[demografx]

ADULT ADHD/ADD

I finally relented and accepted this diagnosis a couple years back. Skeptical as I was, the prescribed stimulants have performed well.

Observing my brain fog more closely this current round of POIS, wow! Was my concentration ever piss-poor! (pardon the French)

I wonder if 30+ years of brain fog from POIS is where I got this "Adult ADHD/ADD" ??

Q. How many kids with ADD does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. I don't know. How many?
Q. I think I'll go ride my bicycle now.

[demografx]

Someone posted this at girlwind's POIS video site:

"Chronic excessive sex in the past alternates and exhausts the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal function. Likely drugs, sex is very addictive due to neuroplasticity. What do you think? "

Interesting!

[demografx]

Hey people im still around =)
I have my first session with our university mental health counsellor to talk about this with her. I seem to remember an online form, where users could submit their symptoms and all sorts of information.. Id like to show this to her as i found it very useful =)
could someone please link me?? []

mikemensch@gmail.com is my email

http://pois.olympe-network.com/
I'll also email it to you
RAPIDGAMING, Best wishes with the counselor

[Counterpoints]

IMPORTANT NOTICE:

The MD PhD is starting research on this condition.  I am still keeping his identity from being publicly available for the time being, since he won't be able to communicate to us if he receives too many e-mails.  If you do wish to consult with him in person, send me a private message to this effect.  To those who have already sent me such messages, I will respond.  I am first waiting for some more information from the physician.

He has requested a complete list of symptoms, using 1 or 2 word descriptions (e.g. fatigue, mental fog, ...)

Please post all of your symptoms here.

[Counterpoints]

ALSO:
If you have a theory about POIS, now is the time to articulate it as clearly and as thoroughly as you possibly can.   

I think we are making really good progress!!!!


I've said I would get back to him by the end of the week.

[demografx]

IMPORTANT NOTICE:

The MD PhD is starting research on this condition.  I am still keeping his identity from being publicly available for the time being, since he won't be able to communicate to us if he receives too many e-mails.  If you do wish to consult with him in person, send me a private message to this effect.  To those who have already sent me such messages, I will respond.  I am first waiting for some more information from the physician.

He has requested a complete list of symptoms, using 1 or 2 word descriptions (e.g. fatigue, mental fog, ...)

Please post all of your symptoms here.

Counterpoints, excellent!

Can we send symptoms to you via Private Message?

[msl]

Chronic excessive sex in the past alternates and exhausts the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal function. Likely drugs, sex is very addictive due to neuroplasticity. What do you think?

I can see how that makes sense. When i was younger and just discovered it I used to masturbate quite frequently. The problem is with society is there is a stigma talking about it and all that is said is that its fine and completely normal. I thought it was pretty much normal and natural. After 1 or 2 years i started noticing fatigue the following day so id limit myself to once every couple of days. and it just got worse after that xD

[imre1]

...you can for example dance for 6 hours no stop without getting tired, out of breath (an other one of those "I thought i would never do this again", and a trilion times more fun then sex).

imre1, are you saying dancing is way more fun than sex? If so...please post your dance steps.....NOW!! []

Of course dancing is A LOT more fun!

Anyway after all this suffering just about anything is more fun then sex.

[imre1]

Chronic excessive sex in the past alternates and exhausts the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal function. Likely drugs, sex is very addictive due to neuroplasticity. What do you think?

I can see how that makes sense. When i was younger and just discovered it I used to masturbate quite frequently. The problem is with society is there is a stigma talking about it and all that is said is that its fine and completely normal. I thought it was pretty much normal and natural. After 1 or 2 years i started noticing fatigue the following day so id limit myself to once every couple of days. and it just got worse after that xD

Sex is addictive due to dopamine. Dopamine is 10 times more addictive then cocaine.

[imre1]

One thing I have tried that has helped with my CFS and also to a partial degree with POIS, that is supposed to stimulate the circulatory system, is cayenne pepper. I read about a guy who had CFS who claimed cayenne pepper was a big factor in him regaining his health. Its health benefits were originally promoted by a Dr.Schultz. I have taken it all of this year in the morning and I think it has been a factor in my improving health. I have to admit I have only taken regular 'very hot' cayenne pepper powder. The advocates of this spice highly recommend taking super hot pepper with 100,000+HU rating, which I haven’t as yet, as it’s just not in shops.

HEY ACRONYM: Where do you get super hot cayenne? And how much do you take, and how?

It's probably not the same thing. But this made me think of an other very hot pepper solution, sinus buster.

http://www.sinusbuster.com/

This however did nothing for me whatsoever.

[Counterpoints]

Can we send symptoms to you via Private Message?

Yes, that works.  One or two (or three ) word descriptions only please.  The symptom description section of the POIS form,
http://pois.olympe-network.com, is also a good way to express this information.  I will be sure to compile what people have already written there.  I'll also take a quick look through the forum posts (especially B_Jim's early post which is being updated), but I probably will miss a lot -- I don't have time to read the 70 pages again.  So if anyone wishes to point out what I've missed, or compile some of that information themselves, it would be appreciated.

[Counterpoints]

Just for everyone's information, I have told demografx who this MD PhD is, and he has seen his CV.

[demografx]

Of course dancing is A LOT more fun!
Anyway after all this suffering just about anything is more fun then sex.

imre1, of course! I should have realized almost anything is a LOT more fun than sex! Especially since I just recovered from my latest POIS AGONY!

[demografx]

Just for everyone's information, I have told demografx who this MD PhD is, and he has seen his CV.

Impressive credentials, Counterpoints. And a friend who is a well respected sexuality research colleague of this physician speaks very highly of him. I agree that multiple emails from the forum might be too much for him to handle at this stage.

I sent the symptom description below to Counterpoints as a Private Message, but I thought I would post it here as well if it can help someone to see how I did it.

Counterpoints, I think it would be good to have this data shared amongst us. And with Dr. Marcel Waldinger. Can you make it available?

POIS SYMPTOMS

last 3-4 days
all fingertips "burning", "numb"
emotional numbness
brain fog (poor concentration)
moderate to severe exhaustion
excessive yet nonrefreshing sleep
depression
irritability
anxiety

Symptoms alleviated 50% to 75% by Levitra 10 mg

Theory: nitric oxide somehow plays role.

[John21 (OP)]

Concerning nitric oxide L-arginine is indeed one avenue to explore.  I am also curious about the effects of consuming more vegetables high in nitrate such as spinach/radish/beets, might this have any counterPOIS effects? NO is also made during exorcise apparently. Anyone ever workout or go jogging before relations?  []

[acronym]

Msg for Girlwind re cayenne
Hi there, below is link for the cfs guy who took cayenne:
whale.to/a/bob  (type dot html at end an www at the front. I keep getting errors when trying to post this msg!)
Unfortunately I dont have a link to a site which has this super hot cayenne. I tried the Dr.Shultz link on the curezone.com website, but I cant see where its sold, but I had the impression it was sold by this guy. I have not used this super hot cayenne just because it was not that easy to come by. I was using 'very hot' cayenne powder from supermarket & tabasco sauce, but I have no idea what its HU rating is. Id like to actually try find a supply of the really really hot stuff to try, and just saw demografx link so will check that out.

Also just a quick comment on the thyroid front from my perspective. I had blood test for TSH + T4 and they came back normal. I am sure you have read up on this and know what tests to ask for. I remember reading up on thyroid patients and found quite a number of sufferers who just had the basic test and where told everything was fine only to keep pushing doctors after many yrs of continued symptoms for more tests, and then when a more comprehensive blood test was done it showed up with abnormalities. For me I did not push this with my doc as it was not a clear case with me. I have symptoms I could tick off on both sides - hyper + hypo and dont really have the classic physical manifestations which doctors love to see. I tried an seaweed extract many yrs ago and I certainly didnt feel better for it. Like hurray, the quality of my hair + skin also deterorates for the next fews days afterwards and I have dark circles around my eyes and look more haggard. Sometimes people at work think Ive been out drinking all night.
I definitely believe there is a subset of CFS sufferers for who a thyroid disorder could be a major aspect in accounting for their substandard health, though in my personal opinion I just dont think its the key to pois. Good luck with your upcoming tests.

[girlwind]

Hello Acronyn: Thanks for the attempt to locate the hot cayenne.  I started using regular cayenne yesterday,
just a 1/4 tsp.  Is that enough?

And OH MY GOD--the thyroid!  The more I read the angrier I get at HOW MUCH DELIBERATE DECEPTION and
INVALIDATION there has been for patients around this issue.  In regard to BOTH diagnosis and treatment! And very
predictably, there is a lot written about how the drug companies are/were very involved in attempting to suppress
the use of the more natural thyroid hormone--(ARMOUR), which most thyroid patients feel much better on, and
which was used for about a HUNDRED years before the synthetic one (SYNTHROID) came into the "market."

I also have both hyper and hypo thyroid symptoms, but more hypo. And most of my past thyroid tests did not
include the tests that are more apt to reveal the problem. TSH is the "uber-test" for standard allo-pathetic (spelling
intentional!) medicine, yet this test MISSES many people who have hypothyroid. You need the FREE T3 and FREE T4 and
probably the thyroid antibody tests as well to get a really good clear diagnosis. In my case, the thyroid is definitely a
problem, as my tests now reveal. I wonder how much of my CFS is due to thyroid issues. I have read that 90% of
those with CFS have an underlying thyroid problems.  (That's according to Dr. Dale Guyer.)

I have DEFINITELY seen benefits from increasing iodine intake when it comes to POIS, despite the side effects of
heavy metal detox it causes me. Whether it's just the iodine itself, or the effect iodine has on boosting my thyroid, is yet
to be dtmd. That is what I intend to find out next.

[demografx]

POIS SYMPTOMS for Counterpoints (changes in bold)

POIS SYMPTOMS

they last 3-4 days
all fingertips "dry/burning", "numb"
emotional numbness
brain fog (poor concentration)
moderate to severe exhaustion
excessive yet nonrefreshing sleep
depression
irritability
anxiety
impaired creativity
imaired memory

[demografx]

I have DEFINITELY seen benefits from increasing iodine intake when it comes to POIS, despite the side effects of heavy metal detox it causes me.

Very encouraging, girlwind!

[demografx]

Concerning nitric oxide L-arginine is indeed one avenue to explore.  I am also curious about the effects of consuming more vegetables high in nitrate such as spinach/radish/beets, might this have any counterPOIS effects? NO is also made during exorcise apparently. Anyone ever workout or go jogging before relations?  []

John, is nitrate the same as NO?