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On that note I have the answer, all the particles of the sun are of a positive polarity, therefore all the particles want to repel each other but gravity keeps them all together. The particles oppose their own distort, the particles push back. The cbmr from all directions is also a positive polarity , so helps to hold them back. Maybe the cbmr a little to far, imagine I am inside your basket ball and I push back. the ball retains its shape,
only the protons, positrons and nuclei are positive... The electrons and muons are negative.
Quote from: chiralSPO on 20/09/2015 01:18:21only the protons, positrons and nuclei are positive... The electrons and muons are negative.Impossible, the electrons and muons would stick to the protons and positrons before they left the sun, negatives being attracted to a positive, there is something not quite right with your quote. How can any of the above separately exist, surely they all would combine together?
The intense temperature of the Sun is enough to separate the charges into a plasma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29). The free, mobile charges are what makes the plasma interact with electric and magnetic fields.
Then surely the negative particles whilst in the Sun are really positive particles as they are ''charged'' the same as everything else?
Quote from: Thebox on 20/09/2015 10:30:23Then surely the negative particles whilst in the Sun are really positive particles as they are ''charged'' the same as everything else?They are "negatively charged," and cannot be positively charged. That's part of what defines an electron.
Impossible, the electrons and muons would stick to the protons and positrons before they left the sun, negatives being attracted to a positive, there is something not quite right with your quote. How can any of the above separately exist, surely they all would combine together?
Plasma is not really a liquid or neither is the sun, so hydro is not really a word involved in any of the suns processes. Do you imagine the sun to be like molten Lava?
Quote from: Thebox on 20/09/2015 01:36:18Impossible, the electrons and muons would stick to the protons and positrons before they left the sun, negatives being attracted to a positive, there is something not quite right with your quote. How can any of the above separately exist, surely they all would combine together?Good grief. I had suspected you found the words "isotropic" and "anisotropic" when you looked up hydrostatic equilibrium after I mentioned it a few days ago. Now I am convinced. I hate it when people debate me by looking up everything on Wikipedia on the fly as they go, and it's usually pretty obvious when they do.FYI, an electron has kinetic energy. That keeps it from combining with a proton despite opposite charges. In order for that to occur, the pressure/density has to be high, like early in the Universe before protons and electrons could exist separately, in a neutron star where they get smashed together by gravity, or in a particle accelerator where they get smashed together by humans performing experiments.Think about it this way. An electron is a fundamental particle, a "bit" of energy. In order to fall into the nucleus, it would have to lose some of that energy, which by definition would no longer make it an electron. An electron's mass/energy is not divisible, or it would not be a fundamental particle.This is all off topic. If the science primer is over, can we get back to discussing how fusion pressure from the Sun's core provides an isotropic pressure that cancels out most of the Sun's equatorial bulge according to my hypothesis?
Don't try convincing TheBox of anything, it is pointless as he believes his own logic trumps all logic.
Good grief. I had suspected you found the words "isotropic" and "anisotropic" when you looked up hydrostatic equilibrium after I mentioned it a few days ago. Now I am convinced. I hate it when people debate me by looking up everything on Wikipedia on the fly as they go, and it's usually pretty obvious when they do.FYI, an electron has kinetic energy. That keeps it from combining with a proton despite opposite charges. In order for that to occur, the pressure/density has to be high, like early in the Universe before protons and electrons could exist separately, in a neutron star where they get smashed together by gravity, or in a particle accelerator where they get smashed together by humans performing experiments.Think about it this way. An electron is a fundamental particle, a "bit" of energy. In order to fall into the nucleus, it would have to lose some of that energy, which by definition would no longer make it an electron. An electron's mass/energy is not divisible, or it would not be a fundamental particle.This is all off topic. If the science primer is over, can we get back to discussing how fusion pressure from the Sun's core provides an isotropic pressure that cancels out most of the Sun's equatorial bulge according to my hypothesis?
That is rather rude when I bothered to use my time to engage in conversation with you. I do not need to look anything up on Wiki, I am not a scientist but have spent many years discoursing science information, I know my stuff. Isotropic is equal in all directions, i.e a sphere is equal in all directions from c.o.m. But never mind.
Quote from: Thebox on 21/09/2015 10:56:27That is rather rude when I bothered to use my time to engage in conversation with you. I do not need to look anything up on Wiki, I am not a scientist but have spent many years discoursing science information, I know my stuff. Isotropic is equal in all directions, i.e a sphere is equal in all directions from c.o.m. But never mind.Sorry, maybe that was rude, but like you, I have spent some years talking about this stuff. As such, I have plenty of experience with people who are no better educated than me that still try to refute everything I say.Like you, I am not a scientist, either, but I know my stuff. I've taken some college math and physics, and read many dozens of science books over the years.That's why I'm so sure isotropic fusion pressure is what presses the poles of the Sun outward, mostly countering equatorial bulging and giving the Sun a nearly spherical shape.Gravity wants to make the Sun a perfect sphere. Fusion pressure makes the Sun's plasma "fill up" the gravitational container to it's greatest extent, providing a second force tending to make the Sun a perfect sphere. Two forces trying to achieve the same shape, so most of the bulging gets cancelled out.
I think the problem with your idea is that the fusion inside the sun can have the uncertainty principle applied, the fusion being of random points, so the force would not be isotropic?
Quote from: Thebox on 21/09/2015 19:16:54 I think the problem with your idea is that the fusion inside the sun can have the uncertainty principle applied, the fusion being of random points, so the force would not be isotropic?I don't think there is a problem with my idea. Gravity is "pulling" the Sun into a spherical shape, and fusion pressure is "pushing" the Sun into a spherical shape. Those two tendencies to make a perfect sphere are sufficient to cancel most equatorial bulging.You can't get any more "simple and elegant" than that, and I have proposed no new theories, explaining the effect with existing scientific principles.By the way, I enjoyed your conversation with waitedavid at physforum.com, LOL
But I personally just like the simplicity of quanta being all of the same polarity , and the suns particles all repel each other to hold the suns shape.
I don't think there is a problem with my idea. Gravity is "pulling" the Sun into a spherical shape, and fusion pressure is "pushing" the Sun into a spherical shape. Those two tendencies to make a perfect sphere are sufficient to cancel most equatorial bulging.You can't get any more "simple and elegant" than that, and I have proposed no new theories, explaining the effect with existing scientific principles.
And you are wrong. Let's try to stick to accepted science and reasonable extensions thereof (which may ultimately be wrong, but at least we will learn something by considering the problem)