[demografx]

So you were able to have an orgasm without ejaculation and you'd still have the POIS?

I don't understand, because the link rapidgaming provided stated that with those techniques the dopamine-hangover is avoided...
Or she uses another technique? Does anyone know?


for others that don't know: Kegel-excercises are to strengthen the PC-muscle

Yes, I practiced Mantak Chia's techniques and sucessfully avoided release at orgasm. No effect on POIS. As for the link,  there are as many "theories" as the number of people on the planet. I was very disapointed.

[jeroboam]

So the link off Rapidgaming about the dopamine-hangover... is correct? And this is causing the POIS?

So the techniques they are learning in the book they advertise on the site (book named "peace between the sheets"), is about having sex without having orgasm?
To me that seems the only way to avoid the dopamine-hangover, if what I posted above is all correct.

[solution]

What if you can recover quickly that dopamine released? I suppose watching porno movies...or getting very excited again after an orgasm, could be a solution? let´s try...

[solution]

...During the "hangover," or "low-dopamine" portion of the cycle, you may feel abandoned, or as if someone is demanding things from you in ways that you cannot tolerate. Or you may desperately seek new highs (alcohol, sweets, new partners, pornography, and so forth) to raise your dopamine levels again...

...Dopamine is behind a lot of the desire we associate with eating and sexual intercourse. Similarly, all addictive drugs trigger dopamine (the "craving neurochemical") to stimulate the pleasure/reward center. So do gambling, shopping, overeating and other, seemingly unrelated, activities. Go shopping: dopamine. Smoke a cigarette: dopamine. Computer games: dopamine. Heroin: dopamine. Orgasm: dopamine. They all work somewhat differently on the brain, but all raise your dopamine.

You get a bigger blast of dopamine eating high-calorie, high-fat foods than eating low-calorie vegetables. You may believe that you love ice cream, but you really love your blast of dopamine. You're genetically programmed to seek out high-calorie foods over others. Similarly, dopamine drives you to have sex over most other activities. With dopamine as the driving force, biology has designed you to engage in fertilization behavior to make more babies, and urges you to move on to new partners to create greater genetic variety among your offspring...




http://www.entelechyjournal.com/pulling_away_after_sex1.htm

[solution]

...Now Apomorphine HCl, a dopamine agonist that stimulates erection, is being approved, and is already for sale in Europe...
...A dopamine agonist drug, therefore, produces effects similar to dopamine in the brain...


Maybe is Levitra acting as dopamine agonist?


http://edlogs.blogspot.com/2007/12/super-size-orgasms.html

[demografx]

...Now Apomorphine HCl, a dopamine agonist that stimulates erection, is being approved, and is already for sale in Europe...
...A dopamine agonist drug, therefore, produces effects similar to dopamine in the brain...


Maybe is Levitra acting as dopamine agonist?


http://edlogs.blogspot.com/2007/12/super-size-orgasms.html

solution, thank you for that very interesting info. I think B_Jim believes that to be the case, i.e., a Levitra-dopamine connection.

[demografx]

Demografx, I will send you a beginning of letter next week.

Thanks, B_Jim! Meanwile, I have asked The Naked Scientists people here if they can provide any university contacts.

Someone else said they had a contact name or suggestion at Oxford? Please let me know! Thanks.

[Bizzy]

If a research team does decide to look into this condition, I wonder how many of you will be willing to travel and participate ??

[pyropeach]

I'd be willing to participate, HANDS DOWN.

[demografx]

If a research team does decide to look into this condition, I wonder how many of you will be willing to travel and participate ??

Interesting, I didn't think of this as personal study, but sure, it could take that route. I see this Forum as a completely democratic process, so you decide. I was thinking we would start by having a research endocrinologist study the hundreds of posts here at POIS Forum and then giving us recommendations as to the next step.

[demografx]

I'd be willing to participate, HANDS DOWN.

Thanks, pyropeach!

[hk1979]

demografx

I think the problem of this research will be that everybody would like to stay anonymous. Even if this eventful discovery of the solution to POIS is groundbreaking, nobody would like to be named as subjects with POIS....

Therefor the endocrinologists should treat all test subjects and control subjects as anonymous.

[hk1979]

solution thanks for the article:

http://edlogs.blogspot.com/2007/12/super-size-orgasms.html [nofollow]

very interesting. the question is how to cut out all the highs of life, and the solution will probably very boring!

[demografx]

demografx

I think the problem of this research will be that everybody would like to stay anonymous. Even if this eventful discovery of the solution to POIS is groundbreaking, nobody would like to be named as subjects with POIS....

Therefor the endocrinologists should treat all test subjects and control subjects as anonymous.

Thank you, HK, I agree 100%. As everyone else, I certainly wish to remain anonymous! But I don't think we're anywhere near that point. If anyone thinks differently, please post: I see this first phase simply as a review of all the posts on this POIS Forum, and a recommendation from, an endocrinologist. Then we can decide what we might do next. So, no names needed, just the posted usernames here, but more importantly: the posted information, which contains a wealth of history, experience, solid theories, etc.

[demografx]

QUESTION, POIS STUDY

Is everyone agreed that the specialist we wish to help us research a cure for POIS is: a research endocrinologist? If anyone disagrees, please post your thoughts within a week, by May 28. Thank you.

[Bizzy]

Demografx

This is certainly an endocrinology and neurology area.
The neurological aspect of POIS will be complex and so it would be difficult to persuade a doctor that anything is wrong. A lot of doctors are dismissive and love to cry placebo.
So it is better to take the endocrinology path, which may show hormonal abnormalities.

[girlwind]

I can't possibly be the only woman who has this syndrome? I see only men chatting on this website, and in my google search I didn't
find any POIS referring to women. But I must say that it comes as a relief to hear that there is a name for this bizarre post-orgasmic
exhaustion, and that other people are also attempting to find answers and remedies. I have had many of the symptoms described here
after engaging in orgasmic sex--the physical, mental and mood exhaustion, brain fog and flu-like symptoms that last for 3-10 days
after the "event."

For me this all started with a bigger problem back 30 years ago, when I collapsed with Chronic Fatigue Immune Deficiency Syndrome,
(CFIDS) also known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Since then, the fatigue I feel after orgasm has not gone away, despite the fact that
my overall health has generally improved. Some of you have addressed the issue of neurotransmitters, as well as the auto-immune
part of the equation, both of which are KEY factors in dealing with CFIDS, so this is something that I have some experience with.

One thing that has helped me to recover from the overall exhaustion of CFIDS, and to somewhat remedy the orgasmic exhaustion has
been adrenal boosting herbal remedies and vitamins, like Siberian ginseng, schizandra, and large doses of pantothenic acid (up to
5000 mg) in 1000 mg doses, spread out throughout the day with 2000 mg. of Vitamin C per pop. Also important has been managing
stress and avoiding anything close to burn-out, which drains the adrenals and makes the fatigue worse. And getting deep sleep has
been really important too. The amino acid L-Tryptopan has been most beneficial for sleep, and since it is a precursor for serotonin
production, this goes back to the issue of improved neurotransmitter availability in assisting overall recovery from fatigue. Repairing
adrenal exhaustion also has helped my immune system functioning, as there is a direct link between being overly tired/drained and
the tendency to become ill with colds and flus.

But unfortunately, the best remedy has been to omit the orgasm from my sexual repertoire. Which truly sucks. Many women do not
even have orgasms, and so it feels disappointing to forgo what happens naturally for the sake of my overall health. Although I have
noticed over the years, that when I repress the urge to cum for too long, my body will rebel against this eventually and give me an
orgasmic dream in compensation to the enforced repression.

Still, my main question has to do women with this syndrome... How many other woman out there have this?  Is POIS mostly a male
syndrome? Or are many women in the dark about this, as I was, until I found this website?  What are the stats on this? Has anyone
taken the time to do research? And where are they?

[Guthrie]

Hi girlwind,

Yes, it seems that you are the only woman so far on this site who has reported having POIS symptoms.  It is interesting to know that it affects women also--perhaps that can help in figuring out causes/cures.  Since there may be some things that differ between male and female sexual response, the fact that POIS seems to affect both men and women may indicate that with regard to POIS, the causal factor is something common to both male and female orgasm.  For instance, there was some debate in this forum whether orgasm without ejaculation could prevent POIS--but if women get it too, then it probably is something related to orgasm itself, not to ejaculation.

Perhaps other women will write in, now that you have written!

The link to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is also interesting--perhaps some CFS treatments could work for POIS (although they don't seem to have fully done so in your case).

[Guthrie]

In fact, the list of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms at this site:
http://www.cfids.org/about-cfids/symptoms.asp
almost make it seem as though POIS could be a 'short-term' or 'specific-occasion-induced' form of CFS.

[demografx]

In fact, the list of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms at this site:
http://www.cfids.org/about-cfids/symptoms.asp
almost make it seem as though POIS could be a 'short-term' or 'specific-occasion-induced' form of CFS.

Guthrie, that's exactly what my psychiatrist thought!