[desperate man]

When I did my hair mineral analysis test the results came back worse than those with Lyme disease or severly autistic children. Probably the worst the naturopath saw. POIS is BAD.  [!]
Talking about Zinc... I tried it, but of course not for long enough. Maybe for a week is the longest I've gone since I didn't wanted to risk copper deficiency and serious heart conditions associated with it. I used Zinc Chelate, but wondered if there's a better form? I might give it another go, let's say a month.

PS. You should take B6 with Zinc.

[Kima]

Who knows when to start medical research? How many more have to wait?

[desperate man]

Who knows when to start medical research? How many more have to wait?

Forgot to mention that I will have some tests done in the upcoming months (hopefully) which are as extensive as it gets. I've been waiting for this since 4-5 years now. Everything from thyroid, adrenals, celiac, neurotransmitters, vitamin from blood, pancreatic/gallbladder function - you name it. I'll be working with a naturopathic doctor who treated POIS patients in the past. All my results will be posted here.

On a side note... things are pretty bad between me and my wife. Since I attempted to build muscle & muscle mass in the past 6 years now (I've studied the effects of nutrition, exercise etc.) and I couldn't achieve anything. I feel that I'm not stupid to reach such goal, since you and me study and research after our biochemical imbalances throughoutly, while a guy with a golf ball size of a brain can go to the gym and achieve something significant in less than a year. Anyway my wife started to become flirty with one of our co-workers. His a nice guy, but not really attractive - but the main thing is he's hitting the gym and working out. This turns my wife on and I had to listen to about how he is working out and how I should go and join the gym too. I told her "sure, as soon as a doctor fixes me and I don't end up bedridden for 3-4 days from a single hour exercise I'll be more than happy to." I just don't like the way it goes... I think she is planning to cheat on me for reasons I mentioned and I didn't mention with you guys. And I honestly cannot blame her. We are human beings and are attracted to beauty and healthy people. I cannot wait to get my blood work and the rest of the stuff done. Feel like a child on Christmas Eve. I'm praying there won't be any affairs meanwhile, because it would drive me into suicide. I'm so weak and cannot take much more. I wish you guys would start feeling better both mentally and physically! 

[gondal4]

Desperate man,i too decided to commit suicide ,Severe pain in every part of body,as i told before werner syndrome,it will get pretty bad from here and im in severe pain mentally and physicaally,just finding right in 2,3 year to commit suicide.

[LupeNL]

When I did my hair mineral analysis test the results came back worse than those with Lyme disease or severly autistic children. Probably the worst the naturopath saw. POIS is BAD.  [!]
Talking about Zinc... I tried it, but of course not for long enough. Maybe for a week is the longest I've gone since I didn't wanted to risk copper deficiency and serious heart conditions associated with it. I used Zinc Chelate, but wondered if there's a better form? I might give it another go, let's say a month.

PS. You should take B6 with Zinc.

It's not what I meant. Taking zinc for a month won't hurt but you probably won't see any difference. You need a full protocol of minerals and vitamins, especially if your hair test looked bad. If you have a lot of mercury or other heavy metals you will also have to look into chelation. It's a long-term approach  - few years ahead. In the meantime by trail and error you can figure out what diet and minerals help for POIS symptoms. For me is combination of niacin, zinc and copper.

Since I attempted to build muscle & muscle mass in the past 6 years now...

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway.


 

[B_Daniel]

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway. 

I completely agree with LupeNL.  If you can't control your weight/ can't build muscle, the problem is almost always gut related.  I went through this myself, for years not being able to gain at all.  At times I looked sickly I've been so thin.  FINALLY, 3 months ago i got my gut issues sorted out.  I was diagnosed with H Pylori which I got rid of.  Then I started keeping a food diary to sort out what upset my stomach.  I cut out all the things which gave me issues, which include processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, and i'm still iffy on nuts.  I've gained 10 pounds of muscle since then and continue to put on more   

[benvil]

When I did my hair mineral analysis test the results came back worse than those with Lyme disease or severly autistic children. Probably the worst the naturopath saw. POIS is BAD.  [!]
Talking about Zinc... I tried it, but of course not for long enough. Maybe for a week is the longest I've gone since I didn't wanted to risk copper deficiency and serious heart conditions associated with it. I used Zinc Chelate, but wondered if there's a better form? I might give it another go, let's say a month.

PS. You should take B6 with Zinc.

If your hair test was that bad, how do you know it's not Mercury related? Andy Cutler says that pregnancy, mercury and lactating woman are the only 3 things that can cause deranged mineral transport, which is according to him very likely if your hair test is messed up.

[MBX]

Hi friends,

Let's give try with turmeric ( curcuma). I've tried it and it seems to reduce POIS
symptoms significantly.

Here is the way to take turmeric:

I add teaspoon of raw turmeric to boiling water and keep the solution boiling for 10 mins until I get the turmeric paste. Then , I add the paste to a cup of full-fat milk. This is increase the absorption of the effective ingredient "curcumin"

I take dose directly after orgasm and then regularly until I make sure that the effect of POIS has diminished away.

Regards.

[kurtosis]

Hi friends,

Let's give try with turmeric ( curcuma). I've tried it and it seems to reduce POIS
symptoms significantly.

Here is the way to take turmeric:

I add teaspoon of raw turmeric to boiling water and keep the solution boiling for 10 mins until I get the turmeric paste. Then , I add the paste to a cup of full-fat milk. This is increase the absorption of the effective ingredient "curcumin"

I take dose directly after orgasm and then regularly until I make sure that the effect of POIS has diminished away.

Regards.

Pretty much every substance (apart from hormones) that have improved peoples' POIS are polyphenols , many are flavonoids which are a subset of polyphenols that are are frequently found in food. There are many scientific studies showing reduced inflammation and oxidative stress in cells treated with flavonoids.

Rather than just focussing on one, curcumin in tumeric, why not take a selection of polyphenols every day?  Resveratrol, ginger, quercetin, cathechins in tea etc. The only think I wouldn't recommend is caffeine. Tea and coffee are high in polyphenols but they also contain caffeine which, in my experience, is not good for POIS because it constricts blood vessels so I prefer decaffeinated teas.  I'm also wary of juices as they have so much added sugar.
Read http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009111025.htm

There are lots of guides online about how to improve your diet so its richer in polyphenols and lower in sources of free radicals. Most large stores have spiceracks full of foods rich in polyphenols. Deep fried foods in hydrogenated fats are the worst, avoid them whenever possible. Over time you learn to identify the foods that make you feel better by the effects of the flavonoids and anthocyanins they contain.
And if you can't get enough from your diet there's always supplements.

[acronym]

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway. 

I completely agree with LupeNL.  If you can't control your weight/ can't build muscle, the problem is almost always gut related.  I went through this myself, for years not being able to gain at all.  At times I looked sickly I've been so thin.  FINALLY, 3 months ago i got my gut issues sorted out.  I was diagnosed with H Pylori which I got rid of.  Then I started keeping a food diary to sort out what upset my stomach.  I cut out all the things which gave me issues, which include processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, and i'm still iffy on nuts.  I've gained 10 pounds of muscle since then and continue to put on more   

That's excellent BD. Like you and a few others on this page I've had extreme difficulty putting on weight. Ive been under the guidance of a personal trainer who was impressed with my training, strength, supplement regime and diet, but was very surprised I made no progress apart from strength but for only just a little weight gain which disappears in summer. Seeing a pois survey though its not a common theme for all pois sufferers by any means...just some of us. I did the stuff myself 6 meals a day diets in the past, and I would just run myself down with tiredness from continually digesting food all the time. I was like you...it was bizarre I looked sickly thin in summer given the food I was consuming and the fact I was doing weight lifting. So frustrating and I have found when the periods I have increase in weight my pois diminishes.

Given the calories I was consuming it had to be a malabsorption issue but doctors were not too overly concerned. Probiotics and enzymes never made much difference. I saw gastro docs but it was a waste of time. I had some fecal tests done and a number of issues were found. Overgrowth of a number of bad bacteria and zero good e-coli and also some parasites. I was treated for parasites and felt a little better and my stomach was not so sore anymore but no weight gain. I was treated for the bad bacterial overgrowth but no success there. I have cut out things like you - processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, nuts and avoiding these definitely improves my health/energy but no weight gain. The only recent change I am doing is that I am becoming more hardcore on avoiding all grains. Its hard to do though as it chops out a lot of carbs plus it also goes again the grain in terms of weight gain. I am also getting back into Kefir which I took a fair bit of the middle of last year when I had a better than normal health spell and put on weight (and kept it). I have to say liquid chlorophyll (detox) and liquid licorice tincture (healing +anti bacterial) also helped my digestion too.

BD - after your change in diet how long did it take for your gut to heal before you realised you had put on some of the weight?  Did the 10lbs come on pretty fast and are you still putting on weight?

[Kima]

31000$ pois Grant  [:-'(] [:-'(] [:-'(] [:-'(]

[hamsterboy]

Hello

I just wanted to share my info regarding POIS

Have tried using 100mg nicotine acid per day, but only relieved some symptoms and seemed to work less with time.

I see people posting about curcumin(oids).
I was on tumeric extract (high lvl curcuminoids) for treating prostatis.
It didn't really help with my symptoms, I took the medication quite often so would've seen an improvement.

Something that I found helps with my symptoms is if I have high levels of libido / testosterone post ejaculation.
Things that help is lots of vitamins and red meat

Interestingly another thing that helped was while I was on Bee venom Therapy I seemed to remained aroused even after ejaculation.

Hope my info might be helpful to someone
Thanks for all who contribute to this thread.

[desperate man]

Hello

I just wanted to share my info regarding POIS

Have tried using 100mg nicotine acid per day, but only relieved some symptoms and seemed to work less with time.

I see people posting about curcumin(oids).
I was on tumeric extract (high lvl curcuminoids) for treating prostatis.
It didn't really help with my symptoms, I took the medication quite often so would've seen an improvement.

Something that I found helps with my symptoms is if I have high levels of libido / testosterone post ejaculation.
Things that help is lots of vitamins and red meat

Interestingly another thing that helped was while I was on Bee venom Therapy I seemed to remained aroused even after ejaculation.

Hope my info might be helpful to someone
Thanks for all who contribute to this thread.

I'm wondering if it's normal to feel aroused after ejaculation if you are "normal" without POIS? It's somewhat natural to feel tired after ejac (though not on the extreme level as we do). Prolactin shoots up to make you tired and sleepy. Prolactin and dopamine have an opposite relation. When one is high the other will tend to be lower. This is just a personal opinion, but I think the reason this reaction happens is to preserve your heart valves, heart muscles so you don't end up ejaculating yourself to death. We might have undiagnosed heart issues OR the brain sends false information regarding muscle/energy and goes into preservation mode causing all the crazy symptoms. It could be immune response, diabetes, adrenal insufficiency or who knows what else too. The body is a complicated system. If it wasn't, then we would already figured out what's causing all this. IMHO we can't see the forest for the trees.

[Bulbo]

Hello everyone.
I have been using resveratrol for 40 days. I have very good improvement with resveratrol. My pois used to last for 1 day. After having been on resveratrol for 40 days, pois after nocturnal emission last for 4 hrs. But pois last for 1 day after a deliberate orgasm. I usually o at night before sleep, this drastically reduces the quality of sleep and the sleep loss may be causing the pois feeling to linger for a day even after starting on resveratrol . I use 100 mg of resveratrol twice daily.

[Nightingale]

Attention everyone!

Looks like there will FINALLY be an opportunity to chat with each other LIVE! I have been collecting Skype names of those who are wanting to get together for a chance to meet and share our "online company" with each other

If you are interested, look at this post for details on how to contact me via Skype: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1531.msg14460#msg14460

I've sent out the message to my contacts to see if 11/16, Sunday, would be a good day to talk. I will try to find a good time to meet for as many people as I can, we are an international group with many people in various time zones!

You can be on camera, or you don't have to be! Whatever you are comfortable with!

[ozmoses]

Hope you join this new group. 

I've created a new group for people suffering from POIS and who are familiar with MTHFR.  Hoping to gather data to see if there are particular genetic mutations that may be causing our suffering. You can find it here. It's new.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/mthfrpois/ [nofollow]

[kurtosis]

Hope you join this new group. 

I've created a new group for people suffering from POIS and who are familiar with MTHFR.  Hoping to gather data to see if there are particular genetic mutations that may be causing our suffering. You can find it here. It's new.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/mthfrpois/

Good idea!

[Kingkong]

Hi everybody,

I saw an endo this week for the first time. He prescribed me "Depo-Testoterone" 100mg each 2 weeks. But before, I will have to do blood test next week. His opinion is that POIS don't have anything to do with testosterone. The only benefit that we can have by taking testosterone is because it kills spermatozoid. But anyways he accepted to give me a prescription. Of course I am his first patient to talk with him about POIS. So for the ones who are on TRT, do you think that 100 mg per 2 weeks is enought to have significant results for curing POIS? I am 6 feet 2 inchs and I am 225 pounds and I am 55 years old.

[goosewort]

Hi Everyone, this is my first post. I would like to suggest a potential cure or aid.

But first, some background. Few years ago I tried newbielink:http://reddit.com/r/noFap [nonactive] (even before reddit's nofap existed). After many struggles I got good at staying away from masturbation. However, I would get horrible POIS symptoms after wet dreams! After a while, somehow my POIS disappeared. I would get wet dreams, but there was no POIS any more. I didn't think about what made POIS go away, I was just happy it was gone. The year that followed (I stayed abstinent) has been one of the best of my life!

About 3 months ago, I got a debilitating wet dream. Full blown POIS with brain fog, social anxiety, inability to make eye contact, depression, etc. Since then, every time I get a wet dream I just die to the world. I have tried to figure out how did I cure my POIS initially. To make a long story short, I think the cause was SIBO and I got rid of if by eating one carrot with coconut oil every morning.

That's right, carrots. Apparently, carrots do many good things for the intestines, and act like a natural antibiotic. Coconut oil is also antifungal. Some quotes:

Two hundred grams of raw carrot eaten at breakfast each day for 3 weeks significantly reduced serum cholesterol by 11%, increased fecal bile acid and fat excretion by 50%, and modestly increased stool weight by 25%. This suggests an associated change in bacterial flora or metabolism. The changes in serum cholesterol, fecal bile acids, and fat persisted 3 weeks after stopping treatment.

newbielink:http://freetheanimal.com/2012/04/raw-carrots-wtf.html [nonactive]

And Ray Peat talked about this a lot also:

Coconut oil lowers the requirement for vitamin E, and reduces the toxicity of the unsaturated fats (see Cleland, et al.), favoring effective respiration and improving thyroid and progesterone production. Endotoxin formed in the bowel can block respiration and cause hormone imbalances contributing to instability of the nerves, so it is helpful to optimize bowel flora, for example with a carrot salad; a dressing of vinegar, coconut oil and olive oil, carried into the intestine by the carrot fiber, suppresses bacterial growth while stimulating healing of the wall of the intestine. The carrot salad improves the ratio of progesterone to estrogen and cortisol, and so is as appropriate for epilepsy as for premenstrual syndrome, insomnia, or arthritis.

newbielink:http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/epilepsy-progesterone.shtml [nonactive]

So try a raw carrot with coconut and/or olive oil, vinegar and salt. I'm very very inclined to believe that's how I cured my POIS initially. I will go on the carrot salad again starting tomorrow and will report back. I wanted to put this out here as soon as possibl in case it may help someone. Cannot hurt and it tastes good too.

Sorry if a little incoherent, still a bit under POIS haze after a wet dream two days ago. Best wishes to everyone!

[goosewort]

Oh, and to avoid SIBO caused by poo flowing backwards from colon to small intestine, always squat when you poop! Seriously:

newbielink:http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html [nonactive]