[benvil]

Hey, I would like to ask if any of you have done a hair elemental test( newbielink:http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html [nonactive]) and what it showed for you? Because apparently I meet all the counting rules for mercury poisoning(information about that in the link) and I'd like to see any of you have done this test?

Few people here did a hair test and following nutritional balancing program, not specifically for mercury but to correct mineral imbalance of copper and zinc. Most of them had significant progress but not cured totally.

However most of the forum believe that hair tests are a quackery. The same with mercury poisoning.

I'm still convinced that POIS is a result of mercury retention in the tissues. I wrote a few posts about it starting on page 783.

Alright, do you remember their results roughly? Did they have lots differing?

Have you had a hair test yourself? Why do they think hair test and mercury poisoning is quackery?

I actually searched mercury and found a few of your posts so I PM:d you

[LupeNL]

Alright, do you remember their results roughly? Did they have lots differing?

Have you had a hair test yourself? Why do they think hair test and mercury poisoning is quackery?

I actually searched mercury and found a few of your posts so I PM:d you

I only saw a hair test of one other person on this forum. It was quite similar to mine: very low mercury, low copper, high zinc to copper ratio, high calcium to magnesium ratio, raised aluminum.Those are quite common for mercury poisoned people on frequent dose chelation forum, besides copper which is usually high.

I'm doing a retest every 6 months and it matches the progress/regress in my symptoms. I PM'ed you also.

Hair tests and chronic mercury poisoning are not really acknowledged by conventional western medicine, therefore on this forum also.

Main arguments:
"I took zinc and I don't see any difference"
Correcting mineral imbalance takes time, sometimes very long time and difference can be noticed after months of careful protocol. It's good for you cause if mineral balance could quickly change then lot of people would die from mineral deficiency.

When mercury enters the system it disrupts all minerals, as it's second most toxic element in the world. Essential minerals have much less power.

"I have low mercury in hair and urine so I can't be poisoned"
Having low mercury in tests is usually a sign you have problems excreting it. Retention of mercury in tissues is what causing problems

"POIS can't be due to mercury cause it's only about orgasm"
Not true as many people on the forum have digestive problems , insomnia and multiple other symptoms.

"Most people have amalgams in teeth and get vaccines so everyone should be sick"
Degree of damage is affected by different factors (other heavy metals, diet, lifestyle) but main culprit is mercury. We live in era of brain diseases with highest rates of autism and alzheimer's. These diseases didn't exist before introducing thiomersal to vaccines and mercury amalgams in dentistry. POIS and chronic fatigue are quite new diseases being a result of mercury rising in environment and humans.

[desperate man]

When I did my hair mineral analysis test the results came back worse than those with Lyme disease or severly autistic children. Probably the worst the naturopath saw. POIS is BAD.  [!]
Talking about Zinc... I tried it, but of course not for long enough. Maybe for a week is the longest I've gone since I didn't wanted to risk copper deficiency and serious heart conditions associated with it. I used Zinc Chelate, but wondered if there's a better form? I might give it another go, let's say a month.

PS. You should take B6 with Zinc.

[Kima]

Who knows when to start medical research? How many more have to wait?

[desperate man]

Who knows when to start medical research? How many more have to wait?

Forgot to mention that I will have some tests done in the upcoming months (hopefully) which are as extensive as it gets. I've been waiting for this since 4-5 years now. Everything from thyroid, adrenals, celiac, neurotransmitters, vitamin from blood, pancreatic/gallbladder function - you name it. I'll be working with a naturopathic doctor who treated POIS patients in the past. All my results will be posted here.

On a side note... things are pretty bad between me and my wife. Since I attempted to build muscle & muscle mass in the past 6 years now (I've studied the effects of nutrition, exercise etc.) and I couldn't achieve anything. I feel that I'm not stupid to reach such goal, since you and me study and research after our biochemical imbalances throughoutly, while a guy with a golf ball size of a brain can go to the gym and achieve something significant in less than a year. Anyway my wife started to become flirty with one of our co-workers. His a nice guy, but not really attractive - but the main thing is he's hitting the gym and working out. This turns my wife on and I had to listen to about how he is working out and how I should go and join the gym too. I told her "sure, as soon as a doctor fixes me and I don't end up bedridden for 3-4 days from a single hour exercise I'll be more than happy to." I just don't like the way it goes... I think she is planning to cheat on me for reasons I mentioned and I didn't mention with you guys. And I honestly cannot blame her. We are human beings and are attracted to beauty and healthy people. I cannot wait to get my blood work and the rest of the stuff done. Feel like a child on Christmas Eve. I'm praying there won't be any affairs meanwhile, because it would drive me into suicide. I'm so weak and cannot take much more. I wish you guys would start feeling better both mentally and physically! 

[gondal4]

Desperate man,i too decided to commit suicide ,Severe pain in every part of body,as i told before werner syndrome,it will get pretty bad from here and im in severe pain mentally and physicaally,just finding right in 2,3 year to commit suicide.

[LupeNL]

When I did my hair mineral analysis test the results came back worse than those with Lyme disease or severly autistic children. Probably the worst the naturopath saw. POIS is BAD.  [!]
Talking about Zinc... I tried it, but of course not for long enough. Maybe for a week is the longest I've gone since I didn't wanted to risk copper deficiency and serious heart conditions associated with it. I used Zinc Chelate, but wondered if there's a better form? I might give it another go, let's say a month.

PS. You should take B6 with Zinc.

It's not what I meant. Taking zinc for a month won't hurt but you probably won't see any difference. You need a full protocol of minerals and vitamins, especially if your hair test looked bad. If you have a lot of mercury or other heavy metals you will also have to look into chelation. It's a long-term approach  - few years ahead. In the meantime by trail and error you can figure out what diet and minerals help for POIS symptoms. For me is combination of niacin, zinc and copper.

Since I attempted to build muscle & muscle mass in the past 6 years now...

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway.


 

[B_Daniel]

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway. 

I completely agree with LupeNL.  If you can't control your weight/ can't build muscle, the problem is almost always gut related.  I went through this myself, for years not being able to gain at all.  At times I looked sickly I've been so thin.  FINALLY, 3 months ago i got my gut issues sorted out.  I was diagnosed with H Pylori which I got rid of.  Then I started keeping a food diary to sort out what upset my stomach.  I cut out all the things which gave me issues, which include processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, and i'm still iffy on nuts.  I've gained 10 pounds of muscle since then and continue to put on more   

[benvil]

When I did my hair mineral analysis test the results came back worse than those with Lyme disease or severly autistic children. Probably the worst the naturopath saw. POIS is BAD.  [!]
Talking about Zinc... I tried it, but of course not for long enough. Maybe for a week is the longest I've gone since I didn't wanted to risk copper deficiency and serious heart conditions associated with it. I used Zinc Chelate, but wondered if there's a better form? I might give it another go, let's say a month.

PS. You should take B6 with Zinc.

If your hair test was that bad, how do you know it's not Mercury related? Andy Cutler says that pregnancy, mercury and lactating woman are the only 3 things that can cause deranged mineral transport, which is according to him very likely if your hair test is messed up.

[MBX]

Hi friends,

Let's give try with turmeric ( curcuma). I've tried it and it seems to reduce POIS
symptoms significantly.

Here is the way to take turmeric:

I add teaspoon of raw turmeric to boiling water and keep the solution boiling for 10 mins until I get the turmeric paste. Then , I add the paste to a cup of full-fat milk. This is increase the absorption of the effective ingredient "curcumin"

I take dose directly after orgasm and then regularly until I make sure that the effect of POIS has diminished away.

Regards.

[kurtosis]

Hi friends,

Let's give try with turmeric ( curcuma). I've tried it and it seems to reduce POIS
symptoms significantly.

Here is the way to take turmeric:

I add teaspoon of raw turmeric to boiling water and keep the solution boiling for 10 mins until I get the turmeric paste. Then , I add the paste to a cup of full-fat milk. This is increase the absorption of the effective ingredient "curcumin"

I take dose directly after orgasm and then regularly until I make sure that the effect of POIS has diminished away.

Regards.

Pretty much every substance (apart from hormones) that have improved peoples' POIS are polyphenols , many are flavonoids which are a subset of polyphenols that are are frequently found in food. There are many scientific studies showing reduced inflammation and oxidative stress in cells treated with flavonoids.

Rather than just focussing on one, curcumin in tumeric, why not take a selection of polyphenols every day?  Resveratrol, ginger, quercetin, cathechins in tea etc. The only think I wouldn't recommend is caffeine. Tea and coffee are high in polyphenols but they also contain caffeine which, in my experience, is not good for POIS because it constricts blood vessels so I prefer decaffeinated teas.  I'm also wary of juices as they have so much added sugar.
Read http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131009111025.htm

There are lots of guides online about how to improve your diet so its richer in polyphenols and lower in sources of free radicals. Most large stores have spiceracks full of foods rich in polyphenols. Deep fried foods in hydrogenated fats are the worst, avoid them whenever possible. Over time you learn to identify the foods that make you feel better by the effects of the flavonoids and anthocyanins they contain.
And if you can't get enough from your diet there's always supplements.

[acronym]

I was also very heavy into bodybuilding. I was skinny all my life so wanted to put on muscle. I became a gym freak but with very little results. At one time, I was eating more and more but getting more and more skinny due to malabsorption issues. Your lack of results in the gym plus depression and suicidal thoughts scream digestive issues to me. These go hand in hand with POIS. I strongly suggest avoiding any sugar, grains, gluten or milk. Gut is very often affected by mercury as a major detox pathway. 

I completely agree with LupeNL.  If you can't control your weight/ can't build muscle, the problem is almost always gut related.  I went through this myself, for years not being able to gain at all.  At times I looked sickly I've been so thin.  FINALLY, 3 months ago i got my gut issues sorted out.  I was diagnosed with H Pylori which I got rid of.  Then I started keeping a food diary to sort out what upset my stomach.  I cut out all the things which gave me issues, which include processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, and i'm still iffy on nuts.  I've gained 10 pounds of muscle since then and continue to put on more   

That's excellent BD. Like you and a few others on this page I've had extreme difficulty putting on weight. Ive been under the guidance of a personal trainer who was impressed with my training, strength, supplement regime and diet, but was very surprised I made no progress apart from strength but for only just a little weight gain which disappears in summer. Seeing a pois survey though its not a common theme for all pois sufferers by any means...just some of us. I did the stuff myself 6 meals a day diets in the past, and I would just run myself down with tiredness from continually digesting food all the time. I was like you...it was bizarre I looked sickly thin in summer given the food I was consuming and the fact I was doing weight lifting. So frustrating and I have found when the periods I have increase in weight my pois diminishes.

Given the calories I was consuming it had to be a malabsorption issue but doctors were not too overly concerned. Probiotics and enzymes never made much difference. I saw gastro docs but it was a waste of time. I had some fecal tests done and a number of issues were found. Overgrowth of a number of bad bacteria and zero good e-coli and also some parasites. I was treated for parasites and felt a little better and my stomach was not so sore anymore but no weight gain. I was treated for the bad bacterial overgrowth but no success there. I have cut out things like you - processed foods, dairy, wheat, beans, nuts and avoiding these definitely improves my health/energy but no weight gain. The only recent change I am doing is that I am becoming more hardcore on avoiding all grains. Its hard to do though as it chops out a lot of carbs plus it also goes again the grain in terms of weight gain. I am also getting back into Kefir which I took a fair bit of the middle of last year when I had a better than normal health spell and put on weight (and kept it). I have to say liquid chlorophyll (detox) and liquid licorice tincture (healing +anti bacterial) also helped my digestion too.

BD - after your change in diet how long did it take for your gut to heal before you realised you had put on some of the weight?  Did the 10lbs come on pretty fast and are you still putting on weight?

[Kima]

31000$ pois Grant  [:-'(] [:-'(] [:-'(] [:-'(]

[hamsterboy]

Hello

I just wanted to share my info regarding POIS

Have tried using 100mg nicotine acid per day, but only relieved some symptoms and seemed to work less with time.

I see people posting about curcumin(oids).
I was on tumeric extract (high lvl curcuminoids) for treating prostatis.
It didn't really help with my symptoms, I took the medication quite often so would've seen an improvement.

Something that I found helps with my symptoms is if I have high levels of libido / testosterone post ejaculation.
Things that help is lots of vitamins and red meat

Interestingly another thing that helped was while I was on Bee venom Therapy I seemed to remained aroused even after ejaculation.

Hope my info might be helpful to someone
Thanks for all who contribute to this thread.

[desperate man]

Hello

I just wanted to share my info regarding POIS

Have tried using 100mg nicotine acid per day, but only relieved some symptoms and seemed to work less with time.

I see people posting about curcumin(oids).
I was on tumeric extract (high lvl curcuminoids) for treating prostatis.
It didn't really help with my symptoms, I took the medication quite often so would've seen an improvement.

Something that I found helps with my symptoms is if I have high levels of libido / testosterone post ejaculation.
Things that help is lots of vitamins and red meat

Interestingly another thing that helped was while I was on Bee venom Therapy I seemed to remained aroused even after ejaculation.

Hope my info might be helpful to someone
Thanks for all who contribute to this thread.

I'm wondering if it's normal to feel aroused after ejaculation if you are "normal" without POIS? It's somewhat natural to feel tired after ejac (though not on the extreme level as we do). Prolactin shoots up to make you tired and sleepy. Prolactin and dopamine have an opposite relation. When one is high the other will tend to be lower. This is just a personal opinion, but I think the reason this reaction happens is to preserve your heart valves, heart muscles so you don't end up ejaculating yourself to death. We might have undiagnosed heart issues OR the brain sends false information regarding muscle/energy and goes into preservation mode causing all the crazy symptoms. It could be immune response, diabetes, adrenal insufficiency or who knows what else too. The body is a complicated system. If it wasn't, then we would already figured out what's causing all this. IMHO we can't see the forest for the trees.

[Bulbo]

Hello everyone.
I have been using resveratrol for 40 days. I have very good improvement with resveratrol. My pois used to last for 1 day. After having been on resveratrol for 40 days, pois after nocturnal emission last for 4 hrs. But pois last for 1 day after a deliberate orgasm. I usually o at night before sleep, this drastically reduces the quality of sleep and the sleep loss may be causing the pois feeling to linger for a day even after starting on resveratrol . I use 100 mg of resveratrol twice daily.

[Nightingale]

Attention everyone!

Looks like there will FINALLY be an opportunity to chat with each other LIVE! I have been collecting Skype names of those who are wanting to get together for a chance to meet and share our "online company" with each other

If you are interested, look at this post for details on how to contact me via Skype: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1531.msg14460#msg14460

I've sent out the message to my contacts to see if 11/16, Sunday, would be a good day to talk. I will try to find a good time to meet for as many people as I can, we are an international group with many people in various time zones!

You can be on camera, or you don't have to be! Whatever you are comfortable with!

[ozmoses]

Hope you join this new group. 

I've created a new group for people suffering from POIS and who are familiar with MTHFR.  Hoping to gather data to see if there are particular genetic mutations that may be causing our suffering. You can find it here. It's new.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/mthfrpois/ [nofollow]

[kurtosis]

Hope you join this new group. 

I've created a new group for people suffering from POIS and who are familiar with MTHFR.  Hoping to gather data to see if there are particular genetic mutations that may be causing our suffering. You can find it here. It's new.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/mthfrpois/

Good idea!

[Kingkong]

Hi everybody,

I saw an endo this week for the first time. He prescribed me "Depo-Testoterone" 100mg each 2 weeks. But before, I will have to do blood test next week. His opinion is that POIS don't have anything to do with testosterone. The only benefit that we can have by taking testosterone is because it kills spermatozoid. But anyways he accepted to give me a prescription. Of course I am his first patient to talk with him about POIS. So for the ones who are on TRT, do you think that 100 mg per 2 weeks is enought to have significant results for curing POIS? I am 6 feet 2 inchs and I am 225 pounds and I am 55 years old.