[Counterpoints]

I didn't notice any improvement with salt.  I used iodized salt.. but that should do something, if hyponatremia is the primary suspect.

[demografx]

OXYTOCIN FOR SHYNESS?

I originally posted above (MessageID: 210632) this Psychology Today article along with my warning note. Since that might have created confusion, I thought I would re-post it here.

I think Girlwind also posted about this "cure" for shyness interest.

"The Oxytocin Cure," recent Psychology Today blog:
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-moral-molecule/200811/the-oxytocin-cure

Whether oxytocin is used for POIS...or for shyness...I suggest the same extreme caution!

[demografx]

COUNTERPOINTS

I don't think Counterpoints and his team, including Martin and Reuniting have been congratulated enough for their great efforts in the creation of the online POIS questionnaire system.

http://pois.olympe-network.com/

Besides being a great efficient organizer of the huge amount of POIS data on this site, this allows all participants to share POIS details and similarities/differences in symptoms and treatments.

Another great benefit is that it shows the outside world that, along with B_Jim's data, we have enough sophistication in data collection and reporting to make it a manageable effort to study us. Otherwise it could be a researcher's nightmare to sift through 100+ pages, 150 posters, 2,200+ posts.........and 5 billion theories [].

[hurray]

Very interesting articles about oxytocin, Demografx, thanks for posting them!

[Counterpoints]

Thanks Demografx.  I am impressed by everyone in this thread! We are all making good progress: there is so much useful information available here. And your moderation is extremely valuable.

[Guthrie]

Hi all,

I have some good news to report!  I had been taking fenugreek for the past week, and then last night I took three fenugreek caspules (Solgar brand) about 1.5 hours before a release.  Today, I felt much better than I normally do.  My brain fog was mostly gone.  I still felt a little tired and somewhat 'strange' at certain points, but my overall attitude and feelings were much improved.  I felt pretty good throughout the whole day. 

I didn't take any fenugreek after the release last night or during the day today, so the improvement seems to be solely from taking the capsules beforehand.  Perhaps next time I'll try taking one after the release, or during the course of the day after.  I also hope to experiment with other variations (e.g. taking two capsules instead of three, or taking them 3 or 4 hours before the release).  Hopefully, the improvement that I experienced today will continue to reproduce itself!

[demografx]

Guthrie, congratulations!

Your posting this I have no doubt will impart much hope to many of us.

Looking forward to the next Guthrie Installment!

[girlwind]

What is the effect of Relora and fenugreek on cortisol ?
Increase , decrease , regulation ?

According to the literature Relora is cortisol lowering. I don't know about Fenugreek.

[davep007]

I believe I have suffered from POIS most of my life, when I was younger I would sleep up to 16 hours the next day after. Today I am 41 and I notice that the next day I need at least 10 to 12 hours and I am still exhausted instead of my normal 7 or 8. I too have hypothyroidism as I have seen in other postings. I recently saw a connection between a sudden attack of impotence and the armour thyroid and stopped it on my own to find out if it helped. I was pleased to say it did help a bunch. Last night my wife and I enjoyed ourselves and today I woke up at 11:00 am. 12 hours is mandatory the next sleep. When I was a teen it was up to 16 hours. In my 20's I would save it all for Sunday and then sleep the whole day because the career would not allow for the extra sleep. I have bags under my eyes like some one hit in me in both eyes, I find a direct connection between my fatigue and the "BIG O". I have been doing chelation for mercury poisoning and I think that it has helped my overall fatigue. I think that the mercury poisoning and the POIS combined is what really made me feel the huge fatigue. The chelation is reducing the fatigue from the mercury poisoning and the POIS is still there. I have never talked to a physician about POIS but I am sure after reading about it that I have it. I am going to experiment more with it, but I already knew it was happening because if I had something important to do the next day I would turn down the opportunity, something I really have a hard time doing. The desire is always high even for the last several months when I was shooting pool with a rope.

When I was in my 20's I had something that really messed me up with my spleen becoming enlarged and my liver too. It left me with a stone in the liver of 11mm in size. It took me nearly 20 years to get almost normal. For this reason I am some what in favor of thinking this whole POIS can be an autoimmune response. Any other complaints of spleen omegila with the POIS. I also had a gallbladder that stopped working for no apparent reason, no stones just up and stopped contracting.

 

[girlwind]

I too have hypothyroidism as I have seen in other postings. I recently saw a connection between a sudden attack of
impotence and the armour thyroid and stopped it on my own to find out if it helped. I was pleased to say it did help
a bunch.

I'm probably the person who posted about having a hypothyroid issue.  Am I clear in understanding that Armour
thyroid was problematic for you and gave you impotence?  I have never heard this.  Usually Armour is the better
tolerated than the synthetic thyroid med. I'm currently looking into balancing all my hormones and want to know
more about your experiences with that.

[davep007]

I was on the Synthroid for a couple of years and then a doctor I was seeing for Chelation for mercury poisoning changed me to Armour thyroid because I told him I could not stay awake in the afternoons and we split the dosage to a morning and afternoon dosage. I was not myself when starting the Synthroid 2 years ago and I was definitely not impressed on the armour. I have been off of it all for two months or 6 weeks and last night I won the gold with the wife. I am starting to get my fatigue figured out between the mercury poisoning/chelation and possibly POIS I may have my finger on it. I think the histamines may be the problem. I am going to look into them carefully. I currently am prescription free and fully intend to stay that way. It seems there are always tradeoffs with all the prescriptions. I personally did not like the trade. I prefer to not use a rope when shooting pool.

[demografx]

davep007, welcome to The POIS Forum!

Filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video. A first!

Looking forward to more of your posts!

[martin88]

I don't think Counterpoints and his team, including Martin and Reuniting have been congratulated enough for their great efforts in the creation of the online POIS questionnaire system.

Thanks Demo and the other! I agree since a long time that B_Jim is doing a wonderful synthesis work.

CELTIC SEA SALT

Have there been any more improvements with this salt?

I didn't try this salt, but when I was about 24 I was using salt with mild success (it was salt with sodium iodide not potassium iodide). I stopped this because if it was helping a bit with fatigue it made me feel impulsive and less peaceful/joy mentally. (Also I was not feeling safe about kidneys problems, dehydration... although perhaps more salt can make you drink more water to fight dehydration, maybe it depends the dose.)
When I'm sexually abstinent for a long time I must absolutely stop salt otherwise I'm angry in the day and I'm not sleeping well in the night(I move a lot). Stopping salt is very efficient in this case for me.

In chinese medicine sodium is considered yang (male energy), while potassium is considered yin. Also they say too much yin causes fatigue.

In homeopathy potassium is considered to cause post-coital exhaustion. As I said before, I have had very bad experiences with some homeopathic remedies (not all however) and I can't recommend them here, specially for nervous people.

[demografx]

I took a blood test one week after release, POIS-free. My endocrinologist comments on my hormone test results:

"Your testosterone concentration is low and prolactin is high. If I cannot explain it by the medications/supplements you were taking I'll want to schedule an MRI of your pituitary gland."

[demografx]

What is the effect of Relora and fenugreek on cortisol ?
Increase , decrease , regulation ?

According to the literature Relora is cortisol lowering. I don't know about Fenugreek.

I couldn't find anything on Fenugreek and cortisol.

[demografx]

...It would seem that my POIS was both psychological and physical in nature...Also, I really like my partner a lot which means the oxytocin is probably surging. I still believe oxytocin (LOVE) is a major component in helping to alleviate symptoms of POIS...

At one time, I gave up on the non-physical possibility of POIS. But Chewbacca's post makes me re-think it.

Does anyone else have a thought to share about this?

[Guthrie]

...It would seem that my POIS was both psychological and physical in nature...Also, I really like my partner a lot which means the oxytocin is probably surging. I still believe oxytocin (LOVE) is a major component in helping to alleviate symptoms of POIS...

At one time, I gave up on the non-physical possibility of POIS. But Chewbacca's post makes me re-think it.

Does anyone else have a thought to share about this?

Well, it seems to me that Chewbacca's experience doesn't necessarily point to a 'psychological' (meaning non-physical) source of POIS, since the 'love' hormones released at the beginning of a relationship can certainly be described as physical.  Sure, it is possible that there could also be psychological factors, but Chewbacca's example doesn't automatically call for such an explanation.

[demografx]

Thanks, Guthrie, I appreciate the clarification.

For my concern to be true, Chewbacca's "LOVE" would have only a minor association with oxytocin,and perhaps 1-2 other known chemicals and the remainder of the love-equation would be "untreatable"...except to fall in love! []

[Counterpoints]

...It would seem that my POIS was both psychological and physical in nature...Also, I really like my partner a lot which means the oxytocin is probably surging. I still believe oxytocin (LOVE) is a major component in helping to alleviate symptoms of POIS...

At one time, I gave up on the non-physical possibility of POIS. But Chewbacca's post makes me re-think it.

Does anyone else have a thought to share about this?

Well, it seems to me that Chewbacca's experience doesn't necessarily point to a 'psychological' (meaning non-physical) source of POIS, since the 'love' hormones released at the beginning of a relationship can certainly be described as physical.  Sure, it is possible that there could also be psychological factors, but Chewbacca's example doesn't automatically call for such an explanation.

Those who have filled out the questionnaire will be able to see Chewbacca's response, two weeks ago.  He had recently tried other supplements, which he claimed were helping.  These may have had just as large a part in his recovery, as his new love interest.  If he reads this, maybe he can comment?

[Counterpoints]

What is the effect of Relora and fenugreek on cortisol ?
Increase , decrease , regulation ?

I read a claim that (amongst doing other things!) Relora reduces cortisol by 37%