are a local effect on the flare-spot area of the frame.
BTW if the film was warped, (either in-camera or whilst creating a film duplicate), the image of the spacecraft would also be warped, which would be detectable : straight lines on the craft would no-longer be straight.
These flare spots diagonally opposite the light source are evidence refection has occurred within the lens. Refection from a curved surface, (like that of a lens), will have radial distortion, e.g. pincushion distortion, (think shaving mirror) …
This photograph of the Apollo 14 LEM on the Moon (AS14-66-9306) is distinctive from the rest in the series. It shows a set of four reticles (or crosshairs) that appear to be hovering to one degree or another above the image surface of the photograph in the region of lense flare around the Sun, and another set that appear flat and generally symmetrical beneath them on the image surface.... In this forum (in another thread) RD explained his theory that a lense flare induced ghost reticle pin cushion-like effect was at play. Essentially, the theory goes that the opaque black reticles were so brilliantly illuminated by the Sun that they reflected off one or another of the curved lenses within the camera, showing up as detailed pincushion-like ghost images in the same region where the Sun is causing normal lense flare at the same time. Unfortunately, his theory wasn't accompanied by any links, articles, replications or precedent setting examples that could actually back it up or demonstrate it. In another forum, the theory is essentially the same, that the configuration of the lenses created a hall of mirrors like lense flare induced ghost reticle hall-like effect. Essentially, the theory goes that the opaque black reticles were so brilliantly illuminated by the Sun that they reflected off one or another of the curved lenses within the camera, showing up as hall effect-like detailed ghost images in the same region where the Sun is causing normal lense flare at the same time. Unfortunately, his theory wasn't accompanied by any links, articles, replications or precedent setting examples that could actually back it up or demonstrate it in action either, and even the preceeding photograph in the series, taken under the same conditions, shows no sign of any kind of mechanism like that playing out.... With minor variations they're the same theory I've seen repeated several times now.... none are ever accompanied by any links, articles, replications or precedent setting examples that could actually back them up or demonstrate this mechanism in action.My proposed mechanism is based on the fact that a transparency overlay lifted up and away from the image surface in the photograph is consistent with the appearance of both the upper distorted reticles and the lower flat symmetrical reticles on the image surface....To prove it, I replicated the conditions needed for this type of defect to appear in a photograph/transparency overlay image and then demonstrated the mechanism playing out in precisely the same way as what's seen in the detail of the photograph from NASA....1. The slight curvature of the upper distorted reticle up and away from the board surface in my transparency example precisely matches in appearance the slight curvature of the upper distorted reticle in the detail of the photograph from NASA.2. The upper distorted reticle in my transparency example shows itself to be noticably darker than the shadow it's casting on the board, precisely matching in appearance the noticably darker upper distorted reticle in the detail of the photograph from NASA.3. The shadow on the board from the transparency of the reticle in my example shows itself to be flat and generally symmetrical in appearance on the board, precisely matching in appearance the flat and generally symmetrical lower reticle on the image surface in the detail of the photograph from NASA.4. The crosshairs of the distorted upper reticle begin to diverge from the shadow they're casting while still close to the board surface (furthest from my hand) in my transparency example, and that divergence steadily increases as the distance between the transparency and the board increases to its highest point (where I'm holding it), precisely matching in appearance the divergence of the crosshairs seen in the detail of the photograph from NASA.That's four unique features of my proposed mechanism that precisely match in appearance the detail of the photograph from NASA.... a solid one-to-one behavioural correspondence exists between my transparency overlay example and the detail in the photograph from NASA. For now, I have to go with that over any of the (as yet) unproven theories like lense flare induced ghost reticle hall-like effect or lense flare induced ghost reticle pin cushion-like effect that confer upon a black opaque object the ability to cause a distinct and detailed ghost image of itself to appear in the same region as lense flare is occurring in any photograph.
The top image shows normal lense flare caused by a bright light, and that's all it shows
Do you even understand what a “transparency overlay” is?
Quote from: RD….lifting up one corner won't produce radial distortion: you'd have to raise all four corners to match what's in the photo....Not so, only three corners need be slightly elevated, the reticle in the lower right hand corner of the formation is fairly close to the image surface, evidenced by the reduced degree of distortion it exhibits compared to the others....
That those flare spots are diagonally opposite the light-source shows reflection has occurred in the lens.
A refection from a curved surface, like that of a lens, can have pincushion distortion, like the “old guy looking in a mirror". So the necessary ingredients are there for my explanation for the origin of the extra crosses.
….only three corners need be slightly elevated, the reticle in the lower right hand corner of the formation is fairly close to the image surface, evidenced by the reduced degree of distortion it exhibits compared to the others....
The high-resolution version shows it's definitely all four ...
I know what a contact-print is : I have made many of them and consequently can tell you that film is not “flexible” enough for your hypothesis to be possible.