[johanstefansson]

http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-vicious-cycle-of-adult-add-shame-and-compulsive-sexuality/000520

that is me in a nutshell. haven't been porn surfing for some years now but i think it has alternated my mind significantly, never seen prostitutes thank god. i think my tinnitus boosted my problems significantly.

my parents have never really acknowledged my talents, thats really a shame, they also made me isolated as a young adult.

[Kima]

Who tried to take large doses of nicotinamide? Helps symptoms disappear?

[Omen 30]

i am on a casein free(dairy free) diet since a year and it had helped me a lot,and with that i take vitamin d supplement not daily but once in 10-15 days around 5000-10000iu.try it friends it has helped me a lot.

[desperate man]

http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-vicious-cycle-of-adult-add-shame-and-compulsive-sexuality/000520

that is me in a nutshell. haven't been porn surfing for some years now but i think it has alternated my mind significantly, never seen prostitutes thank god. i think my tinnitus boosted my problems significantly.

my parents have never really acknowledged my talents, thats really a shame, they also made me isolated as a young adult.

It doesn't surprise me, buddy. The problem with POIS is that it's based on theories. Hundreds, thousands of theories. That article hit home. Our theories always start from people experiencing POIS.
What if we set a baseline and go from the ones who have a lack of experience with this devastating condition and say "it's all in your head"?

What if masturbation, ejaculation is normal and the problem lies in having an addictive personality? What if porn and compulsive masturbation are like HEROIN to us? What if our brain is wired differently because we had ADHD since a young age and been introduced to masturbation, magazines and porn as a child therefore it is the only thing that gives us that rush, that high which when ends, we suddenly awake to a cold and cruel world that our brain with lack of dopamine cannot appreciate and value? A sudden increase of prolactin for POIS and depleted DA levels for addictive behavior.

Started looking into genetics again. I want you to list me your lab tests of the following things:
- L-Tyrosine
- Iron
- Copper/Zinc

[randomuser784]

I have only recently begun getting serious symptoms that prompted me to do some research and it looks exactly like POIS to me so far but the odd part is that I do not get any of the symptoms when masturbating, only after actual sex.

About 30 minutes after sex I get fatigue so serious that I have trouble keeping my eyes open and my mind feels so clouded I have trouble responding to things quickly or keeping a car on the road and even walking some of the time. I feel sick to my stomach to the point that it feels as if I may throw up but have not yet. Sometimes slightly pounding headaches happen as well as difficulty concentrating, difficulty thinking of the right words while speaking to someone and so on. Basically a bit of all of the symptoms with the fatigue and nausea being the worst.

EDIT:: The symptoms are all there even if I have been awake all day or just woke up, ate food recently or ate nothing.

It does not last as long as it seems it normally does though, either. The shortest recovery so far was 8 hours and the longest so far a day and a half, but that is still plenty of time to ruin appointments, work and other day to day events.

So does anyone else here only get it after actual sex and can still masturbate fine? Do any of you happen to know of anything else that matches this better than POIS since I can't seem to find any cases of POIS only after sex? The only other thing I can seem to find that is close would be anaphylaxis in response to an unknown condom allergy but that seems to be a very serious reaction and it seems unlikely that I would be getting such a lesser version of it.

[desperate man]

I've been suspicious about personality issues responsible for POIS, but today further strengthened this theory. Get this; I ended up watching a youtube video about POIS and there was a guy in the comment section praising everyone because he thought he was alone in this condition all these years, and now he found people with the same issues. Wanted to send him a PM, but after clicking on his profile I saw that he likes the exact same fetishes a sane person would not like. He also has the same taste of music as me and this is a spanish guy thousands of miles from here. Wtf? I'll try to get a halt of him to discuss childhood traumas and other health problems for further evaluation. I am still shocked. There's another guy on POISCENTER (not naming him) who I consider the most desperate person looking to have a life without POIS, who added me as his friend on facebook but couldn't deal with the amount of PORN he shared publicly. It was truly sickening and embarassing.

So in cases like these one thing we can all agree on: supplements will NOT fix anything. The issue can arise from rare genetic conditions, childhood traumas, head traumas and personality disorders. I truly feel this is going to be a milestone for those who's POIS is related to the conditions mentioned above.

People like these need to have amino acid profiling and neurotransmitters and 23andMe done. Then we can go from there.

[demografx]

<former Moderator visiting periodically>

Hello peoples.

I have returned with a small bit of useful info.

I have found a new regiment thats really helped me stave off unwanted nocturnal emissions.

I consume one Monster Energy Java drink a day. Thats it. Now how does this work? Not sure why this particular energy drink is so potent, but it seems to noticeably "desensitize" one as well as lower the sexual urge. I used to use dream control and take a muscle relaxer etc etc. For whatever reason though drinkin one of those Monster Java energy drinks a day has made avoiding NE's so much easier. Im not gonna even begin to dissect the reason, I just know that it works fairly well. Also relieves minor aches and pains, this particular brand of energy drink, so might be helpful for those who have O'ed as well? Anyways, fight the good fight. Im out. Peace.

Monster drinks have 400% more caffeine than same size Starbucks.

[acronym]

Randomuser - You are doing a lot better than many here if you can get over your pois in 8-35 hrs. It used to take me about 5 days when I was younger and now I'd say its 3 days (depending on how run down I am at the time).

As for pois and sex. For me pois is less after sex compared to masturbation. That's clear cut, and reading a number of stories here of others its also the case. I think the over stimulation from porn accounts for some/much of that imo. Condom allergy is irrelevant considering masturbation or wet dreams or in some cases even just looking at porn (no touching) can result in pois to various degrees for many here.

[acronym]

Has anyone here tried 'neuroprotek' or its main active ingredients 'Luteolin' or 'Quercetin' or 'Rutin'? 
It helps reduce brain inflammation. it seems to be a hit with parents of autistic children. Also some people with CFS or lyme, etc are getting great relief. Not all are though. If it was cheap I'd give it a go. (about $40 a bottle and I thought that would last 2 weeks). I'm looking at trying the individual flavonoids.

[acronym]

johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

[johanstefansson]

johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

prostitution is illegal where i live.
and of course there is a major safety difference.

what i meant was that my sex addiction at least did not make me cross over that line.

[acronym]

johanstefansson - I cant see what difference having sex with a prostitute verses sex with a girl friend/wife would make in terms of pois.

prostitution is illegal where i live.
and of course there is a major safety difference.

what i meant was that my sex addiction at least did not make me cross over that line.

There are many young couples who have sex every day or even twice+ a day in the honeymoon phase of their relationships. There are many young guys (players) and women (promiscuous) who hookup with a new partner (or more) each week, but these people are never called sex addicts. Many older couples still have sex every second day yet it seems to be a label for older men who still like variety in their sex lives, as it was in that linked article,where the married guy still visited a prostitute once a year. I think the term is misused that's all.
Yes where it is illegal it is less safer than in countries were it is legal and govt monitored and there are regular std checks by the women.

[LAPOISSE2]

Hello Guys,

Most of you will probably not like this post or reject it ; I would have done the same for years ; I feel like I need to share my view because it could help some of you.

I spent the last five years trying to understand what is POIS ; I saw dozen of med, had thousands of blood work, tried pretty much sups discussed here ; I've been investigated my endocrine system, my liver, my stomach, my brain, my ears, my eyes, my immune system and so on : My body is in good shape.

Like many of you, I noticed I had a lot of anxiety and have always been looking at it as a consequences of POIS caused by the fear of living the next day, week and years with my POIS. I've been absolutely convinced about that for years.

Today I'm POIS free and it's been about 2 month now ; Guess what i've done : I just stopped to control everything and especially my orgasm ; I have orgasm whenever I want, whenever I feel the need to have it, I stopped looking at everything I do, eat, act, feel every minute of my life as I did for years ; I stopped worrying about what will happen ; My logic was : this strategy doesn't work , I need to face it, Im' more sick that before I discovered that POIS existed ; I have to give a try and stop controlling ; If my POIS logic is right I should almost die with a lot of orgasm, no more pills, no more control ; If I don't die, maybe I'm wrong somewhere...

And I actually felt much better immediately ; So this is my explanation :

POIS is like a chronic burn out ; For individual reason(a part is probably genetic, for me it was caused by a trauma when I was 18) we have accumulated stress and anxiety for years ; Fight or flight response very useful in some situation is not designed to perform for an extend period of time ; Overstimulation of sympathetic system create conditions for exhaustion of nervous system ; My guess is that most of us developed strategy to avoid sinking totally and avoid doing a burn out which is nice but the problem became chronic with good period and relapse ; Most of us here are creative and intelligent people ; this has to play a role.

As a result, symptoms of POIS are totally real, something happens in the body, and in my opinion the nervous system just crash with a very probable influence of vagus nerve which control the sympathetic system. All the symptoms that we describe(most of them are sensation) can be linked to chronic anxiety. Feeling anxious doenst' even need to be present and not necessarily in the same period ; it can be unconscient and exhaustion stage ca, happen years after an anxious episode. 90% of case of anxiety disorder are revealed before 18yo which explain why many of us first experienced POIS in the puberty

If your are not convinced about what our brain can do you our body when we believe that we do something bad for us, look at this video ;there is  some people that can die and other heal  cancer just by turning they brain in one side or the other ; It's not new age theory, it's mainstream medical evidences

For some reason our fear and anxiety have been focused to sexual activity and it works just like a phobia ; We fear orgasm a lot and when it happens everything that we expect(reinforce collectively through this forum) just happens ; It's Nocebo effect(the opposite of placebo effect) and it's quite powerful mechanism ; If we accept that placebo effects works on us(which is as a matter of fact very clear) we need to accept that nocebo has also a real impact.

It's very difficult to admit, took me a year and it's like waking up from a bad dream ; make me think to shutter island guy ; For and anxious brain, having a external problem is always easier that facing the problem but it's never gonna solve it.

I'm sure the Dr K. will find something with vagus nerve but I also believe that it will be a dead end as there is no cure for a neurovagal dystonia because it's a symptoms of a screw up nervous system, not a disease ; It's quite a common diagnosis here in France and people get basically benzo as a cure.

The good news is if i'm true we can heal ; we have an ability to use or brain to both make us ill or make us better and the brain is very powerful.

What I've done :

meditation : it's the key ; it's not an oriental think for monks with encents, it's science and very efficient ; you can re programate your brain(physically, if you do an MRI before and after some weeks of meditation you'll see a change in grey matter) with a bit of training ; I found out that I had a very athletic brain for worrying but I was able to train it to get more peace and calm ; it's efficient after only 6 weeks
cogntitive therapy : I saw 4 guys that was no competent ; the fifth was the good one ; This part is also really important
sport : accelerate the process ;
Food : eat healthy also accelerate the process
Normal life! stop wording after POIS

It's not an instant process, I failed a year ago because I had relapse after some O which make me fear again about O which was turned into anxiety and stressed/exhaust my nervous system ; then you feel tired mentally and physically so you worry even more,start ruminating  avoid O, restart to spend your day to assess how you feel and the cycle continue...your brain will try to find a logical/external explanation and POIS will get bigger again like a chimeras. So it's really important to regenerate your nervous system by giving it a break for enough time(including during POIS period) ; it's important to know that there is cycle and it will come back but if you modify your neuronal circuits and thinking pattern, it will go away for life.

What I felt for years was a subjective experience of again anxious mind ; we are non objective observatory of ourselves ; Cornelius who basically said exactly the same 2 years ago was true.

I know that most of us will reject all that ; I would have done the same ; It's like giving up on everything we've been believed before and it's much more confortable to have a disease on which we can't do nothing than having a psychological problem ; But again, read my old post, just like you I was absolutely convinced of POIS being a physical illness and today for the first time is 6 years I feel good.


Hope it helps some of you

Good luck

[FinalPanic]

LAPOISSE2
I generally agree with your theory. I developed anxiety symptoms 30 years ago and I think POIS soon followed (rather than vice-versa). I too have been improving with both my anxiety and POIS - if all feels miraculous. Also looking into Tantric practices helps me too. I am a creative and am also known for over-thinking everything also I can be ruthlessly analytical - this makes my anxiety worse - I just need to chill. But for this reason I cannot kid myself that any supplements work (I do take some to assist with the anxiety) I posted the below a few months ago - I feel this echoes where I am at still:

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.

[LAPOISSE2]

Final Panic,

I read your post some month ago and I was inspired by it ;  It was for me one of  many evidence that helps me consider the things under an other angle. Great that something in your life helped you with your POIS ; Happiness is a great remedy against anxiety. With a bit of training it's possible to turn our imagination into positive thinking instead of worrying ; Neuroplasicity is an amazing thing.

[desperate man]

LAPOISSE2
I generally agree with your theory. I developed anxiety symptoms 30 years ago and I think POIS soon followed (rather than vice-versa). I too have been improving with both my anxiety and POIS - if all feels miraculous. Also looking into Tantric practices helps me too. I am a creative and am also known for over-thinking everything also I can be ruthlessly analytical - this makes my anxiety worse - I just need to chill. But for this reason I cannot kid myself that any supplements work (I do take some to assist with the anxiety) I posted the below a few months ago - I feel this echoes where I am at still:

I have had POIS for many years - over 30 of them in fact. It has been very severe and debilitating. I am now 50, so have suffered terribly for most of my adult life. I have generally applied the theory that this is partly linked to general anxiety (I do suffer) with the 'O' pushing the body beyond acceptable limits leading to a melt-down. This is a theory supported in the UK by Dr Goldmeier at Jefferiss Wing, St Mary's Hospital in London. He has seen a few POIS sufferers and he has commented that they tended to exhibit some form of general anxiety.
My wife decided to divorce me (not because of POIS) at the start of the year. This by chance led to meeting an old girlfriend from my youth. It has been the most wonderful experience for me. I have been panicking about POIS and thinking it will end up wrecking everything. But it has all gone unexpectedly very well. I know this may sound dramatic - but after a few weeks I can safely say I am walking around feeling like a miracle has occurred, POIS is all but gone. I do get some symptoms on day 2, Day 1 is fine. But by day 3 I just have some very low level nausea and mild headache - but I only notice these if I really take the time to think about it. I take manganese, zinc and st johns wort - have done so for about 12 month plus now. They may be helping to a degree. I had been worried about being a bit too quick to 'O' in my new relationship so have gone into what I can only describe as a continual solo self-control regime (morning and night). I would stimulate myself to the point of 'O' but hold back and do a lot of relaxation work at the same time - deep breathing - focusing my mind - but never allowing an 'O' then carry on and repeat for as long as I could hold out but still no 'O'. Then cease. It does means spending day after day feeling almost on edge of 'O' - which is kind of naughty fun. But something has obviously been happening in my state of constant desire and arousal that has caused my POIS after 'O' to recede. I have no idea if my body chemistry is changed in my current state - but all I know is my world has changed in a way I could never have imagined. I know little more than this but if I can answer any specific questions I will try to give more detail.

LAPOISSE2 thumbs up for the awakening and realizing the seriousness of PTSD.
FinalPanic thanks for sharing.

Here are the basics everyone need to take into consideration: we have a condition we cannot talk to everyday people because of the fear of getting ridiculed or the thought of labelling us crazy and saying "it's all in your head". While most people sound like a tape recorder and do not realize the underlying mechanism of POIS there is still something to it.

Just because you have a clear head it doesn't mean that there aren't millions of thoughts running around in your subconscious mind. We have no one to talk to about our childhood/adult traumas because we tend to blame it on a condition that people like to ridicule and make fun of.
Therefore we just live in our past. I'm thankful for you guys for letting it "all out".
This might sound like the DMV episode from South Park but let's just team up and let all the traumas out since it will power us to confront the those who are truly responsible for the PTSD!
Edit: I decided to edit out everything regarding my teenage years. I thought it would help, but it has given me more anxiety. PTSD needs to be discussed with the person responsible for it, not with the rest of the world. Basically my mother caught me masturbating and made me feel guilty for it. We have never discussed it eversince. This is a perfect example of bad parenting. If you will have children one day and you will find them masturbating, please have them sit down and explain to them that it is normal and there's nothing to be ashamed of. They will outgrew the hormonal madness teenage years bring on. If you do not discuss this, they will become adult weirdos like myself with constant depression, anxiety and a perverted mind. I don't even have to guts to approach my mother and confront her of the past because it is a very embarassing topic and she is the last person I want to talk about masturbation. Have no idea how to approach this situation.

Thanks!

[Kima]

I apologize to the board administrator poiscentra. Please unblock me.

[Tired of this]

Hi everyone,

A couple of days ago I first learned about POIS. Never heard of it before. I knew I had a problem with orgasms for years but thought I was the only one on the planet suffering from this.
I'm 31 and have been a POIS sufferer for more than ten years. The older I get, the worse it seems to get. It takes me longer and longer to recharge after an orgasm. Besides POIS I have a porn addiction, so you can imagine how fun that has been.  []

I'm tired of wasting my life away because of this. At the moment the only solution I have for this is to just minimize my orgasms to once every ten days to keep the damage to a minimum. It's very difficult not to orgasm frequently, but I rather suffer blue balls than POIS.

When I orgasm without porn I feel terrible for three days, and when I orgasm while watching porn it takes me a week at least to recover. The rare days when I don't suffer from POIS I feel great, I'm motivated, cheerful, funny, confident and sociable. When I'm suffering from POIS I'm the exact opposite, some symptoms I have are: brainfog, depression, negative, anxious, avoiding people, body tension, avoiding light, isolating, angry, no ambition, no energy, no confidence, stuttering etc.

The last three days I've been reading a lot of this very long thread. Learned a lot about POIS, which is great. Unfortunately I've also learned that there is no cure for this yet. There are many theories about the cause of POIS it seems, it's very interesting to read about it all.
There is still a lot I have to discover about POIS, it's only three days since I know about this. So thanks for all your posts.
While reading the posts in this thread I decided I could no longer just be a passive reader, I had to write something just so you guys know there are more people suffering from this.

This is a horrible illness and I hope a cure will be found.

[acronym]

Final Panic - your description of you personality is the same as me. I have suffered form a general anxiousness most of my life. It is very much linked to pois. It was there a little before but in stressful situations only. When it ramped up is when I had pois at 16/17, though at the time I did not know what I had or could link it specifically to having an O. I was in constant pois, so for me having an O did not make me consciously more anxious because I was now going to get pois. The anxiousness just flared back up the next day. As you said having an O pushes the body past a certain limit. I could see meditation & hypnotism helping to reduce the level of anxiety but not breaking the link between having an O an getting increased anxiety. The O causes pois with ramped up anxiety being one of the symptoms and not a case of getting anxious over having an O and getting pois.

I found it hard to do meditation, as I always had constant thoughts. I tried hypnotism using CD + headphones and that helped a bit with my general health and well being. I had to do it morning + night and continuously every day. when I stopped after a while its effects wore off. I also tried herbs + supplements to reduce the anxiousness and this did help lessen pois and the anxiousness which was a big part, but it meant I was not mentally as sharp which I did not like.

That general anxiety for me made wanting sex an act of stress release. The times when I had increased libido but also when iI put on more weight was happy and calmer then sex was lusty and not because I was stressed. Much less pois then, but it was hard for me to maintain that. Just lucky health spells always in the colder months. I've tried the continual solo self-control regime and it did not really help lessen the pois imo. It was good in the fact that it meant I was holding off from having an O during the week though. Still I think there are some here (younger guys anyway) who would still find that too stimulating and get some pois symptoms. I wonder how much of your reduced pois is due to you being really happy (in love) with your new gf. Its really good you have hardly any symptoms for this new relationship.

[nathan123]

Hi friends, I am back. Started new theraphy from next week to find cure to POIS.  Will post on this soon