[hk1979]

or what is the consequences of having TOO MUCH ORGASMS over a spread of 20 years?...

[demografx]

B_Jim, an Oriental acupuncturist/herbal medicine practitioner years ago - when I trusted her, then told her about my POIS - was _convinced_ that my POIS was because I had (too) small adrenal glands.

[demografx]

Yes I am the owner..  just kidding...

I'm not sure if you're kidding about commercialism or not, but one serious point I have: the pharmaceutical giants have no interest in anything this small of a population. My guess is that POIS suffering is limited to a tiny, tiny percentage. Big Pharma only makes money on problems affecting large segments of the population.

[pyropeach]

Just out of curiosity, how many of us are there on this forum with POIS?

B_Jim, an Oriental acupuncturist/herbal medicine practitioner years ago - when I trusted her, then told her about my POIS - was _convinced_ that my POIS was because I had (too) small adrenal glands.

The last doctor I saw also thought the problems were in the adrenals.  However, they found no abnormalities from blood and urine tests.  I used to use DHEA thinking it would help with adrenal fatigue, but it always quickly wore off probably because it was acting more as neuralsteroid, and only masking the symptoms.

[Bizzy]

It may be possible that the phenomenon is more universal, but that only certain people are more affected in such a direct, extreme manner. I have wondered if many common everyday mental disturbances such as depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, emotional disturbances etc were partially born of "sex abuse", the product of lust in adolescence.

Unmentionable, unrecognized... unsolvable. Unthinkable in today's world.

I think you make a valid point about "sex abuse", too much sex. I think it is true for some people and for people who mix sex with drugs such as cocaine. But I can remember feeling confused, depressed and depersonalized from my very first few orgasms, "sex abuse" had not taken place yet. So I know POIS is not exclusively tied to "sex abuse", its a lot more complex.
As for other mental conditions becomming worse after orgasm, im sure that happens for some people. Why that happens is not known. The condition or underlying mechanism has not been studied.

[demografx]

SUGAR

I must admit that I'm guilty of excessive sugar intake for most of my life. Wonder if that's why I have POIS?? If so, I wonder what connection Levitra has...

[solution]

Me too. I even used to prepare and enjoy a drink made only with water sugar and ice. Eating bread with butter and sugar I ve used to do so when younger.

[Bizzy]

Heres some science that I worked out that may help explain why too much sugar is bad for the mind.
High sugar makes your insulin levels go up, which makes your growth hormone levels go down. Lower growth hormone levels is bad news because it allows for relatively higher CRF levels within the hypothalamus. Higher CRF levels at the hypothalamus maybe the cause of some mental illness.

[demografx]

Well, when Levitra works it's 75% magic for my POIS, but I continue my excess with sugar (no, I'm not proud of it). I wonder if I quit sugar and continue with Levitra if it would be a 100% cure? But sugar is soooooooooooooooo hard for me to quit!!! I'll just wait for B_Jim's experiment! []

[Bizzy]

I love sugar, it makes me feel better. Every cell in your body, including your brain cells, need sugar to function normally. I just dont think low to moderate amount of sugar is bad for you. I dont think you will achieve anything from quitting sugar.

[demografx]

Bizzy, do you ever have a sugar crash? I do. But then again, I'm not exactly moderate with it!

[Bizzy]

What is a sugar crash ?. How do you get it and what does it feel like ?. Ive never heard of it.

[fiddlerpaul]

I think you're definitely close to something when you talk about adrenals, but I won't agree it's the whole picture.  I've been taking tyrosine for what its worth. 

I'd like to share my recent experiences.
Like many of us, I dread POIS so I avoid ejaculation.  This time around, I was more determined than ever to avoid it and I went almost 4 weeks without one...sort of.
What happened for me which had never happened before is that I just masturbated to 'the edge' and would then stop.  But what was interesting this time was that one time I went slightly past that point of no return but then with absolute focus, I stopped the orgasm just as it was starting, just leaking out a little semen and suffering no ill effects.  Had to make sure all contact with the penis was ceased at that moment (you knw how it is).  I had never done this before.   I then proceeded to experience the same thing twice more in the following week, leaking out just a little semen each time.  So I had developed a new skill.
But then of course, the pressure builds and one day you just want to come, damn it, and so I let myself start to come, but then decided, hey I'll try stopping it again because I'm not so sure about this, and lo and behold, I even managed to turn off the semen after a few good squirts.
Now the significance of this to you all and myself, is that after this particular episode, I had satisfied enough my need for release BUT to my amazement, no POIS!
It's like I can handle losing some semen, especially after a more lengthy period, with no effects.
Now I know this may be useless if you actually are with a woman (I am but my wife has lost interest in sex..we're 55) because it's hard to focus enough to turn it off if you're inside her and also if you use condoms they are stimulating by themselves on the penis head.
But for me this is progress and I'll take it.

[hk1979]

Hallo just to answer the question on sugar:

You get Glucose, Sucrose and Fructose.

Sugar as we know it, is purely Sucrose.

Our bodies convert them into Glucose and Fructose through some processes.
For some people sugar is very sensitive in the endocrine system, causing a chronic disease called Diabetes. Other people tends to get this "sugar crash", similar to POIS, after a "sugar rush". It is because sugar spikes the hormones, just like a drug, and you get high on energy for a short while, until you go down, which is called the crash (what goes up must come down).

Always remember the following:

Carbohydrate Energy Lifetime:
High GI carbohydrates like glucose (Glycemic Index) - Energy from 10-30 minutes.
Low GI carbohydrates like pasta and rice - Energy from 60 - 240 minutes
Protein - energy after 3 hours going on for more than a day.

Remember to mix in minerals, vitamins, fatty acids and water into your diet, as they work together with energy (protein and carbohydrates).

Like B_Jim said, always use 2:1 Carbohydrate:Protein ratio, as you will become fat otherwise.

Important Vitamins: C, B, E
Important Minerals: Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc, Iron.
Imortant Fatty Acids: Omega 3 and 6.

The amount/portion of protein you take in at one time frame of 3 hours, should not be more than a fist size, and remember to take in double the amount of carbohydrates at the same time (not more than double and not too much sugar!!!), because protein also needs quick energy to be digested properly, otherwise you get tired and sleepy.

AND... if you take carbohydrates, especially High GI, and especially sugar, without any protein, you can expect a Sugar Crash, unless you are exercising afterwards.

[demografx]

ABOUT FIDDLERPAUL'S EXPERIENCE

For some time, I practiced a Taoist technique of withholding semen yet still having an orgasm. (For those of you curious, the author of the book is Mantak Chia, he has a couple books out). But, for me, the orgasm still resulted in full-blown POIS. Someone else I asked said that the orgasm affects the central nervous system, and that orgasm leads to POIS, and that it has nothing to do with the semen release.

[demografx]

VOLUNTEER NEEDED

Would someone be willing to initiate contact with a research endocrinologist to study the posts here?

Someone mentioned Oxford. And possibly to do this at no charge since the results can make them famous!

As I mentioned earlier, I think others here are better qualified than me, with more of a scientific orientation.

THANK YOU!

[fiddlerpaul]

Jim,
I think its a case of if you affect one aspect you can affect the other.
I don't know if you read my original story, but I once had 3 months where I had no POIS and on the contrary felt BETTER afterwards.  The reason was I had been spiritually transformed on some energetic level of my being and it turned the sexual release into an energy building process somehow.  My whole life was that way. 
But no doubt now x amount of semen release equals more likelihood of POIS as somehow the system is stressed.  I'm just glad that I have something after, what is it now, 42 years of sexual activity. 
I am fairly skeptical of a chemical solution after trying a number of things over my life, but then, I'm way too sensitive to a lot of substances and for every good effect there always seems to be a price to pay.

Congratulations but once again you avoid the problem with this trick but you don't resolve it.
But it seems to prove POIS is mainly hormonal and maybe not/less neurologic as i originally thought. With the semen retention trick you avoid to start the hormonal cycle engaged by ejaculation (DHEA, testosterone). We probably have a temporary difficult to produce theses hormones (Adrenal glands tired ? Lazy ? ... ).

[John21 (OP)]

I had been spiritually transformed on some energetic level of my being

huh?!

[demografx]

...i have contacted on my side an endocrinologist to ask infos about adrenal glands.I hope he will give me new elements. And I wait final results of a case who is testing the low carbs diet.His first results are encouraging.  Then, I will write to ISSM to ask if we can have acces to the study they have.

Excellent, B_Jim, thank you!

[demografx]

(1)
...But no doubt now x amount of semen release equals more likelihood of POIS...

(2) 
...I am fairly skeptical of a chemical solution after trying a number of things over my life...

(1)
In my experience, semen release has no connection to POIS. "Taoist-technique" orgasms (without semen release) have still led to very strong bouts of POIS for me.

(2)
Levitra cures 50-75% of my POIS now. The lower % occurs when there is not enough time lapsed between releases. For me, that means weeks.

As always, please note that using Levitra without ED may possibly lead to heart problems. Always consult a physician.