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Neverstop, did you feel POIS-alleviating benefits with L-Tyrosine? If so, was there any symptoms in particular that were alleviated? And how long did you take Tyrosine before you noticed its effect?
Counterpoints, my endo was critiquing Michael's post about salivary testing mostly for testosterone, prolactin. Do you agree with that critique? Or do you think saliva tests could work for many hormones?
Quote from: demografx on 05/03/2009 02:23:28Counterpoints, my endo was critiquing Michael's post about salivary testing mostly for testosterone, prolactin. Do you agree with that critique? Or do you think saliva tests could work for many hormones?I'm not sure. I was just repeating something an endocrinologist said about salviary cortisol tests.
Quote from: Counterpoints on 05/03/2009 02:49:06Quote from: demografx on 05/03/2009 02:23:28Counterpoints, my endo was critiquing Michael's post about salivary testing mostly for testosterone, prolactin. Do you agree with that critique? Or do you think saliva tests could work for many hormones?I'm not sure. I was just repeating something an endocrinologist said about salviary cortisol tests.Counterpoints, thanks to you, I insisted on at least an AM cortisol test with my endo, which I took 2 days ago.
I hope you get some useful information from this [cortisol] test. Good luck.
Quote from: Ambient123 on 04/03/2009 11:23:27But hasn't the SSRI theory already been dismissed as being largely ineffective?Not completely. B_Jim, Counterpoints, Martin, Underwater, John21, anyone else: do you agree?
But hasn't the SSRI theory already been dismissed as being largely ineffective?
Quote from: martin88 on 02/03/2009 00:47:34Do you think testosterone alone, without Levitra, can cure pois ?On two recent occasions, I took Levitra several hours afterwards. My guess is that testosterone accounts for 70% to 80% of the healing, for me.
Do you think testosterone alone, without Levitra, can cure pois ?
Thanks Demo for your experiment to cut Levitra. 80% cure with testosterone only is a very good result, but I agree it's very subjective. And you didn't test the day 2 peak of pois by taking Levitra hours afterwards. You're perhaps one of the first persons in the history who takes an ED drug not before sex ! I hope it was useful for something.
Neverstop, welcome to the forum! I've been experimenting with testosterone for 7 years and I'm a convert now (along with Levitra), so your comment about testosterone cream got my attention. Can you elaborate?
Neverstop, i have Tyrosine supplements (500mg) in my house. However, when i read the daily intake, it said only take one capsule per day. Did yours also say this?Also, how quick were your symptoms alleviated?Did you notice any side effects?
Quote from: demografx on 05/03/2009 02:47:46Neverstop, welcome to the forum! I've been experimenting with testosterone for 7 years and I'm a convert now (along with Levitra), so your comment about testosterone cream got my attention. Can you elaborate? Thanks, before addressing the Testosterone, I'd like to mention that the FIRST thing I ever tried (not necessarily for POIS) which proved itself to have any long term benefit was when I first took 100mg a day of DHEA.
I'm day 2 today (25 hours later) .Dispite my post-orgasm supplements (vitamin C + B, bromelain), I have flu-like symptoms (sweats, feverish...). Sunday I ate a lot of high carbs (Family Banquet) : ice cream, pastas, pizzas, cakes, satured fats... I don't say my vitamins and enzyme is useless but the high carbs have a strong and quick negative effect to compare to supplements. I had clear muscle tremors yesterday. My urinary pH is too acid (5 to 6).
I wonder what is different (aside from duration of action) between Cialis and Levitra? I used a 20mg and did have a headache (which I seldom get) and a flushed feeling but no increased POIS symptoms as you experienced.
PhosphatidylserineScientific study : QuoteEffects of phosphatidylserine on the neuroendocrine response to physical stress in humansThe data indicate that physical stress induced a clear-cut increase in plasma epinephrine, norepinephrine, ACTH, cotisol, GH and prolactin, whereas no significant change was observed in plasma dopamine and glucose. Pretreatment with brain cortex-derived phosphatidylserine significantly blunted the ACTH and cortisol responses to physical stress.Naturopaths/nutritionists think :- Phosphatidylserine can modulate release of cortisol and ACTH - Phosphatidylserine blocks the excessive response of adrenals to a stress - "repair" HPA axis- The treatment must be prolonged at least 3 months (?)
Effects of phosphatidylserine on the neuroendocrine response to physical stress in humansThe data indicate that physical stress induced a clear-cut increase in plasma epinephrine, norepinephrine, ACTH, cotisol, GH and prolactin, whereas no significant change was observed in plasma dopamine and glucose. Pretreatment with brain cortex-derived phosphatidylserine significantly blunted the ACTH and cortisol responses to physical stress.
Quote from: neverstop on 05/03/2009 20:52:36I wonder what is different (aside from duration of action) between Cialis and Levitra? I used a 20mg and did have a headache (which I seldom get) and a flushed feeling but no increased POIS symptoms as you experienced.To clarify, Cialis did not increase my POIS symptoms. It just didn't work at all. So the letdown felt devastating, emotionally. Failed experiment.Also, at the time I didn't realize the importance of testosterone, which I was taking erratically via depotestosterone injection, which as you know "spikes". so I might have simply been on the other side of "spike". Last year I mistakenly attributed all my POIS success (and failure) to Levitra. And then I stopped testosterone altogether, not realizing it was a major contributor to my POIS healing!Amazing how something so simple became so complicated! Similar to Hurray's experimentation with Fenugreek and DHEA.
What kinds of allergic reactions can people have to semen?People can have localized problems after immediate contact with semen. They can have burning, pain and swelling that can occur for long periods of time. Typically it affects the outer vaginal vault area, though it can also affect the inner vault. Some women describe severe burning and pain, where it feels like 1,000 needles have been injected in them at one time.
What in semen are people allergic to?People are allergic to proteins in semen. We don't really know which proteins are responsible at this point. Many of the proteins associated with the semen allergy are believed to be common proteins found in all semen, but it's also possible for people to be allergic to a protein that is unique to an individual.The systemic reaction is believed to be linked to a specific IgE antibody that is triggered by the protein; this antibody response is similar to what occurs in people who have seasonal allergies. There are probably multiple causes of the localized reaction. A delayed type of hypersensitivity response similar to what occurs with poison ivy may be involved.
A case of an anaphylactic type of allergy is reported with pruritus, mucosal edema, asthma and shock symptoms which developed in a 26 year old female against her husbands sperma fluid. Symptoms and test results are compared with those of six other published cases. Results of skin tests obtained with a fraction of sperma plasma separated by chromatography are indicating that the antigen is of protein nature with a molecular weight of about 14.100. A molecular weight between 12.400 and 24.00 has also been reported in the literature.
I'm not sure if this has been brought up already, but there seems to be a very small group of women who react allergically to semen. But the question is: Can the male body regard something that is produced by itself as hostile or unknown, thus leading to some sort of anaphylactic shock? Or to put it short - can a man be allergic to his own sperm?
I FINALLY FOUND A THREAD ADDRESSING [POIS].
I wish my symptoms were similar to the vast majority of POIS sufferers.Mine is like a slow panic attack with tingles, sweats, depression and a general amped up feeling. I keep this anxious, tense condition for about 4 days. I don't get this severe exhaustion and cognitive impairment. Yet like everyone else, I don't like to socialize at all during this period. During my POIS, I have to avoid arousal or I get worse. There is a bit of madness to mine. As a consequence of my symptoms, I am still pursuing the auto-allergic side of things. Another term for me might be a hyperstimulatory response to orgasm and arousal. Something (some chemical/s) stay in my system and don't let me relax!!!!! Mine is almost opposite of everyone's main symptoms.
[My POIS] is almost opposite of everyone's main symptoms.
I think the result of all this collective research is a "portfolio" of everything that's been learned, that we can submit to research clinics and medical universities around the country, on hopes that some clinic or some aspiring student would find interest in a study to learn more about POIS. one place i would send such a "portfolio"http://my.clevelandclinic.org/endocrinology/research/default.aspxin my city we have one of the top medical universities in the nation. i would also send it there.
Why is all this information in a forum thread? Why doesn't POIS have its own website already? A place where we have all the information gathered and digital copies saved to the server, with links to where it all came from, with each person's experiences listed, something a bit more organized so if we are trying to get medical professionals to do research at the very least we can point them to the website.
Thanks. I havent really shared yet =)
-i've been looking for information on this MY WHOLE LIFE.-what the op describes in his first post i've experienced my whole life as well. -okay so $20,000 of brain MRI and EKG found nothing. -I havent gone as far as an endo makeup, though I should in the near future. -I cannot function at WORK for a few days after a climax of any kind. -try telling your wife or girlfriend that no, you really dont like sex cause it !@#$!#@ your head up in an utterly frightening way. -You want to know what it's like? Here, let me shoot you up with some nice tranquilizer that lasts for days and see how much fun you have.-what gets hit?memory recallconcentration and focusvocal communication-I have been abstinent most of my life because of it. -it would be great to please a girlfriend al naturale without having to suffer like this.-Man I cant wait to read this entire thread. Im saving it and I'm shoving it in my doctor and neurologists face.
I am experimenting with Quercetin. I have had bad allergic reactions to all my herbal and amino acid supplements. It's very distressing.
I've created an account on wikipedia and am working on getting it "autoconfirmed" so I can edit locked pages like "orgasm" to include reference to POIS.I've also created a wikipedia entry for POIS here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Orgasmic_Illness_SyndromeI copied almost verbatim the script from the Youtube video to start off with. It would be a great help for everyone who has done work on this to help contribute and really flush out the page with as much information and references as we can, such as creating ref links to ALL the articles that any of you may think are related to POIS or could have any information helpful to the cause. Better than a portfolio, a link to a complete wikipedia entry could be emailed around the globe with ease. I have a backup maintained at home of the page, and will make continual backups as people edit it.