[martin88]

Hi Andreas, we've the same global view of pois.
It's not clear about testosterone. It hasn't been abandoned.
You can always make an advanced search in our forum only.
Search for this in google :
pois testosterone site:thenakedscientists.com/forum

B_Jim I agree with you for the big number of treatments.
In my post I was insisting on two types of opposites treatments:

Example:
Low carbs diet to raise libido after orgasm+
DHEA
Or
High carbs diet to destroy libido and stay sexually abstinent+
Antiandrogen Flutamine

This is important to specify (stay sexually abstinent or not) when we take a treatment, otherwise it may be not effective.

[girlwind]

It is still possible that beta blockers cause depression in some cases, cautions psychiatrist Stuart C. Yudofsky of Baylor
College of Medicine in Houston. Beta blockers are known to affect serotonin, a brain chemical that may be associated with
depression, he says.

It's written on internet that beta-blockers are sometimes causing depression. This disease is frequently coming with high
levels of cortisol. To be sure I'd make the cortisol test without taking them.

"There are certain drugs that are known to have an effect on thyroid function, including CAUSING hypothyroidism."
One of the drugs listed is Propranolol, a beta-blocker. from the book Living Well With Hypothyroidism by Mary Shomon

[girlwind]

I am not a big believer in the superiority of conventional practitioners.  I almost died from taking Vioxx for a knee injury. I ended up wandering
around in a haze with dangerously low BP.  I survived by stumbling into a convenience store and downing energy drinks. I had severe chest pain
for months after.
The pharmeceutical industry puts out articles trashing alternative medicine and tries to push for regulations that would require prescriptions for
vitamins because they fear them.  Hospitals and drug companies are conglomerates intersted in a bottom line.  The old family doctor is almost
extinct.  My mother died in a hospital because the epinephrine they gave in the ER wouldn't work because her dcoctor had upped the dose of high
blood pressure medicine
I worked in medical research.  The labs are paid big bucks to get results for drugs. They get positive test results. If not there is always a paper
shredder nearby.  The lack of oversight is a "joke".      

Thank you, Finally, for your input on this. I have a 90 year old friend who is a retired doctor, and who is disgusted with
the lack of real patient care these days, now that big bucks pharma industry and the insurance scam industry run the show.
As he puts it, "all the doctoring has gone out of being a doctor."

[demografx]

Martin, which category do you put Levitra in? That's been a powerful remedy for at least two people here, myself included.

[girlwind]

Okay everyone, I have a question. For the past 6 weeks I've been fighting off a recurring sinus infection,
my energy has been down because of it, and my CFS has been worse because of it. I have had zero libido,
and zero interest in sex during this time.

So WHY is it, that when my energy has been clearly dragging and I'm in no mood for anymore draining of it,
have I managed to have three nocturnal orgasms all in the past month? My POIS has been generally better,
since I began the Ashwaganda and iodine for my thyroid problem, but the last orgasm was just too much for
me to handle right now. It added even more fatigue to this equation. So I don't get it.

Why would an orgasm happen when there is no desire for it and no reserves of energy to spare?  Isn't that
"counter-intuitive" for the body to pull off? Or do cold viruses stimulate the sex organs? It's bizarre....
Any ideas?    [] []  []

[martin88]

Martin, which category do you put Levitra in? That's been a powerful remedy for at least two people here, myself included.

Category one since it doesn't push you to be sexually abstinent. I have no doubt that Levitra is powerful and effective for you. But you say it's only a 50-75% cure.
Avoiding orgasm promotes well being, and prevents you to have pois. But can we really say it's a cure for pois (since our disease is post-orgasmic!)

Martin, I am seeing the university endocrinologist as an individual patient (anyone can go). Not as part of any research study. But it might also be a good way to find out if there is a possibility for them to do POIS research eventually.

I understand that you'll probably have to find the boss there to ask how to initiate a research! Obviously anything we can try to be able to start something will be very welcome.

[CertainlyPOIS]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990617072302.htm
The track we are following with cortisol seems like a very plausible path because this articles supports high cortisol level for short period affects memory functions.

[CertainlyPOIS]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080311182434.htm
another article on short term stress and how it affects memory.
And I guess everybody knows cortisol affects REM sleep.

[Andreas_F]

Hi Guys.

Just wanted to let you know that as part of a mass building phase I went through I incorporated a highly rated (amongst body builders mostly) package of various vitamins, minerals and herbs, aminos etc. (Please see attached list with dosages below).  The product's name is "Animal Pak" <- Correct spelling!  manufactured by Universal Nutrition.

 I took the product for about 4 months straight and the physical symptoms although still there were slightly less pronounced. Of course this could equally be attributed to the increased level of physical activity ( including a lot of weight lifting ) but that's not my point.  My point is that there was absolutely no noticeable improvement in any of the cognitive or emotional symptoms of POIS.
The one disappointment for me looking back is that Phosphatidylcholine is pouted as a pretty good cortisol inhibitor in gym circles and if this is true then either I need a more aggressive cortisol inhibitor or cortisol is not the primary cause of my symptoms.  Of course before anyone says it I need to actually get my levels checked before and during supplementation and I plan to in December when I go back into a mass building phase.

Anyway I hope it helps with the statistical side of the arguments here at least.

Regards

***************************************************************************************   

Ingredient Amount Per Serving   % DV


Calories   16   
Total Carbohydrates   1g   <1%*
Protein   3g   6%*
Vitamin A(as Acetate & 66% As ß-Carotene)   9900IU   198%
Vitamin C(as Ascorbic Acid)   1g   1,667%
Vitamin D(as Ergocalciferol)   680IU   170%
Vitamin E(as D-A-Tocopheryl Acetate)   300IU   1,000%
Thiamin(as Thiamin HCL)   76mg   5,067%
Riboflavin   76mg   4,471%
Niacin(as Niacinamide)   82mg   410%
Vitamin B6(as Pyridoxine HCL)   72mg   3,600%
Folic Acid   400mcg   100%
Vitamin B12(as Cyanocobalamin)   6mcg   100%
Biotin   300mcg   100%
Pantothenic Acid(as Calcium Pantothenate)   76mg   760%
Calcium(as Citrate, Carbonate)   2g   0%
Phosphorus(as Calcium Phosphate)   228mg   23%
Iodine(from Kelp)   150mcg   100%
Magnesium(as Oxide)   133mg   33%
Zinc(as Oxide)   30mg   200%
Selenium(as Selenite)   50mcg   71%
Copper(as Sulfate)   600mcg   30%
Manganese(as Sulfate)   11mcg   550%
Chromium(as Picolinate)   6mcg   5%
Potassium(as Sulfate)   200mg   6%
Amino Acid Blend   
Lysine(from Lactalbumin)   300mg   **
Methionine(from Lactalbumin)   500mg   **
Leucine(from Lactalbumin)   100mg   **
Valine(from Lactalbumin)   760mg   **
Threonine(from Lactalbumin)   48mg   **
Glutamic Acid(from Lactalbumin)   700mg   **
Phenylalanine(from Lactalbumin)   560mg   **
Arginine(as L-Arginine)   2g   **
Performance Optimizers   
Siberian Ginseng(Root)   2g   **
Oriental Ginseng(Root)   250mg   **
Smilax Officinalis(Root)   500mg   **
Protogen A(Thioctic Acid)   200mcg   **
Inosine(Hypoxanthine Riboside)   500mg   **
Pyridoxine-A-Ketoglutarate   200mg   **
Carnitine(as L-Carnitine)   25mg   **
Chromium Picolinate†   50mcg   **
Coenzyme A   20mg   **
Coenzyme B12   10mg   **
Phosphatidylcholine   200mg   **
Para-Aminobenzoic Acid(PABA)   400mg   **
Colostrum(Bovine)   25mg   **
Argentine Liver(Bovine)   3.9g   **
Shark Cartilage   1g   **
Choline Complex   1.2g   **
Bioflavonoids(Citrus)   1g   **
Essential Fatty Acid Complex   
Linoleic Acid   200mg   **
Oleic Acid   100mg   **
Digestive Enzymes   
Betaine HCL   200mg   **
Pepsin   64mg   **
Papain   64mg   **
Pancreatin   700mg   **
Mycozyme   64mg   **
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
** Daily Value not established
Other Ingredients
Maltodextrin, Calcium Sulfate, Choline Citrate, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid, Parsley, Goldenseal, Don Quai, Burdock, Alfalfa, Water Cress, Rice Bran, Cellulose, Rose Hips

[hurray]

Hi, haven't posted for a bit due to not having internet access.

The fenugreek supplements are still working very well - I am taking 3 capsules of Solgar fenugreek before and after orgasm, as well as having a protein-heavy meal shortly after. On a couple of occasions the POIS symptoms have hardly happened at all, on a couple more they have been very substantially reduced (70%). On one occasion when I left out the protein meal and did not take fenugreek after the event, the POIS effects were only partly alleviated.

So it is still very successful for me!

[demografx]

...I have no doubt that Levitra is powerful and effective for you. But you say it's only a 50-75% cure.

Martin, if I took 20 mg (I take 10mg now) I suspect it would be a 100% POIS cure. It's risky but I might do it. Do you (or anyone else) have an opinion about that?

[demografx]

So it [Fenugreek] is still very successful for me!

Hurray, this is very exciting news! Congratulations!

[demografx]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990617072302.htm
The track we are following with cortisol seems like a very plausible path because this articles supports high cortisol level for short period affects memory functions.

Fascinating, CC! Even without POIS (created after 30+ years of POIS?)I have the attention span of a hamster in heat. []

[demografx]

I understand that you'll probably have to find the [university endocrinology] boss there to ask how to initiate a research! Obviously anything we can try to be able to start something will be very welcome.

I think winning over the endocrinologist I'm working with might be more beneficial. They all have stellar reputations and can "fight" for a particular project/grant, etc. I'm taking it a step at a time. First step is to see what they can do for me as a POIS patient!

[Limejuice]

...I have no doubt that Levitra is powerful and effective for you. But you say it's only a 50-75% cure.

Martin, if I took 20 mg (I take 10mg now) I suspect it would be a 100% POIS cure. It's risky but I might do it. Do you (or anyone else) have an opinion about that?

Demo you know the manufactured doses are 2.5 mg, 5 mg, 10 mg, and 20 mg of vardenafil.  Are you experiencing negative side-effects at 10mg?  How risky would trying 20 mg once, be?  The latter question might be best suited for a doctor but you've done the research I'm sure.  What are your thoughts?

[Limejuice]

Hi, haven't posted for a bit due to not having internet access.

The fenugreek supplements are still working very well - I am taking 3 capsules of Solgar fenugreek before and after orgasm, as well as having a protein-heavy meal shortly after. On a couple of occasions the POIS symptoms have hardly happened at all, on a couple more they have been very substantially reduced (70%). On one occasion when I left out the protein meal and did not take fenugreek after the event, the POIS effects were only partly alleviated.

So it is still very successful for me!

Fenugreek has still been successful for me too, and that's what I use (not relora).  The dose schedule is two pills before release and one after.  An approximate reduction in symptoms is around 90%.

[girlwind]

I understand that you'll probably have to find the [university endocrinology] boss there to ask how to initiate a research! Obviously anything we can try to be able to start something will be very welcome.

I think winning over the endocrinologist I'm working with might be more beneficial. They all have stellar reputations and can "fight" for a particular project/grant, etc. I'm taking it a step at a time. First step is to see what they can do for me as a POIS patient!

"Winning over an endrocrinologist" is not going to be a piece of cake. The two main issues endocrinologists deal with
are diabetes and thyroid problems. Many of them focus almost exclusively on diabetes, because there are more medicines to
play with, so it attracts more interest, and of course more money. And as far as the thyroid issue goes, most endocrinologists
are VERY CONSERVATIVE and ENTRENCHED in strong opinions about thyroid tests and treatments.

"Endocrinologists are the accountants of medicine," writes Mary Shomon. "They love numbers and many are more
comfortable reading lab charts and numbers off blood test results than interacting with patients or engaging in creative
problem-solving.

So be fore-warned! AND definitely be prepared!

[tarkington]

I was reading when I remembered an interesting event.  I had noticed many months ago that when I was free of all POIS symptoms I would fall asleep or drift off often while reading a certain book.  But the three days after masturbation I noticed I could not fall asleep or even come close to drifting off while reading the same book.

Perhaps cortisol has an important function in sleep. As I mentioned before, I had insomnia the nights following orgasm.  And others have mentioned that Relora has actually caused insomnia.  So I definitely see a connection between sleep and cortisol and orgasm.

[girlwind]

Perhaps cortisol has an important function in sleep. As I mentioned before, I had insomnia the nights following orgasm.  And others have
mentioned that Relora has actually caused insomnia.  So I definitely see a connection between sleep and cortisol and orgasm.

There is definitely a connection between adrenal health and insomnia. Check out the article below.

http://www.nutritionalmedicine.org.uk/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/franklin?opendocument&part=6

[Limejuice]

I've ran several google searchs and couldn't find symptoms for low prolactin.  Does anyone know what these symptoms are?