[johanstefansson]

I can relate to your previous eating lifestyle - eating very low fat foods. I too was raised on a strict low fat diet because of the perceived benefits of a diet without fats.  This was during the 80's when popular anti-fat dieting programs were hyped.  I adopted these negative beliefs about fats and rarely ate lipids of any type until 20 years later (after learning about their nutritional value)

My mother only purchased food that was low fat, hmm not good.
Cant say she was the best cook.

[GDRTW]

I have mentioned before that for me the burning sensation is the most debilitating for me. I would call it more just a very sensitive retina. As if it had been bruised. Always hard to explain these sensations of pain sometimes. Anyway here are a few things (legal) I have noticed help me. Again, what works for one will not help the other necessarily .

Huperzine A
Feenugreek with a good dose of green tea before and after O.
Liquid B-12
Monster Khaos Energy Drink (the best of the energy drinks I have tried. Strong doses of B2, B3, B6, B12 and taurine with a good dose of caffeine in as well. This one fixed a lot of my brain fog as well)
Zinc + Magnesium
Coffee (slightly)
Sleep (the best cure)
B3 Niacin (not sure how helpful this is)

If there is anything anyone else can advise me with. The brainfog and other symptoms do not compare with the discomfort of the eye pain. I also get severe eye pain from my Electronic magnetic sensitivity (EMS) issue. I think it contributed with my POIS. Both started close enough to each other to raise an eyebrow or two. 
I am a daily reader and I am loving the honest and compelling insight into it all

[Vincent M]

my symptoms changed completly and i dont expiereince knee pain what so ever like it was never existed.knee pain replaced by abdomen pain

Do you know of any reason why your knee pain might have disappeared?

[Vincent M]

I have mentioned before that for me the burning sensation is the most debilitating for me. I would call it more just a very sensitive retina. As if it had been bruised.

Glad to read that fenugreek+tea has been working for you. I remember you saying you were going to try it, but this is your first report on it. How long has it been helping you?

Omega 3 fish oil capsules help my burning eyes slightly. While I don't have much light sensitivity a slight breeze of wind will force me to shut my eyes due to the pain and even if I roll my eyes around in my head with my eyelids shut I can feel the pain as if the muscles surrounding my eyeballs are also inflamed. I'm incapable of looking anyone in the eyes because the pain will flare up immediately and my eyes will start to water.

Also I'm curious about your EMS. Do you immediately feel worse around any electronic device or when near power lines or the like and then do you immediately feel better if you go out into a secluded area in nature like a forest? Personally I've never noticed a difference even when hiking on mountains.

[RD]

so-called EMS ,  aka Electromagnetic hypersensitivity, is either symptoms of an organic-disease wrongly attributed to exposure to electrical devices , or a somatoform disorder ...

The majority of provocation trials to date have found that self-described sufferers of electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to distinguish between exposure to real and fake electromagnetic fields, and it is not recognized as a medical condition by the medical or scientific communities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

[Prancer]

I don't often eat foods high in fat either. I tried the olive oil, and it definitely helps in the short term, but the effect will wear off. Still, it's way better than not taking it. I don't wanna go too crazy with the fat content, so that I don't experience any problems long in the future. Olive oil's a very good food though and I really like it!

I think it's a good idea to have a healthy diet anyway, POIS or not. Starting a few years ago, my girlfriend really got me into eating healthier, and since then the only type of food we will buy is the unrefined or unprocessed kind  (we shop at whole foods nearly all the time). Of course, my diet's not perfect, and I still enjoy various sweets, desserts and soft drinks once in a while. I don't drink alcohol, but in the very rare occasions that I have, it didn't really help my symptoms. I also keep active by running/walking with friends and biking once in a while.

Other than POIS, I am really healthy (like many of us), which is what confuses me the most! And as a last thought,  this month the only times my POIS has had quick "relief" was when I was injured (once severely twisting my left ankle from falling off a segway and the other time from falling off a bike and getting scraped). Pain = relief. Bad way to get relief! Hopefully our cure comes sooner than later.

[gondal4]

my symptoms changed completly and i dont expiereince knee pain what so ever like it was never existed.knee pain replaced by abdomen pain

Do you know of any reason why your knee pain might have disappeared?

Dont know exactly but when i remained ill (hepatitis a) for 3 months after that when i recovered from illness knee pain was not there.

[RD]

... Dont know exactly but when i remained ill (hepatitis a) for 3 months after that when i recovered from illness knee pain was not there.

If you are looking for an organic illness which connects hepatitis and knee [joint] pain, try "cryoglobulinemic vasculitis" ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18281853  [ arthralgia = joint pain ]

[nathan123]

Hi it has been a long time to posted in the forum. 

From the blessings of god, my POIS not bounced back and enjoying third month of POIS free life.  Having O around three times a weak.   Feeling enrgetic, calm and cool. 

Further, during POIS period, I noticed premature ejaculation in me.  But after two months of POIS free life, this problem also gone now.

I would post next post in next month

[happy2]

Hi everybody, I'm new to the forum.  I have been dealing with POIS syndrome since I was in high school.  I'm now 32.  As of last year, September of 2012, I found this forum and it was only then I knew I had this disorder all these years.

Great post, happy2. I love reading about which supplements/treatments members have found to be of benefit. Definitely try the claritin at least an hour before orgasm; benadryl should work a little faster. It seems to me that a lot of the benefit I gained from those two antihistamines was due to better quality and longer sleep. I have a question for you. What exactly are your POIS symptoms? For instance I have burning eyes and joint pain after orgasm, which not many of us experience.

Also you said that you take flush free niacin; just want to make sure you're aware that most members have required the flush in order to experience the full effect of niacin.

Thanks Vincent M.

It's really good to be a part of the effort in finding a treatment for this disorder.  My POIS symptoms are joint pain, including fingers, neck, back, and knees.  The cognitive symptoms for me are by far the worst though.  They include brain fog, "can't find the right words" when talking to people.  I can do almost anything with POIS, including hard labor, and I have seen others post that intensive exercise helps also.  The only thing I can not do is be around people and do anything that causes me to be around other people in social interaction type settings.  This in itself is extremely debilitating, and it is probably by far the most debilitating factor when dealing with POIS.  That, to me, is probably why POIS should be classified as a mental disorder.  I believe it is an allergy, as I have found tremendous relief from the more severe symptoms by taking anti-histamines.  I wanted to ask you a question, or anyone else who gets this message.  It's about the Niacin with a flush.  I have been taking flush-free Niacin.  OK.  When do I ingest the flush Niacin?  Is it before orgasm, and if so, how long before?  I think I remember someone said that once the flush occurs, after about 30 minutes, then it's safe to go.  My only thing is that I've been taking the flush-free every day because I'm surviving on nocturnal emissions alone, and have been for a long, long time.  If there's a better way I'd like to know.  Thanks.  If I could find the cure by taking something before orgasm, then that might be better than waiting for the nocturnal emissions and taking something after.

Happy2

[happy2]

Thanks B_Jim,

7-8 days was the maximum amount I had last year.  I also had some 5-6 day symptoms also sometimes.  The Benadryl and Claritin have worked really well immediately following orgasm.  I don't know if I have the cohoneys to try to alter that system.  I will definitely try to take some of the above medications before orgasm however, and see if I can maximize the effect even greater.  Thanks for the post.

Claritin has a delay of 2 hours to be active. Take claritin 2h-2h30 before orgasm and you will have the maximum effect. This is confirmed by canadian website.
On the canadian website I see they made claritine "ultra-fondant", a quick effect version of claritin. The med is used by sublingual way.

Thanks B_Jim,

That helps a lot.

[Prancer]

I'm also more timid around people during POIS, even though I enjoy being with companions. It seems a lot of us share similar personality traits. Sometimes I wonder if something about our similarities causes POIS or if POIS causes our similarities.

[fornicationDENIED2]

This is my new supplementation regimen

Magnesium consumption used to be low, but now I am going for  420 mg or maybe more (yet not in excess) due to my joint pain after O and it's apparent role in treating osteoporosis and dopamine boosting since dopamine is needed to reduce prolactin at the moment of orgasm. Prolactin is attributed to disrupting neoruhormonal balance by reducing testosterone, etc. and increases after O.The tuberoinfundibular DA system inhibits prolactin synthesis and release from the anterior pituitary. Antipsychotic drugs, which antagonize D2 receptors, elevate levels of prolactin. Conversely, D2 receptor agonists, such as bromocriptine, can be used to suppress hyperprolactemia, which is most commonly caused by prolactin-secreting pituitary adenomas I also supplemented amino acids and iron.Catecholamine biosynthesis begins with dietary tyrosine, which is actively transported into the brain (or peripheral sympathetic neurons). It is hydroxylated within neurons at the 3 position by the enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase (TH) to form dihydroxyphenylalanine (dopa). TH requires Fe2+ as a cofactor, as well as molecular oxygen and tetrahydrobiopterin (a hydrogen donor). An inhibitor of TH, α-methylparatyrosine (AMPT) has been used historically as an experimental tool to study catecholamine function; more recent alternatives include mice genetically engineered to lack TH or other enzymes in the biosynthetic pathway.Meat is a poor amino acid source not only for the synthetic hormones it contains , but also because the human digestive system is not acidic enough to decompose meat like carnivores, and can cause immunologic issues in IBD patients like me. Soy protein reduces testosterone by increasing estrogen, reduces zinc absorbtion and disrupts tyroid function so I stopped soy protein. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16571087  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3559747
That is why supplements of protein/amino acids work better for me. B complex vitamins are part of my diet. I also consume olive oil wich contains building blocks of hormones and vitamin D is essential for increasing testosterone and serotonin etc.. Zinc supplementaion was the most noticable improvement since after it's supplementation I have nocturnal emmissions of 80% less symptoms.

[Gbolduev]

DENIED,

Just do the  testing and stop guessing.   There is a program  that I suggested which  contains everything  that you mentioned for POIS. And some people are on it and feeling better, but  for everybody there is  their own program., since POIS  is not the same thing for everyone.  Estrogen dominance  is not the only your reason .
POIS is  too much or too low  acetylcholine..    High thyroid high dopamine high progesterone   low acetylcholine,   low  thyroid  low dopamine low progesterone high acetylcholine.

[fornicationDENIED2]

DENIED,

Just do the  testing and stop guessing.   There is a program  that I suggested which  contains everything  that you mentioned for POIS. And some people are on it and feeling better, but  for everybody there is  their own program., since POIS  is not the same thing for everyone.  Estrogen dominance  is not the only your reason .
POIS is  too much or too low  acetylcholine..    High thyroid high dopamine high progesterone   low acetylcholine,   low  thyroid  low dopamine low progesterone high acetylcholine.

What program? What testing should I conduct and why?

I forgot to say I supplement manganese to 22mg, it increases LH, promoting testosterone production etc. I am placing some importance to testosterone because of my poor muscle mass that I must icrease fast due to injury and my low T.
I also use H2 antagonist zantac because of this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9088875
on full blown POIS.

[fornicationDENIED2]

Testosterone importance http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21693622
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15240608

Nsaids inhibit COX 1 and COX 2 inhibiting prostaglandin H2 formation.

[Gbolduev]

Denied,

If you carefully  read this forum you would know that I posted   different programs for different POIS  cases ,  it looks like you are taking one of my postings.   I hope it matches  your  body chemistry.   Manganese  raises acetylcholine, which raises  DHT. Manganese  raises  sodium level. Zinc chelates manganese.  To take manganese  and zinc you need certain ratio. The most important ratio in  your cell is  NA/K .  So  if you know where you are on that ratio, then you can take minerals.

They are 2 cases,     low acetycholine   high testosterone ,  low DHT  ----POIS is caused by low DHT.  Try to give  low DHT person  saw palmetto..you will go right into  POIS.

secondly,  there is high acetylcholine ,  low testosterone  high DHT high estrogen ---symptoms are caused by low testosterone.

Good luck ,

I hope it  helps

It is good that someone is using manganese for a change.

[fornicationDENIED2]

Denied,

If you carefully  read this forum you would know that I posted   different programs for different POIS  cases ,  it looks like you are taking one of my postings.   I hope it matches  your  body chemistry.   Manganese  raises acetylcholine, which raises  DHT. Manganese  raises  sodium level. Zinc chelates manganese.  To take manganese  and zinc you need certain ratio. The most important ratio in  your cell is  NA/K .  So  if you know where you are on that ratio, then you can take minerals.

They are 2 cases,     low acetycholine   high testosterone ,  low DHT  ----POIS is caused by low DHT.  Try to give  low DHT person  saw palmetto..you will go right into  POIS.

secondly,  there is high acetylcholine ,  low testosterone  high DHT high estrogen ---symptoms are caused by low testosterone.

Good luck ,

I hope it  helps

It is good that someone is using manganese for a change.

High DHT apparently fits in with the rest of the puzzle.  DHT is the one that does most to promote erections, especially spontaneous ones and those experienced during REM sleep and wet dreams. I was looking for an answer to that, you indeed have helped me. I was suspecting high acetycholine for quite some time, but could not find a way to explain every single reason, how it worked and how to fix it naturally. Now I think I know what to do.

[Jonas STHLM]

My name is Jonas and i´m new to this forum, i like to get in touch with other poisers living in Sweden or Stockholm.

My symtoms are:

Burning eyes
Bloated stomach
Flulike state
Severe fatigue
Very sluggish cognitively
Lack of concentration
Confusion
Dizziness
Headaches
Extreme anxiety/depression
Sore muscles
Memory problems
Difficulty breathing
Difficulty sleeping
Bad temper
Lack of libido.


The symptoms last for two weeks. I have had this symptoms for about 15-18 years. I have contacted a expert in sexual medicine here in Stockholm. If you live in Stockholm or in Sweden, feel free to contact me.

So far i have tried :

Cortison
Antihistamines
Testosterone gel
And also blood tests to look for inflammation, no luck so far.

[fornicationDENIED2]

I have some recent tests here done for testing looking for a way to explain weight loss, possibly thanks to POIS, but I also did a CT scan and my intestines look fine, and no problems in gonads, seminal vesicles nor prostate, they even commented my seminal vesicles were in "EXCELLENT CONDITION" salting the wound.

Alkaline Phosphatase 78.00 IU/L
Sodium 144.0 MEQ/L
Potassium 4.40 MMOL/L
Chloride 105.0 MEQ/L
Calcium 10.0 MG/DL
CO2 28 MEQ/L
Creatinine 0.74 MG/DL
Bilirubin total 0.90 MG/DL
Globulin 2.50 GM/DL
Albumin 5.0 GM/DL
Total protein 7.50 G/DL
ALT 15.0 U/L
AST 16.0 U/L
BUN 8.0 MG/DL
GLUCOSE 92.00 MG/DL