[sgroclkc (OP)]

but no motion sickness expert has studied the factors of low-frequency noise.

Deaf people get seasick.
So we know noise isn't the cause.

There are many patterns of hearing loss. Generally clinicians group them along several axes; sensory vs conductive; the severity axis -- mild vs moderate vs. profound; the time axis -- sudden vs progressive vs chronic, and the frequency spectrum that is affected. Roughly speaking, the frequency patterns of hearing loss are divided up into: Low-frequency, mid-frequency, high-frequency, notches, and flat. Among them, only the deaf people with low-frequency hearing loss will not get carsick and seasick. Deaf peoplewith other types of hearing loss will still get carsick and seasick.

[Bored chemist]

but no motion sickness expert has studied the factors of low-frequency noise.

Deaf people get seasick.
So we know noise isn't the cause.

There are many patterns of hearing loss. Generally clinicians group them along several axes; sensory vs conductive; the severity axis -- mild vs moderate vs. profound; the time axis -- sudden vs progressive vs chronic, and the frequency spectrum that is affected. Roughly speaking, the frequency patterns of hearing loss are divided up into: Low-frequency, mid-frequency, high-frequency, notches, and flat. Among them, only the deaf people with low-frequency hearing loss will not get carsick and seasick. Deaf peoplewith other types of hearing loss will still get carsick and seasick.

I know there are different types of hearing loss.
I pointed it out to you.

There's this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/05/i-wanted-to-serve-these-deaf-men-helped-nasa-understand-motion-sickness-in-space/

which shows that people with knackered semi-circular canals don't get motion sick- because that's where the problem is caused.
But people with other forms of deafness (who clearly can't hear infrasound) do get motion sickness.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

but no motion sickness expert has studied the factors of low-frequency noise.

Deaf people get seasick.
So we know noise isn't the cause.

There are many patterns of hearing loss. Generally clinicians group them along several axes; sensory vs conductive; the severity axis -- mild vs moderate vs. profound; the time axis -- sudden vs progressive vs chronic, and the frequency spectrum that is affected. Roughly speaking, the frequency patterns of hearing loss are divided up into: Low-frequency, mid-frequency, high-frequency, notches, and flat. Among them, only the deaf people with low-frequency hearing loss will not get carsick and seasick. Deaf peoplewith other types of hearing loss will still get carsick and seasick.

I know there are different types of hearing loss.
I pointed it out to you.

There's this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/05/i-wanted-to-serve-these-deaf-men-helped-nasa-understand-motion-sickness-in-space/

which shows that people with knackered semi-circular canals don't get motion sick- because that's where the problem is caused.
But people with other forms of deafness (who clearly can't hear infrasound) do get motion sickness.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

but no motion sickness expert has studied the factors of low-frequency noise.

Deaf people get seasick.
So we know noise isn't the cause.

There are many patterns of hearing loss. Generally clinicians group them along several axes; sensory vs conductive; the severity axis -- mild vs moderate vs. profound; the time axis -- sudden vs progressive vs chronic, and the frequency spectrum that is affected. Roughly speaking, the frequency patterns of hearing loss are divided up into: Low-frequency, mid-frequency, high-frequency, notches, and flat. Among them, only the deaf people with low-frequency hearing loss will not get carsick and seasick. Deaf peoplewith other types of hearing loss will still get carsick and seasick.

I know there are different types of hearing loss.
I pointed it out to you.

There's this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/05/i-wanted-to-serve-these-deaf-men-helped-nasa-understand-motion-sickness-in-space/

which shows that people with knackered semi-circular canals don't get motion sick- because that's where the problem is caused.
But people with other forms of deafness (who clearly can't hear infrasound) do get motion sickness.

In addition, all the deaf people  without long-term spinning training will experience motion sickness(dizziness due to spinning) in a spinning chair .

[Bored chemist]

In addition, all the deaf people  without long-term spinning training will experience motion sickness(dizziness due to spinning) in a spinning chair .

That's just not true; as shown by people like these.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/how-11-deaf-men-helped-shape-nasas-human-spaceflight-program


Why is this mistaken belief so important to you that you lie about it?

[sgroclkc (OP)]

In addition, all the deaf people  without long-term spinning training will experience motion sickness(dizziness due to spinning) in a spinning chair .

That's just not true; as shown by people like these.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/how-11-deaf-men-helped-shape-nasas-human-spaceflight-program


Why is this mistaken belief so important to you that you lie about it?

Answered 1 year ago · Author has 2.7K answers and 1.2M answer views
Do deaf people get vertigo?

Deafness per se has nothing to do with vertigo, and vice-versa. In general, deaf people experience vertigo at the same rate hearing people do, both chronically and acutely.

[Bored chemist]

Deafness per se has nothing to do with vertigo,

Vertigo has nothing to do with motion sickness.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

Deafness per se has nothing to do with vertigo,

Vertigo has nothing to do with motion sickness.

There are many causes of vertigo, including those that are rare, like vestibular neuritis, and Meniere’s disease. Vertigo can also occur with migraine headache. It is also possible to induce vertigo by spinning quickly in circles, or through intoxication.

[Bored chemist]

There are many causes of vertigo, including those that are rare, like vestibular neuritis, and Meniere’s disease. Vertigo can also occur with migraine headache. It is also possible to induce vertigo by spinning quickly in circles, or through intoxication.

And there is exactly one cause of motion sickness, and that's motion.
So, thank you for proving my point.
They are not the same condition.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

There are many causes of vertigo, including those that are rare, like vestibular neuritis, and Meniere’s disease. Vertigo can also occur with migraine headache. It is also possible to induce vertigo by spinning quickly in circles, or through intoxication.

And there is exactly one cause of motion sickness, and that's motion.
So, thank you for proving my point.
They are not the same condition.

No motion experiment has replicated the symptoms of carsickness and seasickness.Therefore, so far, no motion sickness expert claims to have found the causes of carsickness and seasickness.Now all the theories of motion sickness are a hypothesis! Only experiments with low-frequency noise can replicate the symptoms of carsickness and seasickness. Therefore, carsickness and seasickness are caused by low-frequency noise.

[Bored chemist]

No motion experiment has replicated the symptoms of carsickness and seasickness.

Yes they have.
And there's this too.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/feel-motion-sickness-virtual-reality/story?id=65153805

VR sets do not produce low frequency sound.

[Bored chemist]

Only experiments with low-frequency noise can replicate the symptoms of carsickness and seasickness.

Please cite the academic papers on this.
In particular, show how the outcome is different from the motion sickness cause by VR.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

Only experiments with low-frequency noise can replicate the symptoms of carsickness and seasickness.

Please cite the academic papers on this.
In particular, show how the outcome is different from the motion sickness cause by VR.

Virtual reality sickness - Wikipedia ：exposure to a virtual environment causes symptoms that are similar to motion sickness symptoms.
In other words, the symptoms of motion sickness and seasickness cannot be reproduced in VR experiment: VR is not the cause of carsickness and seasickness.If a motion sickness expert claims to have discovered the causes of carsickness and seasickness, mankind will immediately find a way to completely avoid carsickness and seasickness. This motion sickness expert will be nominated for the Nobel Prize and won the Nobel Prize in a few years. However, for more than 100 years, mankind has made no progress in solving the problem of carsickness and seasickness, and no sports  motion sickness expert has been nominated for the Nobel Prize.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

His method is correct, but his explanation is wrong.

No
People who suffer from motion sickness (who are the actual experts) will tell you that strong odours make symptoms worse.

I designed an experiment that everyone can do to prove that carsickness is caused by low-frequency noise and has nothing to do with motion.It is to select a car with large low-frequency noise and easy to make people feel carsick, completely close the window, and the people participating in the experiment must wear an oxygen mask (to avoid suffocation and death when the air is not circulating). When the car is in neutral and the car is stationary, step on the car accelerator to the bottom to maximize the low-frequency noise in the car, It is bound to make people with good hearing carsick.

A similar experiment is done countless times every day.
The driver is exposed to the same sound as the passengers, but only the passengers get sick.

Drivers or aviators long-term exposure to car Low frequency noise or after repeated exposures to the flying environment.will cause a temporary neurosensory low frequency hearing loss. Therefore, the driver or aviators will not get carsickness or airsickness.Airsickness or carsickness may also occur when a previously adapted individual returns to duty after a period of non-flying.This is because low-frequency hearing has been restored.

[Bored chemist]

Your posts are contrafactual or misleading.

And you seem not to have understood this.

Please cite the academic papers on this.
In particular, show how the outcome is different from the motion sickness cause by VR.

I didn't ask for a link to a wiki page, did I?
And that page says you are wrong anyway.

[Bored chemist]

However, for more than 100 years, mankind has made no progress in solving the problem of carsickness and seasickness,

That's not true.

[Just thinking]

On the one hand motion sickness experts agreed on the way in the  carsickness, seasickness and airsickness gets sick or motion sickness is caused by motion or rotation or visual stimuli

I'm 100 % sure that it was the beer and the pizza that made me chuck in the taxi.

[Bored chemist]

On the one hand motion sickness experts agreed on the way in the  carsickness, seasickness and airsickness gets sick or motion sickness is caused by motion or rotation or visual stimuli

I'm 100 % sure that it was the beer and the pizza that made me chuck in the taxi.

technically, that's better evidence than sgroclkc  has provided.

[Just thinking]

carsickness, seasickness and airsickness gets sick or motion sickness is caused by motion or rotation or visual stimuli

He left out lawnmower sickness I'm definitely sick of that.

[sgroclkc (OP)]

Similarly, there are scientific scams that regard scientific hypotheses that have not been confirmed by experiments as scientific theories, as well as earthquake theory, nightmare theory and stomach disease theory. The scientific scam of stomach disease theory, although the vested interests try to attack the experimental results of Helicobacter pylori of scientific researchers, this scam has now been exposed. The scientific experimental results of Helicobacter pylori have been recognized and won the Nobel Prize.When gastrologists saw the experimental results of gastric diseases caused by Helicobacter pylori and knew that their lies were about to be exposed, the despicable behavior of gastrologists was exactly the same as that of motion sickness researchers, leading to the burial of this great new scientific discovery for many years.
Refer to the article  “Nobel Came After Years of Battling the System”
By Lawrence K. Altman, M.d.