[Jolly (OP)]

https://apsych.wordpress.com/2015/12/16/anti-psychiatry-an-anarchist-view/

    That mental illnesses don’t literally exist, that the science behind psychiatry is not a real science[1], and that psychiatry is actually a branch of the legal system rather than a discipline of medicine. This the argument put forward by Thomas Szasz in The Myth of Mental Illness.
    That mental illnesses are created by our environments, our society and our relationships with others, not by problems in our brains or bodies; this can be true on the level of abusive personal relationships (see R.D Laing in Sanity, Madness and the Family) or oppressive political and economic relationships (David Cooper most famously argued that capitalist exploitation caused mental breakdown in the working class; see his essay in The Dialectics of Liberation)
    That mental illnesses should be understood as ‘iatrogenic illnesses’- that is, that the psychiatric system actually creates most of the illnesses that it pretends to treat (see Ivan Illich’s book Medical Nemesis),
    That mental illnesses provide a pretext for the state or society to control people, and psychiatric power is a useful way of enforcing compliance to laws or norms. See Erving Goffman’s Asylums, David Cooper’s Psychiatry and Anti-Psychiatry or Murray Edelman’s Political Language, for more on this.

[Jolly (OP)]

And a page about Mk-delta. Dot connecters are welcome to comment-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKDELTA

On 26 April 1976, the Church Committee of the United States Senate issued a report, "Final Report of the Select Commititee to Study Governmental Operation with Respect to Intelligence Activities",[1] In Book I, Chapter XVII, p 389 this report states:

    LSD was one of the materials tested in the MKULTRA program. The final phase of LSD testing involved surreptitious administration to unwitting non-volunteer subjects in normal life settings by undercover officers of the Bureau of Narcotics acting for the CIA.

    A special procedure, designated MKDELTA, was established to govern the use of MKULTRA materials abroad. Such materials were used on a number of occasions. Because MKULTRA records were destroyed, it is impossible to reconstruct the operational use of MKULTRA materials by the CIA overseas; it has been determined that the use of these materials abroad began in 1953, and possibly as early as 1950.[2][3][4][5][6]

    Drugs were used primarily as an aid to interrogations, but MKULTRA/MKDELTA materials were also used for harassment, discrediting, or disabling purposes

[Europan Ocean]

It sounds like the bias coming from Scientologists. People who have fits for example, have a different brain structure and it can be seen, to be believed. It can even be operated on. And Psychiatrists have important work to do in diagnosing psychopaths... And in history, treating Winston Churchill for depression. Also Drs work dealing with epidemics, more people died from the Flu epidemic than in WW1 and this happened shortly after WW1.

Of all the sciences the scientists with the highest matriculation for entry to studies are medicine students. It's the highest science, studying the human body and mind. Our lives depend on them in brain surgery, this may involve being anesthetized and cooled to 12 C, and opening the skull to cure a person. Psychiatrists may become lazy, but they studied a whole medicine degree, beyond BSC, PHD, to doctorate and beyond. It is the top science.

[Jolly (OP)]

It sounds like the bias coming from Scientologists.

I don't think so, there is nothing above about little space spirits attaching themselves to people. Or a need for auditing.

People who have fits for example, have a different brain structure and it can be seen, to be believed.

? You mean you can see through scans that people that suffer fits have a different brain structure. As far as I am aware all people have a different brain structure, as each brain networks in it's own way.

It can even be operated on. And Psychiatrists have important work to do in diagnosing psychopaths...

Sadly it all been given over to computers today. "Computer says yes, you're a psyco"

And in history, treating Winston Churchill for depression. Also Drs work dealing with epidemics, more people died from the Flu epidemic than in WW1 and this happened shortly after WW1.

Of all the sciences the scientists with the highest matriculation for entry to studies are medicine students. It's the highest science, studying the human body and mind. Our lives depend on them in brain surgery, this may involve being anesthetized and cooled to 12 C, and opening the skull to cure a person. Psychiatrists may become lazy,

Yeah I dont think the issue is lazyness, rather a desire to use Psychiatry as a means to control the individual and by extencion the population.

but they studied a whole medicine degree, beyond BSC, PHD, to doctorate and beyond. It is the top science.

Maybe you miss the gist of the general thread, but what I see you saying is, it's the most higly educated people involved in this area. Considering the gist, that's a horror.   

[smart]

    That mental illnesses don’t literally exist, that the science behind psychiatry is not a real science[1], and that psychiatry is actually a branch of the legal system rather than a discipline of medicine. This the argument put forward by Thomas Szasz in The Myth of Mental Illness.

Yes. Psychiatric disorders are creations of the mind were the unique objective is to amend the body with potentially dangerous chemicals.

    That mental illnesses are created by our environments, our society and our relationships with others, not by problems in our brains or bodies; this can be true on the level of abusive personal relationships (see R.D Laing in Sanity, Madness and the Family) or oppressive political and economic relationships (David Cooper most famously argued that capitalist exploitation caused mental breakdown in the working class; see his essay in The Dialectics of Liberation)

Yes. Society create the mental disorders as labels to designate nonconformist behaviors.

    That mental illnesses should be understood as ‘iatrogenic illnesses’- that is, that the psychiatric system actually creates most of the illnesses that it pretends to treat (see Ivan Illich’s book Medical Nemesis),
    That mental illnesses provide a pretext for the state or society to control people, and psychiatric power is a useful way of enforcing compliance to laws or norms. See Erving Goffman’s Asylums, David Cooper’s Psychiatry and Anti-Psychiatry or Murray Edelman’s Political Language, for more on this.

Yes. "Sluggish schizophrenia" is such an example of how politics is manipulating psychiatry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia

Lastly, modern psychiatry is profoundly pseudoscientific voodoo as it doesn't base the diagnosis on biological testing to identify the causes of the disorder.   

 

[Alan McDougall]

    That mental illnesses don’t literally exist, that the science behind psychiatry is not a real science[1], and that psychiatry is actually a branch of the legal system rather than a discipline of medicine. This the argument put forward by Thomas Szasz in The Myth of Mental Illness.

Yes. Psychiatric disorders are creations of the mind were the unique objective is to amend the body with potentially dangerous chemicals.

    That mental illnesses are created by our environments, our society and our relationships with others, not by problems in our brains or bodies; this can be true on the level of abusive personal relationships (see R.D Laing in Sanity, Madness and the Family) or oppressive political and economic relationships (David Cooper most famously argued that capitalist exploitation caused mental breakdown in the working class; see his essay in The Dialectics of Liberation)

Yes. Society create the mental disorders as labels to designate nonconformist behaviors.

    That mental illnesses should be understood as ‘iatrogenic illnesses’- that is, that the psychiatric system actually creates most of the illnesses that it pretends to treat (see Ivan Illich’s book Medical Nemesis),
    That mental illnesses provide a pretext for the state or society to control people, and psychiatric power is a useful way of enforcing compliance to laws or norms. See Erving Goffman’s Asylums, David Cooper’s Psychiatry and Anti-Psychiatry or Murray Edelman’s Political Language, for more on this.

Yes. "Sluggish schizophrenia" is such an example of how politics is manipulating psychiatry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia

Lastly, modern psychiatry is profoundly pseudoscientific voodoo as it doesn't base the diagnosis on biological testing to identify the causes of the disorder.

"You are trying to  convince the forum what is a blatant lie a deception of the first order, religious convoluted absolute inane nonsense. I have suffered from a mental "Illness" for over 30 years and it caused unspeakable suffering and devastation in my life and if it were not for the help of competent psychiatrists and medication I would have committed suicide to put myself out of my misery.

Walk in my shoes and this nonsensical religiosity will vanish like the lying black smoke it is.

I am amazed it is tolerated by the moderators .

[smart]

"You are trying to  convince the forum what is a blatant lie a deception of the first order, religious convoluted absolute inane nonsense. I have suffered from a mental "Illness" for over 30 years and it caused unspeakable suffering and devastation in my life and if it were not for the help of competent psychiatrists and medication I would have committed suicide to put myself out of my misery.

There's nothing religious about anti-psychiatry. The concept emerged from psychiatrists attempting to rationalize their unethical behavior. Psychiatry is repressive and controlling by nature: I can see with your objections that you're having difficulties in dealing with freethinking...

In reality, your so called "brilliant madness" is nothing but your imagination having found a "cure" to your fictitious mental disorder in medication. However I don't think medication improves or enhances the mind; it is a fallacy thinking that drugs do not impair cognitive processes.

At the very least, I'm happy you survived your delusional episodes. In my case, forced medication is in opposition to my free will.

I hope the best for you and wish you well.

tkadm30

[Alan McDougall]

"You are trying to  convince the forum what is a blatant lie a deception of the first order, religious convoluted absolute inane nonsense. I have suffered from a mental "Illness" for over 30 years and it caused unspeakable suffering and devastation in my life and if it were not for the help of competent psychiatrists and medication I would have committed suicide to put myself out of my misery.

There's nothing religious about anti-psychiatry. The concept emerged from psychiatrists attempting to rationalize their unethical behavior. Psychiatry is repressive and controlling by nature: I can see with your objections that you're having difficulties in dealing with freethinking...

In reality, your so called "brilliant madness" is nothing but your imagination having found a "cure" to your fictitious mental disorder in medication. However I don't think medication improves or enhances the mind; it is a fallacy thinking that drugs do not impair cognitive processes.

At the very least, I'm happy you survived your delusional episodes. In my case, forced medication is in opposition to my free will.

I hope the best for you and wish you well.

tkadm30

You are using this forum to proselytize your godless belief system and what you say is highly offensive and something a small child could refute as the inane rubbish it is!

No one forced any medicine on me and I am most likely the most fee thinker on this forum, but not so out of the box type like you that my brain has fallen out of my head!

You cannot know what goes on inside my head and what you say is just a lot of speculative garbage.

An-psychiatry has its origin in religion namely the cultic Scientology sci-fiction rubbish.   It is easy for you to blabber on about something that you have never experienced. The brain is just one of many organs of the human body, that can get sick, such as the liver, heart or lungs etc?

You hypocrites will take pain pills or drink alcohol, which alters your brain chemistry in an almost same manner as psychotropic medicines do. Thus by this logic, a headache is just a delusion set up by our evil brains to make us miserable

[smart]

You are using this forum to proselytize your godless belief system and what you say is highly offensive and something a small child could refute as the inane rubbish it is!

You should definitely try smoking some weed!

No one forced any medicine on me and I am most likely the most fee thinker on this forum, but not so out of the box type like you that my brain has fallen out of my head!

Whatever that means, I'm pretty sure you're not totally insane.

You cannot know what goes on inside my head and what you say is just a lot of speculative garbage.

An-psychiatry has its origin in religion namely the cultic Scientology sci-fiction rubbish.   It is easy for you to blabber on about something that you have never experienced. The brain is just one of many organs of the human body, that can get sick, such as the liver, heart or lungs etc?

You hypocrites will take pain pills or drink alcohol, which alters your brain chemistry in an almost same manner as psychotropic medicines do. Thus by this logic, a headache is just a delusion set up by our evil brains to make us miserable

You're confusing a neurological condition and a mental disorder, I think.

[Alan McDougall]

You are using this forum to proselytize your godless belief system and what you say is highly offensive and something a small child could refute as the inane rubbish it is!

You should definitely try smoking some weed!

No one forced any medicine on me and I am most likely the most fee thinker on this forum, but not so out of the box type like you that my brain has fallen out of my head!

Whatever that means, I'm pretty sure you're not totally insane.

You cannot know what goes on inside my head and what you say is just a lot of speculative garbage.

An-psychiatry has its origin in religion namely the cultic Scientology sci-fiction rubbish.   It is easy for you to blabber on about something that you have never experienced. The brain is just one of many organs of the human body, that can get sick, such as the liver, heart or lungs etc?

You hypocrites will take pain pills or drink alcohol, which alters your brain chemistry in an almost same manner as psychotropic medicines do. Thus by this logic, a headache is just a delusion set up by our evil brains to make us miserable

You're confusing a neurological condition and a mental disorder, I think.

I will not waste any more time or effort refuting your "Religious" nonsense you are now one of two people on my ignore list since I joined the forum some years ago!

[Alan McDougall]

"You are trying to  convince the forum what is a blatant lie a deception of the first order, religious convoluted absolute inane nonsense. I have suffered from a mental "Illness" for over 30 years and it caused unspeakable suffering and devastation in my life and if it were not for the help of competent psychiatrists and medication I would have committed suicide to put myself out of my misery.

There's nothing religious about anti-psychiatry. The concept emerged from psychiatrists attempting to rationalize their unethical behavior. Psychiatry is repressive and controlling by nature: I can see with your objections that you're having difficulties in dealing with freethinking...

In reality, your so called "brilliant madness" is nothing but your imagination having found a "cure" to your fictitious mental disorder in medication. However I don't think medication improves or enhances the mind; it is a fallacy thinking that drugs do not impair cognitive processes.

At the very least, I'm happy you survived your delusional episodes. In my case, forced medication is in opposition to my free will.

I hope the best for you and wish you well.

tkadm30

I just also want to emphasise that your Scientology nonsense such as that there is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder and all psychiatrists are depraved crooks falls into the very same category of inane stupidity as the following?

The earth is flat
The earth is hollow
The moon landing was a Hollywood production
The universe is 6000 years old.
We are not real but a computer simulation
The US Government and aliens are in a conspiracy
We are ruled by shapeshifting lizards
The British royal family and all American presidents were are shapeshifting lizards
9/11 was ordered by the CIA on the instructions of George Bush.
President Obama is the Antichrist
All Popes are the Antichrist
The end of days is happening today or tomorrow
All pharmaceutical companies have a secret agenda to destroy humanity
God comes from another planet in the universe
Adinfinitum, Adinfinitum................................................................

[smart]

I just also want to emphasise that your Scientology nonsense such as that there is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder and all psychiatrists are depraved crooks falls into the very same category of inane stupidity as the following?

The earth is flat
The earth is hollow
The moon landing was a Hollywood production
The universe is 6000 years old.
We are not real but a computer simulation
The US Government and aliens are in a conspiracy
We are ruled by shapeshifting lizards
The British royal family and all American presidents were are shapeshifting lizards
9/11 was ordered by the CIA on the instructions of George Bush.
President Obama is the Antichrist
All Popes are the Antichrist
The end of days is happening today or tomorrow
All pharmaceutical companies have a secret agenda to destroy humanity
God comes from another planet in the universe
Adinfinitum, Adinfinitum................................................................

Anti-psychiatry is a real philosophy of science. There's no evidences it is based on Scientology; this is a product of your imagination once again. Cannabis based medicine may help you introspect why your hate is profoundly unscientific and delusional.   

[Alan McDougall]

I just also want to emphasise that your Scientology nonsense such as that there is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder and all psychiatrists are depraved crooks falls into the very same category of inane stupidity as the following?

The earth is flat
The earth is hollow
The moon landing was a Hollywood production
The universe is 6000 years old.
We are not real but a computer simulation
The US Government and aliens are in a conspiracy
We are ruled by shapeshifting lizards
The British royal family and all American presidents were are shapeshifting lizards
9/11 was ordered by the CIA on the instructions of George Bush.
President Obama is the Antichrist
All Popes are the Antichrist
The end of days is happening today or tomorrow
All pharmaceutical companies have a secret agenda to destroy humanity
God comes from another planet in the universe
Adinfinitum, Adinfinitum................................................................

Anti-psychiatry is a real philosophy of science. There's no evidences it is based on Scientology; this is a product of your imagination once again. Cannabis based medicine may help you introspect why your hate is profoundly unscientific and delusional.

No it is you who is profoundly delusional because you are spaced out on weed and by your twisted logic you want me to replace one drug with another one which has a much more negative affect on brain function.

Go audit yourself back to reality!

And you are a Scientologist just too ashamed to admit it and Tom Cruise in your prophet!

[JimBob]

I am locking this topic. It has gone completely off-subject. Personal insults will not be tolerated. Both of you have gone too far,

JimBob