[nathan123]

Nathan

How old were suffering from symptoms of pois?

the onset of puberty?

Suffering from 2005 and cured in 2013

[nathan123]

Also wanted to add to your post, when Nathan was in POIS his Ceruplasmin was low. After recovering from POIS, his Ceruplasmin level reached normal. 

Dr. Kumar - Were you the doctor that requested Nathan to have his cerruloplasmin checked?  What led you to request that test be ordered - Is it just a common test in India, or did you specifically select it to be tested?

Also, what do you think the link might be between POIS and the low cerruloplasmin - and do you have a theory on how the panchakarma treatment might increase cerruloplasmin levels?  Thanks for your continued help

It is not normal test undergone in India and no doctor has referred me for this. As suggested by Herman, I undergone this test and not referred by Dr.  (new or old oness)

[nathan123]

Yesterday, I had conversation with the Gaurav. He told that he has cured only 40 to 50% of his POIS from Panchakarma treatment. Further, for the balance POIS, he told he is undergoing additional investigation / life style changes under supervisio of doctor.  He also told he will revert soon after his additional procedures and post the result whether he cured fully or upto certain extent.  It seems (as per understanding of me) his POIS is due to two reasons i..e Toxins and for another additional treatment is going on. 

Also,  I & my doctor met many patients (around 40)(as I promised to help POIS sufferers & spreading the awareness in my local area) who are suffering from symptoms of Brain Fog, tightness in Nose, Confusion, Anxiety & they taking treatment as Migraine headache. We requested them to observe how they will reach after orgasm.  Interestingly, 4 people symtoms, will trigger only after orgasm and it is POIS. So, this is not a rare disease and lack of awareness many people taking treatment under different disease name.

Also, as non availability of Panchakarma in most of other countries, I & my doc, started to do small research on other similar treatments (which scientifically approved) which is available in other places and found some of the things which is alternative & objective of that also same as Panchakarma i.e. to remove toxins.

Further, regarding the accuracy & reliability of our theory (considering this is a scientific forum), we will also coming up with prove our theory. So, that all will understand reduction in symtoms in just four days if followed the procedures in daily routine of life. 

[B_Daniel]

Hello All:

I’d like to announce that the most likely cause of the symptomatic representation of so called POIS has been discovered via a 6-month research where personal funds and efforts have been placed into use to find the mechanisms of the action of the syndrome. The syndrome will have a unique name that would be partially descriptive of the primary cause of action.

The syndrome is also most likely a direct cause of symptom representation in several systemic illnesses such as chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromaylagia and other inflammatory conditions where Antinuclear Antibody Tests (ANA) have failed to confirm a diagnosis of an inflammatory condition, as an example.

While the process that triggers POIS flare ups will be represented in a simplified form, the effective list of methods to control the symptoms and possible approaches that may permanently resolve the root cause of the syndrome will be posted as well, however, under no circumstances it should be taken as a medical advice or perceived as cure. You will need to consult with your doctor before attempting any of the approaches. There will be no specific protocols listed; however, some supplements and lifestyle modifications pointing in the right direction to heal will be described.

Now, there are some good news and some not so good news. The good news is that the syndrome cycle can be effectively managed. The difficult part would be to find an underlying cause on an individual basis that contributes to the condition itself. The treatment of underlying cause may be as simple as modifications in diet and as complex as a long term care. Nevertheless, managing the symptoms will mostly likely help to improve the outcome in the long term. However, ignoring the condition may lead to serious health issues down the road. On the other hand, this does not necessarily apply to every individual case since the root causes may spontaneously resolve at any time as they do in many CFS individuals.

There are only a couple of individuals involved in the process and we are building an informational portal that will present to all of you the bare basics of mechanisms of action and basic supplementation summary to help you to manage it. This will be done in hope that this condition will finally be acknowledged by medical practitioners where presented information may medical provider to propose an effective treatment approach. It is estimated that it will take us 3-6 weeks to get the information ready.

Although there was no medical authority involved in the research, and a further investigation will probably be warranted, the symptom sequencing, tested solutions and medical laboratory tests had pointed most likely to the direct cause of the issue. The most effective solutions presented on the forums across the web, will become self explanatory as to the reason they have been helpful to many.

I will post a further update on this forum as soon as information is ready.

Sincerely,
S. Lav RS.

who are you?  ps - any solicitations for money on this forum are not allowed so if those are your intentions please pack them up.

Sincerely,

B. Dan IEL.

[acronym]

slavrs.
Give us a bit of a clue then. Also did you have pois and did you cure yourself or did you just have CFS?

"The difficult part would be to find an underlying cause on an individual basis".
Why if the cause is the same for all of us which you seemed to imply in your opening paragraph?

[Gbolduev]

It is amazing that   some people  like SLAVRS  will take  the info  posted by me here , create a website and then try to make money from it.

 "The difficult part would be to find an underlying cause on an individual basis".
Why if the cause is the same for all of us which you seemed to imply in your opening paragraph?

The answer is simple ,  this person will copy what I have been saying for 6 months exactly.  And  most probably  this person was treated by me.

 Just simply amazing.   I hate opportunistic  pricks.  We already  know what CFS is and what  fibromalgia is and what causes it and how  to deal with it.  http://drlwilson.com/Articles/CHRONIC%20FATIGUE.HTM
Chronic viruses like  Shingles  Herpes   Ebstein Bar Candida  is the cause of low Na.K ratio, which leads to inflammatory  response via  liver impairments and   toxic  copper and mercury  accumulation via  high and low cortisol and vice versa.   In CFS, Wilsons and adrenal exaustion ,  liver gets toxic in iron and copper and  it cant  convert  ammonia into  urea thus leading to  high ammonia levels in blood.  That is the main  cause of a fatique in  WILSONs , CFS  fibromalgia etc .  and everyone  with Wilsons desease  who has a  "normal "doctor  knows about  that and  their fatique disappears  as fast as ammonia levels  go down.  So  Slavrs  dont be a smart ass, and if you have something to post  , post it  here.
IF YOUR SITE WILL BE  NON PROFIT INFORMATION SITE... then  you can use my info. If  you  plan to rip people off , universe will punish you, beilive me.  My research was done  to provide service for free, not to  create  parasites  that claim  they used their funds  for 6 months and now  they will be  selling supplements on their site

That is why I recommend everyone  to take MALIC acid.
Remember   infection based POIS and inflammation based as stated from the begining.


As far  as pranchakarma , the result is  as expected  ---- NO result.   It is   kind of a shame that neither Kumar  nor especially  Gurav  have posted.   Please guys , no  one  expected anything from you ,   could have told us  that nothing  happened.    40% of  estrogen was detoxified  and it will  gather again.   After 10 liver flushes  you will have better results than pranchakarma for sure.  Liver flushes  took at least 60% of my POIS intensity  off.   For some body chemistry  zinc  takes off 90% of symptoms in a day  LOL .   You are still not cured.
 

[Gbolduev]

Nathan


Reduction of symptoms  from pranchakarma is from  clearing of  old bile.   Liver flushes will have  same  reductions. But  theses reductions  will disappear  within  half a year. It is obvious that Gurav was not cured at all,  and  you should stop  positioning  this pranchakarma as a cure where it is NOT.  Gurav  should  be tested for other imbalances    and  his fatty liver  is caused not by alchocol like you  but  by other things.  If he   flushes his  liver all the time ,  then he might have less  and less POIS, but  not 100%   
Reduction is not a cure.  and  it is obvious  that  POIS is about  toxicity and deficiency  at the same time.
You cant provide scientific  evidence since you simply  dont have the background neither has your doctor/
I provided this theory  half a year ago, and was  trying to prove it  scientifically on this forum from  then on.  Toxic metals( copper  mercury   lead   which lead to   imblance in your gland work and  NA/K ratio )  are the cause of  POIS and this is not your theory. What is there to prove or provide?   We are already  discussing  it for months, if you  dont even understand this  then how can you provide any scientific  evidence at all.

In  your case    zinc did most of the job. Although  you dont admit it...  Your blood pressure went up since you were putting out  copper from your  liver into  the bloodstream and copper stimulates noradrenaline .

This all was already researched and  known for years. 




P.S  Get real , you  and your doc are starting from  where I was  years ago. JUst listen to what I say if you  are really planning to help people around you  which is admirable. I thought  POIS is about  toxins years ago, and  did so much detox it is not even funny.   Detox  helped  decrease  symptoms as you say by 40% 50 or even 70%.  Who cares,   POIS was still there.  And I was detoxing for years.

BOdy  will not give  up toxic metals like copper or cadimum , if the  main functions are supported by them. you need to substitute  those metals with normal meтals like zinc manganese  calcium manganesium. For that you need to balance your body chemistry  and for that you need to know "stuff".

 Please  carefully read  what I wrote on this forum  with your doctor and  create a program for GURAV,so  he can get better. In your case  liver fush helped since  you might have  suffered from estrogen dominance  from alcohol which is the easiest to get rid off simply by flushing and  eating  zinc  for 25 days.   


I wont  post here  for  a while, so dont bother  answering.

[slavrs]

This is a collaborative effort of individuals who were affected by the condition and those with resources to help. The word "cure" in this case would probably indicate a remission, which may be lifelong or as short as a few weeks. The condition can also be invoked for example by an acute stress and resolve spontaneously. All the theories that were proposed so far such as semen allergy, progesterone deficiency, hormonal issues, mineral imbalances, neurotransmitters and others are contributing factors that aggravate the syndrome itself, and are not necessarily the primary cause and must be addressed on an individual basis to gain the results. In other words, there is no single cause, but the primary reason for symptoms has been found, and we'll hopefully provide the clues to underlying causes that will help each individual to regain a better health.

The information will be provided for everyone to use for free, and as soon as the primary bulk of information is defined it will be posted. However, due to the time limitations and complexity of the subject, the new information on management and suggested protocols will be added gradually, therefore the initial data will be modest but will give immediate clues answers to everyone. It will be a non-profit establishment at this time and we'll be looking for people who could dedicate some time and help us managing the data and possibly posting new solutions / proposed treatments to the portal.

[Gbolduev]

SLAVRS

 Do you even read a forum?  We already  know that the problem  is systemic ,  and every one has their own imbalance.The  POIS  cause was well defined by collaboration of imbalances.
 We are discussing this for months now, and I am  helping people on individual basis with  what caused their problem.  If you are going to spend time  with people for free, then  good, if this is business for you  then  please  take a hike.  Since  you just  copied what I was saying for months here.
Why dont  you  discuss   your theory here,  instead of  copying what we already  know and  treat.

[slavrs]

Gbolduev,

Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to reply to posts due to time limitation, however, the research was not primarily based on systemic imbalances. The mechanism that causes the symptoms has been identified, and addressing the functional factors will improve the outcomes. Mineral imbalances and toxicity are only contributors to the condition and will not address everyone's issues. Understanding the mechanism that causes the symptomatic representation will help addressing the root issues. In other words, supplementing with minerals and detoxifying may seriously injure many on this forum by giving people a false sense of hope, and I would not advise to suggest a single way of treatment for everyone. Supplementing with zinc alone in many with anxiety may cause a rebound effect, aggravating the condition. Liver flushes are very dangerous to the smooth muscle composition, and a significant number of people end up in hospital rooms way too often from doing it.

S. Lav R.S.

[Gbolduev]

SLAVRS

My friend, no one is giving zinc to  people alone.  I use a system which balances body chemistry, which I provide on individual   basis using   hairtests and  blood test and seeing exactly where the problem is. 
Read the forum,amigo.   There is no  single cause  which was known to us for ever.  Mineral imbalance will lead to every single  imbalance in the body  and  also you can fix everysingle imbalance by taking   minerals and putting metabolism into  the middle.   Infections, viruses,  cortisol,  liver  issue,  unless you have orgranic damage. then no...

As far as I am concerned I know the   primary reason of symptoms and mechanism for POIS.     It is how you fix it  what matters.
YOu will be feeding what   to people? not minerals?   AHAHAH    YOu will be feeding minerals or herbs, which is also minerals. Without  a cause  for every  individual  person , knowing  your mechanism as you claim  would  only help you  get rid of symptoms that people were succesfully doing with  many remedies,  But they were not curing  themselfs,  to cure  yourself  you need to get balanced  body chemistry wise.   

[ajs]

 I don't think there is any reason to be so angry and defensive about other people's posts....it seems that some people on this forum are so concerned with being the big winner and being right that it clouds everything...let people try what they want to try and if it works it works!

[Gbolduev]

AJS

the guy  is advertising  his portal, and not posting  anything. He wrote pretty long messages,  POIS mechanism  could fit in one sentence/   PLus totally   copying  what I have been saying.  I am discussing  this with people here, not trying to create some portal. Especially  without  any proof of  cure.  Did they cure POIS?   they found possible mechanism for POIS but  causes of that mechanism are all different.   Of course they are.   And now people  are going to be on protocols to cure it/..How is this different   from  taking minerals and getting  balanced ? I dont get..
Since the guy is not sharing his idea, it leads to a conclusion  of his monetary motives. Although he claims different.
I just hope the guy  does not claim  acetylcholine problem , that would be so funny. As far as  I am concerned this is  stealing of my idea and also  trying to  position yourself separate from  nakedscientists.
It took him 6 months.LOL   Took 6 months to read my posts?

HOW IS IT  RULES COMPLIANT TO ADVERTISE   DIFFERENT PORTAL ON THIS ONE.  WE ALREADY HAVE A PORTAL<  POST HERE.

[Kima]

slavrs Hi.

You'll supplements sell  As Dr. Richards ?


http://cure-erectile-dysfunction.org/histamine-and-sexual-exhaustion%20


Thanks.

[ajs]

I totally get it :-)
...I just don't want to scare anyone away that might be able to come back with some useful information....it's happened in the past

[slavrs]

Hello:

This will probably be my last post before the information is available.

To clarify on the situation and associated negativity pertaining my announcement, the information will be provided on a public domain terms, with no profit to be made from the information itself. There will be no specific vendors to provide the necessary nutritional elements and medications, although the non-brand specific supplements like herb names will be listed, and their method of action on POIS will be established. It will be up to their current medical care provider of each individual, to oversee and prescribe treatments. If the time allows, we may have a database of practitioners around the globe who would be qualified in helping you to recover. The database access and all the information will be public domain with no anticipated profit to be made.

At this time I would advise people on this forum to continue with their exploration and treatments that have been helpful, but carefully proceeding with invasive procedures that have been suggested on the board over the years. Common sense is the key. The body systems are very delicate in nature, and abusing substances that have been helpful to many may have adverse effects. The most important fact to say would be is that there is NO single cause of the condition. What applies to one individual, does not necessarily apply to another, although the biochemical action of the syndrome that causes the symptoms remains the same in those affected by many chronic illnesses, including POIS.

A little patience will pay of. Negativity is not a proper method of approach. Nevertheless I do understand that it would be hard to believe in some aspects of this announcement after so many years of frustration and inability of medical community to make a proper diagnosis that would allow for a recovery.

S. Lav R.S.

[Gbolduev]

SLAVRS

What is the sense of creating  a portal, if we already have one.   Post  mechanism of  POIS and we will figure out  how to deal with it.  So far you are constantly repeating my system and claiming  that  you know something and that you will be selling herbs on your site.  And claiming that you came out  with something  ,  but what we have been discussing for  more than half a year already..Anyone who  came to this site and read my theory  can create a website and claim that they found  a reason  for  POIS and now  you have to take herbs ( for adrenals   for instance) liike quercetin or ashwaganda.  There is no negativity  at all,   it is just  you dont seem to get where we are  in our research and  systemising and creating your portal makes no sense.You dont get that I am already  curing those  imbalances you cant find and have the system of finding them.  Just post stuff here and we  will work on it.
As you posted  that  solution  is individual,  then how can you help.))))    You dont have one day  cure from POIS  as you stated,  so how  are you different from  Dr RIchards or DR LIN  who  explained the mechanism  long time ago many times and  have their portals and  are selling  their "HERBS".
If someone  wanted to help  , someone would just post their thoughts here.  THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS.
Why would we need practitioners to fix  it?    Who are you  to  decide whether the practitioner is qualified or not?
the only  global practioners  network  that I know is  the cult of  Dr WILSON....Are you with them?
 
Since you stated that you will be using herbs ,  herbs are minerals and vitamins,  and   certain herbs  balance  body chemistry ,   like anti inflammatory herbs,   like malic acid for  fibromalgia, and so forth...But  I balance body chemistry  knowing exactly where you are, and you will never get zinc  if you  dont need it and it wont   do any rebound effects.  You have no knowlege of the balance and   you are studing end  results of  POIS...the important part is the cause and not the mechanism of implemeting  symptoms.  that is the fact and since  you claim that  the reason for the  imbalance is  individual or basically you have no clue how it happens   then what is the purpose of the whole portal , to bs  about  the  mechanism of POIS? and your herbs  will be very dangerous to some  setups, since you dont take into the account that persons body chemisty at all..   Anyone who recommends sinlge herb remedies or   nutritional  minerals for systemic problem is  a danger person to me. 

Also unreal that someone  will come and try to  rename  POIS... Are you  sane?

It  is  quite crazy  that after   6 months of my theory  of toxic metals and  imbalances,   and me posting everyday  to try to chew the info to  the understandable level,   when they finally get this info , they  start  to come out  first with acetylcholine and toxic theory of Kumar, now this guy   who is saying  exactly the same things, but instead of  discussing it  on the forum ,  creating  his  portal...LOL

The difference is that I  already  suggested the system how to find those individual imbalances. What blood tests to  do , hairtests,  so   one GLOBAL practitioner.HAHA/
Post your mechanism  and we will compare notes. 

Another thing,  you never  posted here before, you  have zero credibility  and  I dont understand how someone can claim anything without tests,  I have tests from over 500 people . And you?   where did you get your people  with POIS if  you  were never here.   Please  dont tell us about  cortisol and acetylcholine  problems in CFS as we already know that.

[CertainlyPOIS]

slavrs Hi.

You'll supplements sell  As Dr. Richards ?


http://cure-erectile-dysfunction.org/histamine-and-sexual-exhaustion%20


Thanks.

Please stay away from erectile dysfunction drugs and doctors. I personally tried a dr lin product, out of ignorance, in my earliest days of pois and it did nothing. No one knows what they are putting in those drugs or if they are using proper methods to prepare them.  You should stay away if you dont want damage that will make things worse for you.

[LAPOISSE2]

From my understanding so far slavrs did'nt tried to sell anything or "stole" the Herman theory.

We should be more polite with new people coming here. I guess there is nobody in position here to claim that we can afford to loose the contribution of any people.

Even if it will not be the first time that someone come up with a new theory and cure related, we need to challenge any of the serious lead discussed here and what slavrs talked about seem serious to me.Let wait and see...no pre  judgement.

Herman, please be more nice with people ; you can't just be agressive with anyone who is not 100% with you...I always said your theory is interesting but so far I have'nt seen or discussed with anyone being cured by you and docteur Wilson can't be taken at universal scientific literature...If all this was 100% efficient, Wilson would be nobel price for curing CFS...So please stay open to anyone who can contribute to add knowlegdes to a phenomenom which is very probably too complex for one person.
 

[Gbolduev]

LAPOISE
 First of all I cured  it for myself.. I hope people that are feeling better would come out and state it also/ 
I have developed  evaluation system  and also  treatment protocols, not just  some  herbs . People are sick in life , they are not suffering from POIS per say ,  they have many imbalances at the same time. 
This guy is saying exactly what I have been saying  for months now,  He is advertising  his portal though which  should be  prohibited. If you dont want to discuss something why did you come here?
He wont have any cures he will post  symptom relief herbs like  quercetin  ashwaganda funegreeek, they already have the same portal with  those remedies.  To get  total relief he is saying you need to  cure  something that you dont know and he does not know and you have to be treated by a doctor.I am curing those imbalanaces  , CFS  fibromalgiya  POIS.    It takes times to cure things
And I have many people  feeling much better, not 100% yet  but   80% for sure.  Couple of people are totally  POIS free on russian forum.
Also  Dr Wilson is not an authority to me at all . I used their work  and use it  but in my own way /





I  dont care  if this guy claims that  he  found the cure  for POIS , that he did not, since I  tested  every possible  scenario for POIS and who cares  how the inflammotary process  occurs,  it is  not about that, it is about how to   do so it does not occur. This  should be obvious.

You will  understand what I meant, I  am cheering for you and  wish you dont waste time. My system is the only system that can help I  am 100% sure of it.   

That is why I  told you about  inffeciency of pranchakarma and all other  stupid remedies.

I wont post here for a while, since this  is  getting too stupid  for me.  And honestly  I am glad if this dude going to have a portal,  and help people . But  I am 100 % sure he will benefiting from it, and    6 months  research that he did was pretty much  from reading my stuff  ( I started to post 6 months ago), how convinient
When he posts  on his portal, you will see that  most of it will be copied from what I  have been saying.    Inflammation infection,   pregnelone  steal,  cortisol low or high   acetylcholine low  or high .. Fatigue is caused by  high ammonia levels since  liver detox is impaired.   NA?K ratio    and inflammatory response.  I  chewed you  this  for months. And in your head  it is probably still copper/LOL


CIAO  people and dont  waste your time , start balancing now. Find practitioners since I  wont do it  anymore.