[jccc]

not to "understand" quantum mechanics but to know how to use it. I.e. all students of quantum mechanics are told to stop asking questions about what's "really" going on.

Superstition?

Ignorant response again.

Since I believe God, alan wants to get rid me asap, will you protect me?

Pete, do you love me?

[phyti39]

Since 'God' or 'Allah' or whatever name you give him (if any such entity exists) appears to be outside of the physical universe, as we know and understand it, I rather doubt that scientific study can either prove or disprove his (her/its) existence, now or at any time in the future.

Personally, I do not believe in God or any such entity. I do not believe in anything I cannot see with my own two eyes, hear, touch, taste or feel, unless there is overwhelming evidence from those who are of perfectly sound mind who have seen, heard, touched, tasted or felt it first hand, or whatever it is has left undisputable evidence itself.

That is the world you inhabit. All your sensory input is traceable to em radiation, an indirect perception of things invisible. The forms the mind has invented for objects, at all scales, exist only in the mind. What they represent outside the mind is unknown, and probably unknowable. You believe in these entities, yet they are invisible.

[phyti39]

My definition of science is philosophy augmented with a system of measurement, the modus operandi of science. If you can't measure it, science cannot analyze it. A Creator and the spiritual attributes he promotes; love, compassion, justice, etc., are outside the realm of science. As an example, how much love will a liter size container hold?
If science were to study charity, it would probably equate its magnitude to the amount of wealth donated, yet the scriptural evaluation states motive is more important than amount.
Why is the world more beautiful and varied than it has to be, to support life? Science can only speculate about these things. Assuming a "Supreme Being", who is eternal, and invisible, the human creature can only learn about him by divine revelation.

[PmbPhy]

Pete, do you love me?

You've got to be joking. You're an irritating pest that thinks the world of physics should change to fit the way he thought it always was instead of learning the way it really is.

[PmbPhy]

No - they are the ones who are doing their religion properly, fully respecting the Chief of the Fairies at the top.

Not at all. There's nothing in either the Bible or the Qur'an that gives anybody the right to kill others. Muslims lie about their use of it because they either twist what it states to fit their needs or they don't understand it. A lot of them simply never read the Qur'an just like most Christians haven't read the Bible.

[jccc]

Pete, do you love me?

You've got to be joking. You're an irritating pest that thinks the world of physics should change to fit the way he thought it always was instead of learning the way it really is.

I see. Thanks for been honest.

[Ethos_]

Pete, do you love me?

I think Pete loves science, as I do as well, and most of the membership here at TNS! There are however a few exceptions, I think those folks know who they are.

[alancalverd]

You mean those who believe QM?

Scientific knowledge advances through unbelief. Mankind regresses to the intellect of an amoeba through belief.

No, come to think of it, amoeba, and even viruses, are capable of learning and adapting. It seems that only humans are stupid enough to have faith.

[jccc]

Exactly, I unbelief QM.

Am I a male stupid amoeba?

[syhprum]

Every year I visit friends in Indianapolis so that I can visit the Indy500 race , I find their irrational religious beliefs rather a strain but I have to remember not to argue or protests too much or I would have to pay for a hotel instead, I even attend church and have to work hard not to laugh

[PmbPhy]

I see. Thanks for been honest.

You're welcome.

By the way. Please don't take my comment about you being a pest as a personal insult. That was not its intent. In my opinion it is merely a negative attribute that you have. That doesn't say anything about you as a person since I don't know you personally. I think it could be as you said, i.e. that perhaps you're too lazy to do the reading required to understand all of this. You should take Jeff's attitude as a guide. Jeff is awesome as far as forum members go and I think you have a lot to learn from him as far as his willingness to do the hard work required to understand all of this stuff. Anybody who thinks that they can learn and properly understand quantum mechanics without doing a lot of hard work is deluding themselves.

[jccc]

Pete, not at all.

I want to learn those 3 things all my life, atomic structure, gravity and magnetism. That's how I found this forum.

[alancalverd]

Exactly, I unbelief QM.

Am I a male stupid amoeba?

Quantum mechanics has nothing to do with belief. It's the mathematical description of observations.

[PmbPhy]

Pete, not at all.

I want to learn those 3 things all my life, atomic structure, gravity and magnetism. That's how I found this forum.

And yet you're not willing to do the work required to learn them.

[alancalverd]

Observation of anything and everything, so far.

[David Cooper]

No - they are the ones who are doing their religion properly, fully respecting the Chief of the Fairies at the top.

Not at all. There's nothing in either the Bible or the Qur'an that gives anybody the right to kill others. Muslims lie about their use of it because they either twist what it states to fit their needs or they don't understand it. A lot of them simply never read the Qur'an just like most Christians haven't read the Bible.

I've read the whole of the Qur'aan and it goes to great lengths instructing Muslims to kill non-Muslims. I haven't found anything quite so bad in the Bible, though I haven't felt the need to read the whole of the Old Testament yet. However, the Bible has been used to justify a lot of mass murder in the past, so there are clearly extremely dangerous faults in it that allow this to happen, and you'd think a God ought to have managed to do a perfect job of preventing that.

[jccc]

Every year I visit friends in Indianapolis so that I can visit the Indy500 race , I find their irrational religious beliefs rather a strain but I have to remember not to argue or protests too much or I would have to pay for a hotel instead, I even attend church and have to work hard not to laugh

You are killing me, again.

[jccc]

If you are God, you can create anything you want to, what would you like to create?

Let's see the material world first. You need space, matter, force to build anything that is real to human mind.

Atom, how is it build? If you only have two charged particles, 1 proton and 1 electron.

According to your law, they attract each other, the closer the stronger. f=q1q2/r^2. they become a little dot with positive force field on one side and negative the other. That's not the atom we see.

You have two choices, add more charge/matter or change your law. You forgot you have more matter, so you changed your law, one for things eyes can see, one for the minds to see.

You forgot you only have 1 law, the truth.

Do you really need to change your law? If you remembered the other matter that is the charged space itself.

 

[syhprum]

If god made protons why did he not make it solid instead of a bag of Quarks, Gluons and what not, was it not as St Aquinas said because he was to busy creating hells for those who ask too many questions.

[jccc]

After you created the universe, the glory stars, grand planets and sweet moons, you look around, feel lonely, created living things.

Then you look around, the flower, the butterfly, the living and love in animals, then you cried. All the beauty, all the love, no one to share.

What are you going to do? God