[Northstar (OP)]

I am interested in UFO propulsion and control because we humans are not going anywhere from this planet until such propulsion or science is obtained.    I am not sure if UFOs are propelled or whether they change dimensions.  We need not only the power source but the controls for it, plus navigation plus protection for we frail humans.

What facts we know are:  shapes (several), sizes (several), electrical radiation which shuts down cars and radios and that UFOs can not be targeted or they zoom out of range.   We know that governments want to keep all technological knowledge to themselves rather than sharing it with geeks who might create a UFO in their garages.

[Northstar (OP)]

Complicated crop circles are created by UFOs.
Are they trying to communicate with us?

[RD]

Complicated crop circles are created by UFOs.

Not necessarily, see ...

[Colin2B]

Not necessarily, see ...

Mm, created by UWOs (unidentified walking objects).
I wonder how they are powered?

[RD]

... I wonder how they are powered?

Cider  []

[Northstar (OP)]

Does anyone really believe that the EXTREMELY SIMPLE crop circles made by pranksters are the same as the EXTREMELY COMPLICATED crop circles which are obviously not made by humans simply going in circles?? [] [] []  LOL.   LMAO.  ROFL.   If anyone believes they are the same, I will sell you my deed to the bridges in London so you can try to charge people for crossing the bridges.   hahahahahha.

[RD]

Does anyone really believe that the EXTREMELY SIMPLE crop circles made by pranksters are the same as the EXTREMELY COMPLICATED crop circles which are obviously not made by humans simply going in circles?

Evidently, large complex patterns of vandalism in crops can be created by a handful of people in a few hours ...
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So hypotheses involving E.T. are unnecessary to explain the phenomenon.

[PmbPhy]

Does anyone really believe that the EXTREMELY SIMPLE crop circles made by pranksters are the same as the EXTREMELY COMPLICATED crop circles which are obviously not made by humans simply going in circles?? [] [] []  LOL.   LMAO.  ROFL.   If anyone believes they are the same, I will sell you my deed to the bridges in London so you can try to charge people for crossing the bridges.   hahahahahha.

When you ask a question and then laugh at everyone who disagrees with your preconceived notions then you're not going to get many responses.

When the crop circles were proven to be a hoax it only made sense to make them more complicated so that people such as yourself would find it impossible to believe that humans did it. And look! Their plan worked!

[Colin2B]

It has long since ceased to amaze me what people are capable of believing.
The thought that a highly technological civilisation comes light years, monitors our comms, evades our detectors and then decides to communicate with us by drawing pictures in wheat, is an odd one.
It is far more likely that this is the equivalent of building sand castles on the beach. However, there are few signs that they are particularly civilised; where are the empty beer cans, sweet wrappers and half eaten sausage-ina-bun? I fear these are the dregs out for the day.

[Colin2B]

By the way, which way is the corn layed over in the circles clockwise or anticlockwise  []

Widdershins  []

[Northstar (OP)]

I am amazed that people have not seen actual video and radar intercepts of UFOs, nor heard about pilots reporting huge UFOs out flying them such as the Japan Airlines pilot who with his crew and by radar on the ground saw a UFO twice the size of an aircraft carrier alongside his plane.   Why is there such government disinformation?  And why do insecure people ridicule those who have seen UFOs including police officers in the US midwest and in Belgium?

[Northstar (OP)]

And as to complicated crop circles rather than just some simpleton prankster's simple circles, including videos of an object flying over a crop and an image appearing instantly, I offer:

https://www.google.com/search?q=complicated+crop+circles&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB4QsARqFQoTCPrmnNnuj8cCFcHVgAodgqgMyg&biw=1013&bih=631#imgrc=YCMXqjCNxA2CCM%3A [nofollow]

[Northstar (OP)]

I wonder if the skeptics think the nasca lines in Peru were made by pranksters - nothing else to do - after all, they didn't have TV back then.

[alancalverd]

Anyone who flies a lot will almost certainly have seen flying objects that he couldn't identify. So what?

There's a great line in an old Frank Sinatra movie, where the hero calls the coastguard and says "there's a dead blonde with her feet in a block of concrete in the harbour" and the coastguard replies "Is she a hazard to navigation?" 

Same with UFOs.

[Northstar (OP)]

What about objects that are flying machines twice the size of aircraft carriers that the Japanese pilot saw or the same sized craft that police in Belgium saw.  Who cares?   Are you joking?

[Northstar (OP)]

If UFOs are just a "so what" joke, why do governments want to keep such jokes secret from the general population?   Show us all of the evidence and let us all have a laugh.  [] [] []  har, de har, har

[RD]

If UFOs are just a "so what" joke, why do governments want to keep such jokes secret from the general population?   Show us all of the evidence and let us all have a laugh.

Decades of UFO reports to UK government [MOD] are available , see ... http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/

You wanted a laugh ? , here's a sketch someone submitted to the MOD ,
of a UFO making crop-circles ...


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Colour_sketch_of_a_spaceship_creating_crop_circles.jpg

[Northstar (OP)]

Can it be true that pilots and police do not know a flying machine from a lenticular cloud???   OMG!!!

Isn't it strange that with all of the government confiscation of photos and evidence and the threatening of witnesses since the 1950s, that the governments release just "reports" instead of photos, videos, physical evidence?   It will be so interesting to see the reaction of skeptics when a UFO lands on a football field in front of tens of thousands of spectators someday if the former skeptics can then be found to admit their stupidity.   I am sure the governments will chalk up the evidence to mass hysteria and the drinking of too much beer.

RD:  That is kind of a funny sketch or idea - perhaps it was meant to be funny.  But I also think that great ideas as well as silly ones were first sketches before they became engineered drawings.

Perhaps if we could get some man made circles set in stone, say like Stonehenge, people in the future will say there were ancient aliens or perhaps it was a religious site or an ancient astronomical observatory, or maybe those folks just liked moving big rocks around like the Egyptians.

Gee, I try to bring up a serious subject, and I get sent off to the looney bin.

[chiralSPO]

I think some of instances in which the government confiscated cameras and images/footage of "UFO"s may well have been related to military experiments/exercises/activities. Some of the activities at Area 51 has been declassified as they pertained to the U2 spy plane program, and other similar programs. (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/16/212549163/there-it-is-area-51-revealed-in-declassified-cia-report)

I can understand that governments all around the world would have vested interests in keeping their own military secrets secret (I know someone whose camera phone was confiscate by Israeli security forces after they photographed something they shouldn't have). I don't understand how/why so many governments (many of which are enemies) could/would keep aliens a secret. The only plausible explanation would be that all of our governments are controlled by the aliens themselves--spooky!

I believe there is an extremely high likelihood that there is life, even intelligent life beyond our solar system. It is possible, although significantly less likely, that they have visited us. I think it is highly unlikely that we are being visited constantly by several alien races and that there is an international (intergalactic?) cover-up that somehow still allows Joe Schmoe to catch the evidence on their video camera.

[alancalverd]

What about objects that are flying machines twice the size of aircraft carriers that the Japanese pilot saw or the same sized craft that police in Belgium saw.  Who cares?   Are you joking?

Was it a hazard to navigation? Condors and seagulls are.