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Important Note : Guys : I am here ,as just a messenger , to refer you to the work of the increasing number of all those non-materialist scientists on the subject , that's all .
author=David Cooper link=topic=52526.msg441763#msg441763 date=1412537567]Quote from: DonQuichotte on 05/10/2014 19:08:59For starters : consciousness is neither in the brain nor is it brain activity (That's just a materialist myth ) , so, neuroscience will never be able to explain consciousness , also because the physical brain is just a medium for consciousness, both ways , as a receiver and as a "generator " :It doesn't matter whether consciousness is in the brain or not. What matters is that it has to interface with the brain and have a causal involvement in what the brain does, one which also allows the mechanical information system of the brain to access the consciousness side of things in order for the physical animal to speak of consciousness. It is the interfacing that is problematic, not the idea of consciousness itself. It doesn't matter where consciousness resides - all that matters is the big problem which is how it interfaces with the material. A million texts and videos evangelising voodoo which fail to address that problem are a complete irrelevance.
For starters : consciousness is neither in the brain nor is it brain activity (That's just a materialist myth ) , so, neuroscience will never be able to explain consciousness , also because the physical brain is just a medium for consciousness, both ways , as a receiver and as a "generator " :
Quote I have never looked back when i left this forum , to be honest . I went back to it for a couple of days afterwards , then , i moved on to explore other horizons and fields , just to come back again to share with you all what i have been stumbling upon so far ,and it is a lot = an understatement .So it's just a coincidence that you happened to look in here a day after this subject came up?
I have never looked back when i left this forum , to be honest . I went back to it for a couple of days afterwards , then , i moved on to explore other horizons and fields , just to come back again to share with you all what i have been stumbling upon so far ,and it is a lot = an understatement .
Is The Universe Just An Elaborate Hologram ?
How Darwinism Is More of An Ideology Than A Scientific Theory
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 05/10/2014 19:21:54Important Note : Guys : I am here ,as just a messenger , to refer you to the work of the increasing number of all those non-materialist scientists on the subject , that's all .Please do.I haven't seen any science yet.
Allow me to inform those of the membership here about Don........ A few of us have already been thru this debate with him and I suggest that any further attempt to create any proper understanding of the scientific method within him is a useless and fruitless effort.
.So, "matter " exist only when observed .
author=cheryl j link=topic=52526.msg441779#msg441779 date=1412556010]Quote from: DonQuichotte on 05/10/2014 21:01:50.So, "matter " exist only when observed . By whom?
Collapsing wave functions doesn't help in the slightest. If there is no interface between mind and matter, brains cannot know of consciousness and mouths cannot speak of it.
Prominent Chemist Says Scientists Don’t Really Understand Evolution
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 06/10/2014 17:30:07Prominent Chemist Says Scientists Don’t Really Understand Evolutionwhich, as with every other subject, is why we study it. Intellectual humility is what distinguishes us from priests, politicians and philosophers.
There is no radical separation between matter and mind thus = no mind-body problem .We can't thus speak of separate matter and separate mind , as we should abandon the materialist assumption that the mind has no causal effects on matter + that the observed "objecttive reality " can be separated from the consciousness of the observer . That means also that consciousness intervenes actively in the so-called physical reality , also by altering it and more via downward causation , and vice versa .Even at the "material level " , there are both upward and downward causations: complex structures have downward causations regarding their simpler or sub-structures and vice versa .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 06/10/2014 17:22:11There is no radical separation between matter and mind thus = no mind-body problem .We can't thus speak of separate matter and separate mind , as we should abandon the materialist assumption that the mind has no causal effects on matter + that the observed "objecttive reality " can be separated from the consciousness of the observer . That means also that consciousness intervenes actively in the so-called physical reality , also by altering it and more via downward causation , and vice versa .Even at the "material level " , there are both upward and downward causations: complex structures have downward causations regarding their simpler or sub-structures and vice versa .It's all very well saying that there's no division between the two, but unless you can spell out the mechanism by which sentience can announce its existence to an information system (whether it's separate from it or part of it), you do not understand the issue. If you can spell it out, then you've got a bombshell, and it'll be a better bombshell than the one you think you have.
I don't need to read an article if the headline is selfevidently true. And I don't want to read an article if the headline is of no importance.