[bombero]

When it started I was 3.5 years on strict raw vegan diet. It means no milk, no eggs, no fish, no anything except raw(uncooked) fruits, vegetables, nuts etc. And I wasn't supplementing anything. Apart from pois (which was triggered not only by Os but also by physical activity such as even light sports) I had other issues such as styes on eyes, digestion problems, constant fatigue etc.

I switched to a "normal" diet shortly (1.5 years ago), my overall condition and pois symptoms got better but hadn't disappeared completely.

[B_Daniel]

i'm gonna take a 4 week break and clear my mind a bit.  I've been checking this forum 3 times a day lately which just isn't healthy for me.  If I discover anything I'll let ya'll know for sure.  Send me a PM if you need anything  Goodluck gentleman (and ladies).  Ttyl

[MrVat7]

Hi, i think i am suffering from POIS..I am a 17 year old guy and after every time i ejaculate i feel a subsequent cognitive decline which follows me for 4-5 days..during that time i find difficulty in talking, reading, walking, remembering new things and even recalling things..i am studying in highschool and i need to remember a lot of information for my board examination and it is this after i ejaculate my brain gets out of order ..can anyone help me out?

[meteo74]

Hi Suffering...

just stop ejaculation until we get atreatment.

[ricky79]

Hi suffering from pois,

Not sure if you have a partner or not.
Take a look at this website:
http://slavrsyndrome.com/conditions/pois-post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome/ [nofollow]

"Masturbation hurts you more than real life sex. And you could make all kind of theories as to why this happens, but it’s not a mystery anymore in SLAVRS. When you masturbate the only activity you do at this time is probably moving your hand, if at all. Some creative individuals even buy an electric stimulator. Well the bad news is, the less you move, the more POIS will hurt you. Hopefully you already have a clue. Your epinephrine and overall hormonal levels are those that you’d need raised before the orgasm. You move, you raise your entire spectrum of hormones, including adrenaline levels. Adrenaline attenuates your histamine action. Reduced histamine levels attenuate the acute vasodilation, reducing the rebound effect of vasoconstriction. There you have it. Obviously the biochemical reaction is significantly more complex and involves the same rebound effect of neurotransmitters, but it’s one of the contributing elements in the example of histamine/adrenaline reaction. This is a reason niacin helps many – it raises your hormone response. Likewise, remember that nothing will be as natural as a real passionate love. Conclusion – make a passionate love instead. And the more passionate and longer your love session is, the less effect the POIS will produce on you. If you “love” each other for at least 20 minutes, your bodies will thank you. Obviously other biochemical elements play a role as well, such as pheromones, yet the effect those in not as significant. If you must masturbate, you can still help yourself. Do a short 5 minute cardio work out to get yourself to the point of perspiration just before an orgasm. This will raise your hormones and prepare your vascular system for a stress response. If you don’t over do it, it will significantly help you, but as long as you achieve a vasodilating action before orgasm."

[gondal4]

Nearly died yesterday in  sleep with heart beat going all over the place.Taking high vitamin c and zinc for a moth or so

[ricky79]

Hi gondal4,

Why are you having Zinc, are you low on Zinc?

[MrVat7]

Can taking nicotine increase cognition at the times i am feeling down after ejacuation ?
Lol it is hard to stop ejaculating , i am in love with it..and my libdo is too high.. i get aroused every day and it stops only after i ejaculate..harder i try to get away from ejaculation more aroused i get.

[ricky79]

Can taking nicotine increase cognition at the times i am feeling down after ejacuation ?
Lol it is hard to stop ejaculating , i am in love with it..and my libdo is too high.. i get aroused every day and it stops only after i ejaculate..harder i try to get away from ejaculation more aroused i get.

If you don't take care of yourself you'll eventually get worse. You should prepare your body before doing it.

Niacin is to be taken before ejaculation not after:
"Niacin. Wait, it’s supposed to be a vasodilator! Not in case of SLAVRS. Niacin actually creates an initially strong vasodilation reaction that bounces back to a vasoconstriction state because you have no sustained nitric oxide response to work with. Therefore, if you overdo on niacin, it may actually trigger POIS. When you take niacin, you prepare yourself for the stress event. A beta-blocker would help in a similar way. The timing for taking niacin would be different for each individual. Once you have a “flush”, which is the vasodilation action from niacin, you need to wait for up to an hour until you vasoconstrict. Now have your sexual climax. At this time your hormone levels will not spike as much and your stage 1 and 2 vasoconstriction symptoms will be reduced. Do NOT take niacin outside stage 1, as it will further damage your already sensitive vascular mechanism. - See more at: http://slavrsyndrome.com/conditions/pois-post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome/#sthash.bl45qO10.dpuf [nofollow]"

You can also make some physical exercise if you prefer:
"If you must masturbate, you can still help yourself. Do a short 5 minute cardio work out to get yourself to the point of perspiration just before an orgasm. This will raise your hormones and prepare your vascular system for a stress response. If you don’t over do it, it will significantly help you, but as long as you achieve a vasodilatation action before orgasm."

[forbidden6]

You can also make some physical exercise if you prefer:
"If you must masturbate, you can still help yourself. Do a short 5 minute cardio work out to get yourself to the point of perspiration just before an orgasm. This will raise your hormones and prepare your vascular system for a stress response. If you don’t over do it, it will significantly help you, but as long as you achieve a vasodilatation action before orgasm."

Hi Ricky79,

have you (or someoneelse) ever tried this trick on yourself?
Is it actually working?
thanks

[MrVat7]

Hello forbidden6, i have did a workout at gym and also had did some jogging but it was 4 hours after i ejaculated.. um i feel a better cognition than earlier times.. i think regular exercise and yoga can actually help in fighting pois.

[MrVat7]

And is everybody here suffering from pois? .. ill be glad to know people like me

Let me introduce u all to my pois history.. since i was 12(17 now ) i started masturbating ..and then i found myself having flu like symptoms.. difficult to communicate read , understand, hear ,and learn.. i googled it and found it was pois what i was having..ever since then my grades gone down.. earlier people in my school called me scientist because of my ability to think and logic..i could imagine myself inside an atom or outside the milkeyway .. but after everytime i ejaculate my mental factors goes down.. but i recover and get normal within few days.. so then i searched a lot about pois on the net.. took suppliments for zinc, vit B12, niacin , ginseng etc.. but that does not help much.. i consulted a physician he diagnosed me with depression and gave me serotonin reuptake inhibitor ( escitalopram ) and also beta blockers ( propranolol ) .. well that is cool actually .. but that is minimizing the symptoms but not curing pois..few days from now ive started jogging and meditation..ive got best results from that also drinking plenty of water.. i think to get out of pois increasing blood circulation, hydrating and a hot bath can do..can u share some of your remedies for pois ?

[gondal4]

Hi gondal4,

Why are you having Zinc, are you low on Zinc?

im taking becuase it is mentioned for pois by golbudev milion times

[bombero]

im taking becuase it is mentioned for pois by golbudev milion times

I think Gbolduev also mentioned not taking anything without doing tests and receiving proper program.

[gondal4]

im taking becuase it is mentioned for pois by golbudev milion times

I think Gbolduev also mentioned not taking anything without doing tests and receiving proper program.

And i asked everyone to tell me raliable labortary to do hair test please keep in mind i live in thirld world country pakistan

[johanstefansson]

Hi, i think i am suffering from POIS..I am a 17 year old guy and after every time i ejaculate i feel a subsequent cognitive decline which follows me for 4-5 days..during that time i find difficulty in talking, reading, walking, remembering new things and even recalling things..i am studying in highschool and i need to remember a lot of information for my board examination and it is this after i ejaculate my brain gets out of order ..can anyone help me out?

stop masturbating, see yourbrainonporn.com
its likely a dopamine low consequence.

also try various nutritions and changed diet.

[johanstefansson]

does anyone know if its possible to have an ejaculation without the following dopamine rush?
is there a dopamine blocker medicine?

[ricky79]

And i asked everyone to tell me raliable labortary to do hair test please keep in mind i live in thirld world country pakistan

Hi gondal,

You need to find a nutritional balancing practitioner that uses ARL. You can find some on Dr. Wilson's website. Some of those work with international orders. You can also try blood analyses. It's better blood analyses than no analyses at all.

[ricky79]

Hi Ricky79,

have you (or someoneelse) ever tried this trick on yourself?
Is it actually working?
thanks

Hi forbidden6,

It seams to improve when comparing to doing no nothing, but it is not very easy to schedule exercise before sex, if managing to take Niacin exactly 1 hour before sex can feel like a limitation to spontaneity (and also red face side effects), making exercise is even more difficult for me to manage. Also, many people don't recommend exercise at night right before sleep because it may disturb sleep cycle.
Anyway I guess it's a good to know some alternatives to Niacin.

[Kima]

Hi Nathan, how's gurave?

[alancalverd]

I am a 17 year old guy and after every time i ejaculate i feel a subsequent cognitive decline

No big deal, perfectly normal. As explained by Woody Allen: "Men have two brains but the heart can only supply enough blood to operate one at a time."

Fortunately, the heart strengthens with regular exercise. 

[victor.kons]

Hi alancalverd,

Are you a pathetic idiot or just pretending?

I am a 17 year old guy and after every time i ejaculate i feel a subsequent cognitive decline

No big deal, perfectly normal.

Perfectly normal to have cognitive decline for 4-5 days with difficulties to learn new information?

Go, drink 1 litre of Vodka, have cognitive decline next day and do exercises for your heart and  tell us that you think it is normal to have similar experience after ejaculation and that one need to practice exercises.

Sorry guys, I can't help myself. It's so surprising how arrogant people could be.

Victor

[alancalverd]

Hi alancalverd,

Are you a pathetic idiot or just pretending?

No, just an old bloke with fond memories of youth. Post coitum omne animal tristus est (Galen) is very old news, and if a 17 year old only ejaculates once a week, it's hardly surprising he can't concentrate the rest of the time.

[Kima]

I'm cured thanks to Germany, now no symptoms after ejaculation
Good luck to everyone!

Kima.

[LAPOISSE2]

I'm cured thanks to Germany, now no symptoms after ejaculation
Good luck to everyone!

Kima.

Germany ?

[victor.kons]

alancalverd, you don't know what are you talking about.

I am POIS sufferer for 18 years. Last 3 years I have zero POIS symptoms on Niacin, and I can compare the experience with and without Niacin, I can compare how it can be to have POIS symptoms and not to have POIS symptoms. After sex if you don't have POIS you have very mild relaxation effect and you want to sleep to rebuild your energy, its quite normal process and nobody here claims this is wrong. But you don't have difficulties for learning new information for 4-5 days! No! This doesn't happen at all if you don't have POIS, actually you have pretty clear mind after sex, maybe you are not totally concentrated, maybe you have 95% of your best concentration, but you don't have difficulties learning new information or talking to anyone. You have just healthy desire to sleep. With POIS you have 5% of your concentration and 5% of your abilities to learn and 2% of your abilities to socialize and if you sleep everything becomes worser.

Please don't talk about things you don't have any clue about.

It is evident to any POIS sufferer here that your reasoning about POIS is very naive and plainly wrong, we saw many people thinking like you. You are just at a wrong place to post conclusions like below.

Victor

No, just an old bloke with fond memories of youth. Post coitum omne animal tristus est (Galen) is very old news, and if a 17 year old only ejaculates once a week, it's hardly surprising he can't concentrate the rest of the time.

[johanstefansson]

Had sex yesterday with partner, great and strong orgasm. Today no cognitive dysfunction what so ever. No problems, just little dry in eyes, and a little short of breath right after ejaculation and some light coughing. No other symptoms.

That's great!

No porn, no masturbation, no fantasies for 6 months does the trick. Been taking zink and nutritional pill for some months now. Also combined with daily 15 min relaxation. Maximum sex once every 2 weeks.

I don't know about you others here but i guess i suffered from addiction and dopamine issues.
Allthough i do fear winter is coming, normally gets worse then, I will keep you guys updated.

I still strongly suggest anyone to read http://www.yourbrainonporn.com [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register], saved my life!

[nomore2013]

I'm cured thanks to Germany, now no symptoms after ejaculation
Good luck to everyone!

Kima.

Germany ?

german = herman

[MrVat7]

Hello victor,

I seriously dont know what to do .. i am keeping control on my ejaculation frequencies.. i even take a break for 3-4 months but then after i ejaculate i feel like dementia for next 4-5 days..even cannot walk straight .. dont even feel my legs while walking..unable to talk recall learn.. but miraculously i recover then from dementia type of behavour ( caused by pois ) .. and then it is hard to recover what i lost in that 5 days..having such problem at 17 ? is it normal ? will it cure ? or even worsen ?

[victor.kons]

Hello Suffering,

Yes, this sounds exactly like POIS to me. For some people it resolves by itself, for most of us it worsens over time, but not much. However there are cases when some people begin to live in POIS state and don't return to normal at all.

Of course having this problem is NOT NORMAL. Will it cure? Don't know - it might resolve by itself or after taking vitamins and might not resolve easily. We don't know what POIS is exactly, all we know is that it has such 3-5 days cycles triggered by ejaculation. That's why we arranged doing a research.

But for now, when research is not started yet and doesn't yet have results you can help yourself at least relieve your symptoms and improve quality of your life.

When I was young I had innocent method to relieve my symptoms - I studied poems by heart after ejaculation, this somehow cleared my POIS symptoms next day. Now this method doesn't work for me anymore unfortunately. Try it if it helps you - then great. If not, you can still support you with diet or vitamins.

If it doesn't help - go to your doctor and tell about your problem and discuss with him possible methods to relieve your symptoms found by our community: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=75.0 [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]

Hope you will find something useful for you that was tried by POIS community for the time being.

Victor

Hello victor,

I seriously dont know what to do .. i am keeping control on my ejaculation frequencies.. i even take a break for 3-4 months but then after i ejaculate i feel like dementia for next 4-5 days..even cannot walk straight .. dont even feel my legs while walking..unable to talk recall learn.. but miraculously i recover then from dementia type of behavour ( caused by pois ) .. and then it is hard to recover what i lost in that 5 days..having such problem at 17 ? is it normal ? will it cure ? or even worsen ?

[MrVat7]

yeah victor, i understand what u are saying.. i will contact my physician and a psychiatrist ASAP ..and i will post what they say..i feel glad to know that there are people like me..

And i brought some niacin tablets 500 mg .. it seems that it brings back cognition.. vasodialation may be one of the key factor for curing pois.

[victor.kons]

yeah victor, i understand what u are saying.. i will contact my physician and a psychiatrist ASAP ..and i will post what they say..i feel glad to know that there are people like me..

There are MANY people like you and all these people are struggling to find the cure and sharing found remedies between us.

And i brought some niacin tablets 500 mg .. it seems that it brings back cognition.. vasodialation may be one of the key factor for curing pois.

500 mg sounds like way too much (or it is slow releasing Niacin, which doesn't work at all). Typical dose to prevent POIS is 100-200mg of fast releasing Niacin, which should be taken an hour before O. You would want to start from 50mg first time and increase to 150-200mg to adapt your body to Niacin during several days and only after that try to have an O and check how it affect your POIS.

If you want to seriously consider Niacin, please read all of this thread:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=174.0 [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]

Niacin doesn't work for all POIS sufferers, but for some of us, including me, it does relieve symptoms to 90%-100%

I think vasodilation and vasoconstriction are not causes, they are just symptoms, IMO. In Russia half of people who visit the doctor with issues that have mental symptoms are "automagically"  diagnosed with VVD (vascular vasodilation dystonia). These people are then treated with various vascular meds and tranquilizers. Such treatment seems to have close to zero success according to VVD sufferers testimonals available on russian internet forums.

Victor

[MrVat7]

I think vasodilation and vasoconstriction are not causes, they are just symptoms, IMO. In Russia half of people who visit the doctor with issues that have mental symptoms are "automagically"  diagnosed with VVD (vascular vasodilation dystonia). These people are then treated with various vascular meds and tranquilizers. Such treatment seems to have close to zero success according to VVD sufferers testimonals available on russian internet forums.

Yeah you are absolutely correct.. but it should be that there is certain release of maybe hormones or biochemicals in the body followed by orgasm that causes the symptoms which POIS sufferer feels.. so, the need is to find that unnecessary things released which upsets the body.. curing pois from the root is neccesary..

[MrVat7]

Dexter's patient, who had been symptomatic for 27 years, was completely treated by 5 to 10 mg doses of norethisterone

norethisterone ? is it safe to take ?

[acronym]

Dexter's patient, who had been symptomatic for 27 years, was completely treated by 5 to 10 mg doses of norethisterone

norethisterone ? is it safe to take ?

From what I have read I would say so in low doses. Some doctors do prescribe it for older men. Your body actually produces progesterone, though from what I read norethisterone is a slightly different synthetic version. You ideally need to check with your doctor, but don't be shocked if he just dismisses it as..'that's for women. You don't need to worry about that'.
I am curious if any others on here gave progesterone (like natural skin creme version) a shot. I did a site search but not much came back in regards to people's experiences.

[MrVat7]

I've found out a new remedy for POIS.. it actually works on me.. what i did was after ejaculation , as soon as i felt cognitive decline .. started activities that put load on my brain.. eg. studying , solving puzzle , try to remember things occurred within past few days and recalling previously learnt information ( after ejaculation one feels lack of concentration and find hard to recall and learn new things ) but what to do is doing exactly opposite you feel after ejaculation.. no matter how hard to find to concentrate or feel sleepy.. make a timetable of sleeping and manage at least 7-8 hours of sleep.. and during active hours ..by few hours of mind twisting activities you will actually feel cognition increased. Few minutes of meditation .. deep inhaling and exhaling with typical faster rate than usual also helps.

Pros : doing mind twisting activities is actually good for one's brain.
         brings cognition without any drug.

Cons : One may find a bit hard in starting.. you may even feel to stop this. try if it works on you ..

-> the cool thing is there are no side effects.. i felt my cognition literally increase within two hours of this excercise..

[victor.kons]

Hi Suffering,

I've found out a new remedy for POIS..

...

..by few hours of mind twisting activities you will actually feel cognition increased.

This is exactly what I recommended you:

Hello Suffering,

...

When I was young I had innocent method to relieve my symptoms - I studied poems by heart after ejaculation, this somehow cleared my POIS symptoms next day. Now this method doesn't work for me anymore unfortunately. Try it if it helps you - then great. If not, you can still support you with diet or vitamins.

This is not new. We are well aware that mental activity helps POIS, especially focused on remembering and recalling things. Unfortunately it seems that the technique works only for people having early stages of POIS.

Victor

[MrVat7]

Well thats okay.. but the cool thing is it works ..for now .. so i can actually keep myself up till a permanent solution is found..

[Dean93]

Hello. Just checking in after a long time.

I'm now being treated for my condition as depression and I'm doing a lot better. I now mostly refer to my condition as clinical depression triggered by orgasm. Relevant comments are welcome.

If this comic strikes a chord with you, it might be something for you to look into as well.

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]

Talk to your doctor. The best to everyone.

[Over it]

Hello. Just checking in after a long time.

I'm now being treated for my condition as depression and I'm doing a lot better. I now mostly refer to my condition as clinical depression triggered by orgasm. Relevant comments are welcome.

If this comic strikes a chord with you, it might be something for you to look into as well.

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html [nofollow]

Talk to your doctor. The best to everyone.

Haha, great link. Thanks.

[LAPOISSE2]

Hello. Just checking in after a long time.

I'm now being treated for my condition as depression and I'm doing a lot better. I now mostly refer to my condition as clinical depression triggered by orgasm. Relevant comments are welcome.

If this comic strikes a chord with you, it might be something for you to look into as well.

http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]

Talk to your doctor. The best to everyone.

Hi Dean,

Be very carefull with any kind of chemical "treatment" for depression ; from my experience, there is no magik pill for that and most of doc, especially psychastrist have no clue about long term effect of antidepressant drugs. It will never treat anything or raise serotonine, it will just recycle your low serotonine and potentially interfere with your natural brain neurotransmitors system ; just like cocaine or exctasy ; it actually the exact same mecanism. Nobody has a primary deficiency of serotonine, and SSRI's are not the same as insulin for diabetic..It's pretty scandalous that most of docs say that.
I took SSRI's for two years and even though it help for a while(probably by removing anxiety), I got afterwards into hell because of them ; And it didn't solve my depression or my POIS ;

However, I'm pretty sure right now POIS is mind related disease(like most of the disease actually) ; It's insane to oppose mental and physical, they are both involved in pretty much every medical problem. POIS cause and depression are working together, feeding each other ; so adressing depresion is a good idea, but not with pills..it will not work, I've quite an experience about it and I'm 100% sure of what I say.

[John21 (OP)]

Be very carefull with any kind of chemical "treatment" for depression ; from my experience, there is no magik pill for that and most of doc, especially psychastrist have no clue about long term effect of antidepressant drugs. It will never treat anything or raise serotonine, it will just recycle your low serotonine and potentially interfere with your natural brain neurotransmitors system ; just like cocaine or exctasy ; it actually the exact same mecanism. Nobody has a primary deficiency of serotonine, and SSRI's are not the same as insulin for diabetic..It's pretty scandalous that most of docs say that.
I took SSRI's for two years and even though it help for a while(probably by removing anxiety), I got afterwards into hell because of them ; And it didn't solve my depression or my POIS ;

I agree 100%. SSRIs seemed to help when I took them many years ago, but even now I continue to have long term side effects from withdrawl. I believe the best way to enhance neurotransmitters is with daily protein shakes (amino acids are neurotransmitter precursers) and other nutritional goldmines like wheat germ and sesame seeds.

[John21 (OP)]

John, try pumpkin seeds (10 $ / pound ), with a carbohydrate at 4 PM.
Your serotonin will take off  
I sleep like a baby since 2 weeks.

BJim,
Thanks for the tip, I'll try it! I'm still battling insomnia so I'll try most anything. How do the carbs assist the pumpkin seeds? What is the mechanism? I use carbs to put myself back to sleep when I wake up too early, toast is my sleep medication. But why would it help at 4:00PM  with the pumpkin seeds?

[gondal4]

I dont have "Brain fog" after O like  i had 2,3 years before but i have permanent Depression,anxiety,and lack of understanding of thing....But they remain same before and after O as it dont have any mental effects on me.
I want to know why is that either i have too much dopamine so o dont affect or too low ?
can someone explain me that

[acronym]

BJim,
Thanks for the tip, I'll try it! I'm still battling insomnia so I'll try most anything. How do the carbs assist the pumpkin seeds? What is the mechanism? I use carbs to put myself back to sleep when I wake up too early, toast is my sleep medication. But why would it help at 4:00PM  with the pumpkin seeds?

Jim, I have been battling insomnia for the past 3 mths and have on and off over the years. Just thought I'd mention a few things that have helped me.
Melatonin is always great as long as I don't take it too many days.
Valerian is ok but it takes me over a month to get nay impact.
Hops are pretty good.
I have tried Phenibut recently on the recommendations of some of the guys at the gym. Its been a mixed bag for me. I find it good (but not ideal at keeping me asleep till 6am) but it can only be used a few days in a row for me.
Baclofen - which I was prescribed to boost my GH levels I find is good for a more refreshing night's sleep though it does not put you to sleep to begin with. Probably helps by increasing gaba.
A great med is Zolpidem. It puts me to sleep pretty quick and keeps me asleep and I dont wake up groggy at all. The catch is the sleep seems slightly artificial. I am not tired but it maybe feels like I dont hit deep stage 4 sleep. Its still better than insomnia though.
Recently I pestered my doc for a substitute for Zolpidem and he put me on low dose  Amitripyline (tricyclic antidepressant - 12mg) and that has been not too bad at both getting me to sleep and keeping me there.
Another med I have recently taken that supplements Amitripyline and gives me a great night sleep with lots of interesting dreams is Sinemet (dopamine booster). It also helps make me sleepy not too long after taking it. I know it sounds weird for levodopa to not be stimulating but it has this effect on some users).
Anyway I just thought I would mention the herbs/meds that I have tried over the past months to get me over insomnia. Another thing that helped me is not training so late in the evening which I started to do overt that period. I take a pre workout supplement just before I go to the gym (ie C4 or Black Powder), and it really boosts my physical & mental stamina, but it also has the potential to carry on into the evening. I don't feel wired in the evening but just not tired so I have been backing off on taking it too much if I go to the gym after 7pm and yeah that has helped also, so it definitely played a party in my insomnia.

[John21 (OP)]

There is a competition between amino-acids absorbtion. When you eat proteins it increases tyrosine absorbtion. And then when you eat carbs it helps tryptophan. (scientific) [ carbohydrate reduces serum levels of competing LNAAs ] .
 And why 4.00 PM  ? Because I read you need a delay of 6 hours for a full absorbtion and cross the brain blood barrier.

These seed are rich in tryptophan : 53 % of recommanded daily value for 32g of seeds (1/4 of cup). In a perfect world, seeds should be desoiled. But I found it very effective.\

So as my problem is early morning awakening ( 3 or 4 AM) perhaps pumpkin seeds and bread is a good bedtime snack....will try it.

[LAPOISSE2]

BJim,
Thanks for the tip, I'll try it! I'm still battling insomnia so I'll try most anything. How do the carbs assist the pumpkin seeds? What is the mechanism? I use carbs to put myself back to sleep when I wake up too early, toast is my sleep medication. But why would it help at 4:00PM  with the pumpkin seeds?

Jim, I have been battling insomnia for the past 3 mths and have on and off over the years. Just thought I'd mention a few things that have helped me.
Melatonin is always great as long as I don't take it too many days.
Valerian is ok but it takes me over a month to get nay impact.
Hops are pretty good.
I have tried Phenibut recently on the recommendations of some of the guys at the gym. Its been a mixed bag for me. I find it good (but not ideal at keeping me asleep till 6am) but it can only be used a few days in a row for me.
Baclofen - which I was prescribed to boost my GH levels I find is good for a more refreshing night's sleep though it does not put you to sleep to begin with. Probably helps by increasing gaba.
A great med is Zolpidem. It puts me to sleep pretty quick and keeps me asleep and I dont wake up groggy at all. The catch is the sleep seems slightly artificial. I am not tired but it maybe feels like I dont hit deep stage 4 sleep. Its still better than insomnia though.
Recently I pestered my doc for a substitute for Zolpidem and he put me on low dose  Amitripyline (tricyclic antidepressant - 12mg) and that has been not too bad at both getting me to sleep and keeping me there.
Another med I have recently taken that supplements Amitripyline and gives me a great night sleep with lots of interesting dreams is Sinemet (dopamine booster). It also helps make me sleepy not too long after taking it. I know it sounds weird for levodopa to not be stimulating but it has this effect on some users).
Anyway I just thought I would mention the herbs/meds that I have tried over the past months to get me over insomnia. Another thing that helped me is not training so late in the evening which I started to do overt that period. I take a pre workout supplement just before I go to the gym (ie C4 or Black Powder), and it really boosts my physical & mental stamina, but it also has the potential to carry on into the evening. I don't feel wired in the evening but just not tired so I have been backing off on taking it too much if I go to the gym after 7pm and yeah that has helped also, so it definitely played a party in my insomnia.

"A great med is Zolpidem"

If I were you I would run the F. away from your MD...It's not because it works well for a while that it's a good med...The big risk with brain inhibitor class medecine is to create an other problem beside POIS
Zolpidem is considered as a stupefiant(illegal) in several countries

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