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Demo---RE: CAFFEINEI submit that it is really diffcult to say whether one has totally rid his/her diet of caffeine and sugar. The sugar issue is real complex (see last post). Caffeine is easier. I generally avoid caffeine scrupulously, but I can be seen at the coffee shop with decafe and a chocolate chip cookie. But very rarely, I think.
Quote from: digitalmac on 12/09/2008 14:38:21For those saying that it's a physiological issue, I say that it most certainly is not. digitalmac, please tell us what your non-physiological take on POIS is! (I asked you this before, on September 12, right after you posted the statement above, but never received a reply).Thank you.
For those saying that it's a physiological issue, I say that it most certainly is not.
I've had success with taking Fenugreek after seeing it recommended here. Normally my recovery period is 4-5 days. But taking Fenugreek an hour before orgasm cuts that time in half. Taking it *after* orgasm doesn't seem to have any effect.
Could you please go into detail about "cutting out sugar": sugar additives; sugar contained in sweets, pastries, cookies; certain fruits; sodas etc? Thanks
digitalmac, please tell us what your non-physiological take on POIS is!
Digitalmac--could you tell us how many fenugreek capsules you take one hour before orgasm, and what brand you are using?
Demografx, perhaps digitalmac meant "it is not psychological" instead of "it is not physiological"--
In my opinion, POIS symptoms are caused by the depletion of the adrenal glands. After a prolonged state of "caffeinism", your body enters a state of adrenal exhaustion. From there, your body is in a constant "fight-or-flight" mode trying to recover. When you have an orgasm, it adds to the existing stress your body is already under. The relapse period is how long it takes to get back the "baseline" of adrenal exhaustion.
By the way, has anyone ever pondered the question of whether Pois might eventually have lethal consequences? Sometimes when I'm in Pois mode, I just feel so awful, and I wonder how long my body can put up with this kind of feeling. It's like I'm under a year's worth of stress. I know that some people on this board have suffered from the effects of the Pois curse for a very long time - shouldn't there be some kind of long-term effect on our health if you have to go through this kind of stress for a long time? Like when you actually grow weaker - for good - from certain other kinds of disease?Also, I sometimes experience some very disturbing problems with my heart when I'm under Pois - it usually starts with my heart "skipping a beat", and a higher pulse. After that I sometimes get slight pains in my left arm for maybe an evening or so. These symptoms usually leave together with the rest of the Pois symptoms. Also, I've had my heart checked several times because of this, even when under Pois - but the doctors didn't find anything alarming.
... maybe your psychiatrist would add "... if the adrenal glands are ok !"
I like Martin's idea, a general guide for forum decorum.
Quote from: B_Jim on 25/01/2009 19:46:55... maybe your psychiatrist would add "... if the adrenal glands are ok !" B_Jim, is there a way to test for adrenal glands' health?
The cortisol tests can show to a certain extent what level the adrenals are functioning at. You can do either spit, blood or urine tests.
good job everyone for following up on Jane Ashby,she might be a big clue.Demografx nice letter short and to the point.
Quote from: CCconfucius on 26/01/2009 02:14:52good job everyone for following up on Jane Ashby,she might be a big clue.Demografx nice letter short and to the point. Thanks, CCconfucius. Only problem is that we might have written to the wrong Jane Ashby. This one is a psychologist but has no "sex" at all in her CV. I emailed the Program Chair, hopefully he'll clarify. My email was sent to a Jane Ashby at U of Mass., if anyone can confirm/deny that she is the April speaker.
message from pois sufferer who fixed problem sounds eerily similar to Demografx situationI had the following through blood, urine and saliva test results:Low morning, afternoon Cortisol+low Dhea = Adrenal fatigueTreatment : Medrol/Hydrocortisone & Dhea cream/SublinguallyLow Cortisol levels/adrenal fatigue usually indicates Thyroid problemsFree T3 : below mid rangeTreatment : ArmourLow testosterone levelsTreatments :1st: Testosterone replacement (Bad approach)2nd: Testosterone natural boosting supplements (Negative)3rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)High prolactin levelsCabaser/Cabergoline/Dostinex at dose of 1-2mg E2d lowered Prolactin towithin the lower 1/4 range. High prolactin levels means lower testosterone levels.By reducingones high prolactin levels it will naturally increase testosterone levels.My advice would be to have your 4x saliva cortisol levels, dhea, total test+free/bio test,prolactin, Estradiol(E2), SHBG & FSH+LH levels checked either through your local gp/dr or through an independant lab like ZRT, Quest etcI also reimbalanced my neurotransmitter levels and this helped with the anxiety and overall nervousness feeling after an orgasm.Both my serotonin and gaba levels were below the level range.This is how I cured my POIS and it most likely will not work for everyone but at least you can ask your Dr for a hormone check up and request the hormones above to be checked. If doc asks you why then you can either lie or tell him/her the truth about POIS
I will see if the researcher has a way to contact jane ashby.
Demograpfx and was wondering did you take your test during POIS or out of Pois.
deloun--My "theoretical inclinations" with respect to POIS somehwat parallel what you have indicated in your last post i.e. neurotransmitter imbalance/s. However, to reinforce my inclinations (and I repeat these are just inclinations), would you be so kind as to list your symptoms from major to minor. The reason I ask this is due the fact that there is a clear spectrum of symptoms that have been identified in this forum. I have more of an amped up, anxiety response (with moderate fatigue)with insomnia, somewhat different than the majority of sufferers. With respect to POIS, based upon the totality of responses in this forum, it wouldn't surprise me if there were needed many different therapies and strategies depending on the symptoms. In fact, there are different approaches being taken by different memebers now. Also, some members have other underlying medical conditions which may complicate their POIS.
Girlwind thank you for highlighting that post and when you took your hormone test were they during POIS or out of it.
GW, what did you think of the article I posted that suggests a relationship between prolactin and CFS?
NE, day 1: I am somewhat affected (with POIS) this time, as opposed to my previous NE episodes. What is different? I recently temporarily changed up my diet, giving up "goiterogenic" foods that I routinely eat: soy and broccoli. This could be relevant...but, soy is also high in choline....I just realized that fenugreek has choline in it. I am wondering, has anyone tried choline as a supplement?
3rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)
I wasn't able to open it. Can you copy and paste it into email and send me a PM of it?
message from pois sufferer who fixed problem sounds eerily similar to Demografx situation
Congratulations to anonymous sufferer. I'm happy when some of us improve his condition. But i'm worried because there are so many meds in this treatment.Don't forget :- A bloodtest must prove the deficiency is real.- [medical professional cooperation] Only serious doctor take the decision to use these supplements. - Adrenals should be cured before thryoid. - Young Pois sufferers (under 30 years old) really should try natural therapy before hormones therapy. (diet ) . Young sufferers have a chance to self-restore their bodies. Sometime the organ is not ill but only tired by a bad lifestyle (diet, stress,...) Even if Pois may justify Dhea supplmenetation it shouldn't be taken under 35 years old. - Hormones therapy side-effect : When you use hormones the organ becomes "lazy" and stop to make his job. Remember the experience i posted with corticoids spray for allergic rhinitis. I prefer Agjchs approach : he takes only 12mg Dhea after orgasm. Not every day.But of course, some of us have a severe condition and Pois appears as a consequence of this.
Quote from: CCconfucius on 26/01/2009 02:32:183rd: Hcg+Hmg+Toco-8 plus increase of protein and less carbs, more red meat, fish and lots of cruciferous vegetables ie broccoli (Successful)at the risk of sounding ignorant what are Hcg, Hmg, and Toco 8?
deloun---Thanks for your response. Tension, Nervousness (anxiety), Depression, Insomnia are also some of my main symptoms during POIS; different I think from the dominant symptoms of Extreme, Debilitating Fatigue and Major Inability to Focus/Concentrate. My anxiety disorder (when I have an active episode) creates the same symptoms as POIS, but it is never defined in a 3-4 day time frame as is POIS. Since my symptoms are the same, when I rid myself of "anxiety disorder" this time around (whenever the hell that is), I hope that my strategies can be applied to POIS. If my neurotransmitter focus fails, then I will have to refocus with more attention probably paid to hormones. I'm very reticent to discuss specific experiments, because I don't think it's beneficial unless I can say with confidence that something helps me. In general, I'm experimenting with vitamins, minerals, amino acids, plant extracts, body hydration, exercise, breathing, and topical creams.
would toco-8 be tocopherol aka vitamin E ?
Other things that I've noticed that have helped reducing the POIS symptoms are taking a shower while alternating with very hot and very cold water and going to the sauna, including cooling down with each round in a cold water bath or cold shower.Are there others that have noticed that this has helped a bit with their symptoms?Taking the shower with alternating hot and cold water can easily be tried at home, maybe it's worth a try and I would be curious if others notice a positive effect too. So if you decide to try it out, would you be so kind to let it know? Maybe it can tell something useful about POIS. One of the things that seem to occur as a consequence of the hot and cold stress to the body are the increase of blood flow and energy to organs and the increase of dopamine and noradrenaline available in the brain.