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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19920 on: 21/08/2015 10:10:38 »
Quote from: onelongwar on 20/08/2015 19:23:35
Quote from: 4everfogged on 19/08/2015 08:03:09
For those who have not noticed poiscenter is running again:

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php
or
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=recent

Still broken for me.

That's strange. I got access at this very moment. Perhaps it was offline for a short period at one stage!!! Few days ago I temporarily couldn’t access NSF either.
Tip: Careful with spam though, especially on Poiscenter with Russian text. Admin will eventually remove it. If you curious or hesitate on clicking unfamiliar text, rather copy/paste it first in google translate which will explain if POIS related or not.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19921 on: 25/08/2015 12:09:15 »
Quote from: 4everfogged on 14/08/2015 12:02:52
This entire past week, every morning at around 9:00AM I had my blood drawn. My doc wanted to check if he could find anything significant before and after O. The only thing that caught his attention is Prolactin, but not sure if anything significant. I had an O after 2nd blood test but about 2,5-3 hours before 3rd blood test.

P.S: My mental symptoms are generally the worst on day 2 and sometimes seem just as bad on day 3 though they can start off within minutes. I also don’t know if this test had any significance if comparing with my previous situation as with my new diet approach I generally feel better off, but obviously if I’d start having a O on a weekly basis again then I believe to turn back to square one, because especially after a 3rd weekend in a row I’d start feeling pretty strained/depressed. I believe intensity of suffering depends on various factors depending how tired I am, stress, activated allergies, etc.. My doc only planned this test a few days before start. I had O a week before that but none in the 2 weeks before that. For this test my symptoms were most certainly not of the worst. I suspect to have a difficult time if I’d have O sometime this weekend because already feel prostate area under pressure as this is not always the case!!!
Perhaps this test would have been more interesting to compare the same with previous diet.

Not that it would be important but just to complete a small detail, which I did not have at the time of the post on 14/08. My prolactin reading for 14/08 that I was confirmed a few days later was measured at 9,5. (Same reading as was on 08/08; you'd have to go back to my old post to see readings on other days)

Another detail I'd like to share besides prolactin, on the one blood test I simultaneously had lipase checked the reading was:
107 reference: <60 U/L

Lipase has important role in digestion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipase
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19922 on: 25/08/2015 19:58:01 »
Hey guys,

Thank you so much for sharing your theories regarding niacin and Pois.

I get severe pois. The day after an O, my nervous system goes bananas. I also get bad social anxiety days after.


I would like to share my theory:

1. Orgasm raises adrenaline levels
http://uk.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_250/271b_love_tip.html

2. Hypothesis:
Our bodies / thyroids / glands can not "burn out"/metabolize excessive adrenaline

3.
Symptoms of excessive adrenaline
https://www.womentowomen.com/adrenal-health-2/symptoms-adrenal-fatigue/

4.
Niacin metabolizes/"burns out" adrenaline
http://www.livestrong.com/article/408424-niacin-anxiety/

(Niacin can also be used to treat PTSD (- maybe excessive adrenaline?)
and Abram Hoffer´s work with treating schizofrenia with niacin is
based on niacin´s ability to handle excessive adrenaline.. therefore
protecting the individual against "adrenochromes".
http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml)


Long story short.

Our body cannot metabolize/"burn out" excessive adrenaline
-> Niacin takes care of this

Feel free to comment.


Take care
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19923 on: 26/08/2015 06:56:27 »
Quote from: 4everfogged on 25/08/2015 12:09:15


Another detail I'd like to share besides prolactin, on the one blood test I simultaneously had lipase checked the reading was:
107 reference: <60 U/L

Lipase has important role in digestion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipase

Interesting. I have high lipase too (134 U/L if i remember).
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19924 on: 07/09/2015 18:10:39 »
Hi guys, do you notice POIS sysmptoms even during non POIS period???  Recently , If I observe keenly, I
notice some POIS symptoms during non pois period..... many times during non pois period i can feel some
fatigue , less energy, mild brain fog, less memory in the morning.......and as the day progresses by evening i regain most of the energy and feel enthusiastic....(.may be this is related to less cortisol in the morning (which actually should be high in healthy persons) and high cortisol in the evening....). sometimes i feel this pois is due to malfunction of adrenal glands and orgasm causes extreme stress  in these adrenals and as a result we produce either low cortisol or high cortisol....a thinking in this direction may also help us reaching the destination...
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19925 on: 09/09/2015 12:22:59 »
Quote from: abnormal8340 on 07/09/2015 18:10:39
Hi guys, do you notice POIS sysmptoms even during non POIS period???  Recently , If I observe keenly, I
notice some POIS symptoms during non pois period..... many times during non pois period i can feel some
fatigue , less energy, mild brain fog, less memory in the morning.......and as the day progresses by evening i regain most of the energy and feel enthusiastic....(.may be this is related to less cortisol in the morning (which actually should be high in healthy persons) and high cortisol in the evening....). sometimes i feel this pois is due to malfunction of adrenal glands and orgasm causes extreme stress  in these adrenals and as a result we produce either low cortisol or high cortisol....a thinking in this direction may also help us reaching the destination...

I know!!! I’ve also been through the same thoughts but there are some techniques that can get that partly under control. I’ve managed to feel much much better during non POIS period, but it’s taken me a lot of effort. If you go through my old posts you will see that my step number one is to live on a diet as healthy as possible, make sure you stick to a routine that gives you enough rest (I’ve been lucky enough to not be working so it’s easier – that’s if I can call this luck cause in reality I’d prefer being continuously employed). It takes a lot of time for your body to come up with results with diet and all the rest. For each different food that you about to eat….give it a thought. For Breakfast eat rather 2 or 3 pieces of fruit cut up and mixed with greek yogurt and 2 table spoons of pure coco powder. Eat loads of veg with fish or chicken for lunch time (0% starch). With whatever is happening inside our body it seems we are unable to process digestion and absorption of starch and unhealthy foods in combination with this adrenaline issue. We are ultra-sensitive to these so called bad foods that worsens our fatigue and then you get all that unnecessary feeling of not being able to stay focused enough as all the irritation that comes with it during the day. Do some daily fast walking in the morning or afternoon. But not too much late in the evening. Make sure you’ve figured out what all you could be allergic too. If you still struggling “heavily” in 2 to 3 months you either not resting enough or you have some other underlying issue. Besides whatever technique’s or pre packs (supplements) you take before and after ejaculation. Some daily vitamins + supplements are also helpful. Avoiding stress also helps loads.

I’ve managed to feel at least 70% or even 80% better off during non POIS as long as I manage to stick to my routine…..there does not seem to be an easier way out….Some do a lot of yoga or meditation but I think that is mainly a stress control technique. If you focus yourself on a healthy routine I believe it can be equally beneficial.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19926 on: 09/09/2015 12:42:53 »
I registered on poiscenter 2 days ago but have not received confirmation response yet!!! I hope someone will find my mail between all that spam.

Those guys doing all that spam should be tracked and reported to authorities in the same way that paedophiles are taken care of.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19927 on: 10/09/2015 15:33:48 »
Quote from: 4everfogged on 09/09/2015 12:42:53
I registered on poiscenter 2 days ago but have not received confirmation response yet!!! I hope someone will find my mail between all that spam.

Those guys doing all that spam should be tracked and reported to authorities in the same way that paedophiles are taken care of.


4everfogged --

Poiscenter is setting up a new anti-spam program, so for now it's not possible to register a new account there on your own.

You can send poiscenter's administrator, Daveman, a private message (his email is listed on the registration form that you can find on the site's registration page. Please include the username that you used in your registration email, as well as your personal email address. He'll be able to search for your registration form and unblock it. You'll then receive an email to let you know that your registration has been approved.

Best wishes,
Stef
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19928 on: 12/09/2015 14:04:04 »
Quote from: Stef on 10/09/2015 15:33:48

4everfogged --

Poiscenter is setting up a new anti-spam program, so for now it's not possible to register a new account there on your own.

You can send poiscenter's administrator, Daveman, a private message (his email is listed on the registration form that you can find on the site's registration page. Please include the username that you used in your registration email, as well as your personal email address. He'll be able to search for your registration form and unblock it. You'll then receive an email to let you know that your registration has been approved.

Best wishes,
Stef
Thanks stef

I gave it another try 2 days ago, just by sending another email with a username. Still no response yet, will be patient...
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19929 on: 17/09/2015 01:28:33 »
Quote from: POISGuy on 06/08/2015 16:21:19
Quote from: GoingCrazy on 06/08/2015 04:40:54
In detail, what has helped me is I've gone 100% completely gluten-free, along with a few other similar items that I cannot handle properly such as buckwheat, corn and other ingredients even included in some gluten-free foods that I have a negative reaction to, especially in pasta and gf pasta (im still in the process of finding pasta I can eat without bad brain reactions).  These reactions were all heavily "brain" based from bad mood to foggy inflammation-brain like feelings with some intestinal upset, but the brain reactions were much worse.  For me its all about trying it out and seeing if it negatively affects me or not... if it affects me negatively, and I will know within 30 minutes to an hour, I put it on a list of foods I cannot eat.  So this is what has helped me.  If you try it and it works for you than great, but if you do try it you have to try it for at least 3 weeks and than see how you feel.  And when I say 100% I mean 100% gluten-free.  If you want to you can than reintroduce it to your diet and if you feel bad than you may have found something that you should stay away from.  Good luck to everybody.

Congratulations!

How did you figure out that this is what would help you? What was your process? Did you see doctors? Try supplements? How did you get to this?

What exactly is your diet? Is it just gluten-free? Low FODMAP? 4everfogged wrote about eliminating all "starch foods" -- doesn't that mean eliminating all plant foods?

Could you give some examples of the foods that you do eat? An example of what you eat on a typical day?


Yes I can and I would like to start off saying after about 9 years of this I am effectively cured.  I left a huge thing on POIS center just a minute ago so I would encourage you to look at that.

I saw a lot of doctors all to no avail.  In the end it was me that solved this.  The thing that started this was that during POIS as I would refrain from having an O.  I would notive that pasta would make me feel totally like sheot.  No joke very terrible.  So I still couldn't really believe that that is what was causing my POIS so it took me a long time to get started on the diet.  On a typical morning I can eat--- Rice Chex (all of rice chex is gluten free --- Eggs --- Milk --- Gluten free bread (make sure it is made with brown rice flour! not any other crap, for now that is the only "flour" I can handle and it is supposed to be universally tolerated and healthy... again some GF breads contain buckwheat flour, sorghum flour etc. all of which I can't handle... Stick to brown rice flour! --- Bacon --- brown rice flour pancakes --- peaches --- pears --- etc... it all has to be gluten and corn free... 

For lunch I usually have a Gluten Free sandwich made with brown rice flour with chicken, turkey, roast beef, mayonnaise is good --- applesauce --- any combination of GF and CF (gluten free corn free) foods

For dinner really anything GF and CF --- Chicken --- French Fries from McDonalds or Burger King is good and GF --- GRILLED Southwest Salad with the corn and chips removed from McDonalds --- Salad from burger king with GF and CF ingredients --- mashed potatoes --- vegetables --- maybe a REESES mcflurry from mcdonalds is ok --- lol I eat more that McDonalds I'm just thinking of foods I can eat.  --- Burger on brown rice flour bread ---  I can tolerate Doritos TO A DEGREE because it has corn in it but it is still better than eating straight corn... it can cause bad effects especially if a lot are consumed so I would recommend against it.

Again I just left a huge thing on POIS center so I'd encourage you to look at that.

I still eat starchy foods.  Not sure what you mean by FODMAP

Good luck guys!  Please check out my post at pois center!
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« Reply #19930 on: 21/09/2015 18:38:52 »
I cut most wheat out of my diet about 3 weeks ago and started feeling a lot healthier just a few days in. I've been eating rice & beans, meat, potatoes, carrots, eggs, bananas, etc...I'll go into it in more detail if the improvement holds.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19931 on: 05/10/2015 20:04:18 »



< former Moderator visiting periodically [:)] >

Just wanted to pop my head in and wish everyone well from POISCenter as I go into surgery this week.

Best wishes to all of you for a POIS-free or at least POIS-reduced 2015/2016 !!

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« Reply #19932 on: 06/10/2015 20:54:29 »
We wish you the best for the surgery and we hope you will go back soon in good shape !

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #19933 on: 07/10/2015 22:35:26 »
You're attempting to force reproductive separation in a compromised way.  Not engaging in sexual activity is a good idea. 
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« Reply #19934 on: 08/10/2015 02:36:56 »
Quote from: B_Jim on 06/10/2015 20:54:29
We wish you the best for the surgery and we hope you will go back soon in good shape !



Thank you, B_Jim!!
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« Reply #19935 on: 10/10/2015 06:13:36 »
Hey folks, I haven't been on in a while but I have found a supplement that has almost cured my pois. The only problems I am still having are the post cortial facial pressure and occasional heart palpitations which are cured by a dose of hawthorn berry.  I have been using the kyani health triangle for almost a month and feel so good I decided to become a distributor and see if I could help other pois sufferers. If anyone is interested you can order at this link. newbielink:https://parkerchris.kyani.net [nonactive]

If you are skeptical I will send out free samples, so there is no risk.
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« Reply #19936 on: 10/10/2015 17:41:02 »
hey guys,  during pois i feel lot of heat from inside....followed by  sweating ,increased thrist  and urine yellow in color.Again sometimes i feel rather cool with little shiver....does this happen to everyone....sometimes  hot and sometimes cool.
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« Reply #19937 on: 10/10/2015 18:05:41 »
Quote from: 4everfogged on 09/09/2015 12:22:59
Quote from: abnormal8340 on 07/09/2015 18:10:39
Hi guys, do you notice POIS sysmptoms even during non POIS period???  Recently , If I observe keenly, I
notice some POIS symptoms during non pois period..... many times during non pois period i can feel some
fatigue , less energy, mild brain fog, less memory in the morning.......and as the day progresses by evening i regain most of the energy and feel enthusiastic....(.may be this is related to less cortisol in the morning (which actually should be high in healthy persons) and high cortisol in the evening....). sometimes i feel this pois is due to malfunction of adrenal glands and orgasm causes extreme stress  in these adrenals and as a result we produce either low cortisol or high cortisol....a thinking in this direction may also help us reaching the destination...

I know!!! I’ve also been through the same thoughts but there are some techniques that can get that partly under control. I’ve managed to feel much much better during non POIS period, but it’s taken me a lot of effort. If you go through my old posts you will see that my step number one is to live on a diet as healthy as possible, make sure you stick to a routine that gives you enough rest (I’ve been lucky enough to not be working so it’s easier – that’s if I can call this luck cause in reality I’d prefer being continuously employed). It takes a lot of time for your body to come up with results with diet and all the rest. For each different food that you about to eat….give it a thought. For Breakfast eat rather 2 or 3 pieces of fruit cut up and mixed with greek yogurt and 2 table spoons of pure coco powder. Eat loads of veg with fish or chicken for lunch time (0% starch). With whatever is happening inside our body it seems we are unable to process digestion and absorption of starch and unhealthy foods in combination with this adrenaline issue. We are ultra-sensitive to these so called bad foods that worsens our fatigue and then you get all that unnecessary feeling of not being able to stay focused enough as all the irritation that comes with it during the day. Do some daily fast walking in the morning or afternoon. But not too much late in the evening. Make sure you’ve figured out what all you could be allergic too. If you still struggling “heavily” in 2 to 3 months you either not resting enough or you have some other underlying issue. Besides whatever technique’s or pre packs (supplements) you take before and after ejaculation. Some daily vitamins + supplements are also helpful. Avoiding stress also helps loads.

I’ve managed to feel at least 70% or even 80% better off during non POIS as long as I manage to stick to my routine…..there does not seem to be an easier way out….Some do a lot of yoga or meditation but I think that is mainly a stress control technique. If you focus yourself on a healthy routine I believe it can be equally beneficial.
thank you foreverfogged.... i have also changed the diet recently .....turned to veggies and fruits...good improvement is seen on the overall physical appearance....was like a patient earlier  .  moreover the saggy face that comes after is improved ( have also began taking a glass of electrolyte water before and after O , maybe it reduced defydration)....
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« Reply #19938 on: 11/10/2015 00:12:05 »
So I did some google searching and I found out that the majority of my pois symptoms are also signs of dehydration(fever, thirst, sagging face, mood disorder,dark eye circles, loss of energy ect. ) Do you think theres a link like somehow orgasim dehydrated us??
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« Reply #19939 on: 13/10/2015 14:58:01 »
No, I don't think so.
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