Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #5600 on: 17/09/2009 15:52:32 »

Many thanks for reporting that, mellivora!

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« Reply #5601 on: 17/09/2009 17:04:09 »
I was listening to NPR today about chemo-brain (info here: http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=40136)

symptoms:
    * Memory loss – forgetting things that you normally remember     
    * Difficulty thinking of the right word for a particular object     
    * Difficulty following the flow of a conversation     
    * Trouble concentrating or focusing on one thing     
    * Difficulty doing more than one thing at a time (multi tasking)     
    * More difficulty doing things you used to do easily, such as adding up in your head     
    * Fatigue (tiredness and lack of energy)     
    * Confusion     
    * Mental fogginess

okay why am i mentioning this, well Jim mentioned cytokines before... the doctor being interviewed said that some of the people who exhibit these symptoms have high level of cytokines in their blood. And they dont know why the cytokines could be causing them.

There exists a Cytokine panel of blood testing that can be done, like this one: http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLCCYT/Cytokine-Panel---IL1b-IL6-IL8-TNF-Alpha-Blood-Test.html

The Cytokines in chemo-therapy result from an auto-immune response. Maybe for some of us the POIS is a auto-immune reaction triggering large amounts of these cytokines to be released. Once I have the health insurance again, I am definitely doing to get this panel done after a few O's (god that will be a crappy week at work lolz =)

Even in healthy males, studies (like this one: http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstract&ArtikelNr=79409&Ausgabe=230291&ProduktNr=224176) have shown that an O causes an immuno reaction by the human body.

going crazy it wasnt my quote it was defsync.

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« Reply #5602 on: 17/09/2009 17:06:01 »

Question to all:

If you had your pick of an individual(s) or an institution, who would you like to see study us and POIS?


If you'd prefer to PM me with a reply that's fine, as is a casual post.

Thanks!

that was where i was going with my post on chemo brain.   Do you think those reasearchers will be willing to deal with us since symptoms are so similar and they will checking the same region anyways.


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« Reply #5603 on: 17/09/2009 17:09:30 »
As I posted about a month ago, I had some blood tests a while back. These tests were not done while I was feeling symptoms. I still think I need to do a before and after test. I have an endocrinologist appointment at the end of October.
Basically my results for Testosterone, Prolactin, FSH, SHBG, Cortisol and thyroid were all normal. My LH was 'slightly low' - I wonder if that's just something to do with a relatively low frequency of orgasm compared to a normal non-sufferer.

I'd like to see the actual numbers to see where within 'normal' range I was and also to check exactly which testosterone test was carried out (I asked for total, free, bioavailable). I should be able to discuss all this at my endocrinology appointment. Also I think its important to do both before  symptoms and during POIS symptoms tests so hopefully my endo will help me with this.

Trying cranberries. has anyone had any apparent results from dried cranberries? They seem to be easier to get hold of



my lh was low normal and fsh was below normal by .2, am curious if these has anything to do with sperm regeneration my self. Because i experience the same thing demografx said. 


Demografx before you started taking testoreone did you fill up and recovered withing three days

I fill up about the same time i recover which is sevenday.

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« Reply #5604 on: 17/09/2009 17:44:48 »
C-reactive protein (CRP)

has anybody had their "crp" checked, this protein is used as an inflammatory marker to see if the immune system is attacking an infection or auto immune response. the  Normal reference ranges for blood tests are less than 5 mg/l.  my doctor told me i should have a 2 or 3, but i forgot when i had my crp checked about year and a half ago i scored a 10.  this is not normal for a healthy 26 year old male, she said its normal for an 80 year old with a real bad infection.  

CRP is thought to bind to phosphocholine, thus initiating recognition and phagocytosis of damaged cells.  Phosphocholine (PC) is an intermediate in the synthesis of (phosphatidylcholine) in tissues. It is also used by nematodes and human placentas to suppress an immune response by their hosts.  strangely, phosphatidylcholine and Phosphocholine are the phospolipids in (ps 100) which is listed on the pois website as a supplement to help with pois symptoms.

CRP is very important in my theory about an auto immune response making us sick,

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« Reply #5605 on: 17/09/2009 17:57:11 »

Demografx before you started taking testostereone did you fill up and recovered withing three days

I fill up about the same time i recover which is sevenday.


About 4 days before. Now it's 1. To start regenerating, not necessary "filled up". "T" clearly speeds up the process.

And I wonder if T would help POIS even for those people with normal T. But don't anyone experiment without a physician!!!
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« Reply #5606 on: 17/09/2009 18:04:30 »

Question to all:

If you had your pick of an individual(s) or an institution, who would you like to see study us and POIS?


If you'd prefer to PM me with a reply that's fine, as is a casual post.

Thanks!


that was where i was going with my post on chemo brain.   Do you think those reasearchers will be willing to deal with us since symptoms are so similar and they will checking the same region anyways.


I think researchers want to see a similarity. Otherwise it's not a syndrome, it's just a bunch of people reacting in all kinds of strange and different ways to orgasm. Hard to study I imagine.

So, CC,  who would you like to see on this research "team"?
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« Reply #5607 on: 17/09/2009 18:48:16 »
i am close to Univerisity of Washington, UW Medical does world class research, but i would be happy if anybody studied pois.

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« Reply #5608 on: 17/09/2009 22:14:17 »

I am close to University of Washington, UW Medical does world class research, but I would be happy if anybody studied pois.


laurac, can you get a contact email so I can send a request to research POIS?

The DERC (endocrinology research) Director is Jerry Palmer, M.D.

Maybe he'd be a good person for me to start an email/telephone follow up dialogue??

My only concern is that it looks like diabetes is their main (only?) research focus:
http://depts.washington.edu/diabetes/

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« Reply #5609 on: 17/09/2009 22:17:50 »
For me I was thinking that yes it could possibly be hormonal, I've practically had POIS the same amount of time that I've had acne, and my acne is slowly diminishing, hence POIS is getting better... At least for me.

You've turned around your thinking 180 degrees. Great flexibility!

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« Reply #5610 on: 18/09/2009 01:29:49 »

Demografx before you started taking testostereone did you fill up and recovered withing three days

I fill up about the same time i recover which is sevenday.


About 4 days before. Now it's 1. To start regenerating, not necessary "filled up". "T" clearly speeds up the process.

And I wonder if T would help POIS even for those people with normal T. But don't anyone experiment without a physician!!!


CC, just to clarify some more, before I started my TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) for POIS, my hunch is that I was replenishing sperm much too slowly, and this was somehow associated with POIS agony.

TRT now replenishes sperm much more quickly, thereby cutting out 3 days of POIS agony for me. POIS is now a one day ordeal for me, or less, and miraculously POIS-free a few times. I've NEVER had POIS-free episodes in my 30+ year battle with this Ugly Monster called POIS. I can't explain the sudden POIS-free episodes, but again, I do have hunches about them if anyone wants to hear more about it.

When I said "full" and "empty" (sperm) before, I didn't mean that I needed to be "full" to be out-of-POIS. My guess is only that the sperm regeneration process needs to be underway, and if it's at a standstill...then POIS kicks in.

But if I'm "full", I'm definitely at my peak physical/mental/emotional condition. I think many others experience this, although they may not attribute it to sperm the way I do.

I know it sounds simplistic, but who really knows the answer? As others here have hunches, this is my best hunch.

Thanks for letting me babble on.
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« Reply #5611 on: 18/09/2009 02:10:29 »

Question to all:

If you had your pick of an individual(s) or an institution, who would you like to see study us and POIS?

If you'd prefer to PM me with a reply that's fine, as is a casual post.

Thanks!

I would be interested in having anyone study POIS who has sufficient interest and resources.

I think that funding a study would be the biggest obstacle. By contacting multiple University research groups, seeking out grants from non-profits, we might have a chance of getting some interest. What about going the route of offering an "X" prize(aka cash award to anyone) for 1) uncovering the internal processes of POIS and 2) finding a solution for POIS. The "X" prize has succeeded in generating interest/research in other areas- look it up on youtube. We would just once again need a financial backer for the prize.

Probably the more documented/recognized cases of POIS the better in terms of generating research interest and funding. By POIS members all contributing to writing articles/comments/questions regarding POIS in medical and scientific forums/websites/publications I think we might find there are more POIS members out there who are simply not aware of and searching for what they are dealing with. Would members here want to help with this? Also if there was wider recognition and awareness of POIS within the medical community and the public, we might generate more interest in conducting and funding studies.

If we are able to point out something tangible like high CRP #'s for example, something that could be common to those with POIS, this might generate more interest and cause for a study in the mind of a researcher.

A major piece of media and communication technology of the moment seems to be youtube. If numerous POIS sufferers are able to relay their experiences in multiple youtube postings or a video blog of some sort, this could make a big difference in communicating and spreading the word about the hardships of POIS; hence leading to possible research interest and at least better understanding. I know this could be tricky but you would not need to show your face on the videos and could mask your voice or type out comments in the video if you are concerned about concealing your identity as I assume many people are. Thanks to "Girlwind" for starting what will hopefully be a trend.    
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« Reply #5612 on: 18/09/2009 03:26:26 »
For me I was thinking that yes it could possibly be hormonal, I've practically had POIS the same amount of time that I've had acne, and my acne is slowly diminishing, hence POIS is getting better... At least for me.

You've turned around your thinking 180 degrees. Great flexibility!

Yeah, I do that a lot.   [:)]

I may have asked this before but I don't believe I had any responses.  Does anybody experience very mild POIS symptoms simply just after sexual stimulation?  I do, and this could probably take us into new directions, what evidently isn't just released at orgasm can affect our theories.  Obviously, orgasm is the worst, but if this occurs by sexual stimulation, I think new things would come into conversation.

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« Reply #5613 on: 18/09/2009 03:39:48 »
demograph i dont know who yet but i am definately going into this chemo brain thingy.  I want someone who as at least seen similar symptoms from something else so they dont give up easily if nothing comes up.           

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« Reply #5614 on: 18/09/2009 03:41:34 »
For me I was thinking that yes it could possibly be hormonal, I've practically had POIS the same amount of time that I've had acne, and my acne is slowly diminishing, hence POIS is getting better... At least for me.

You've turned around your thinking 180 degrees. Great flexibility!

Yeah, I do that a lot.   [:)]

I may have asked this before but I don't believe I had any responses.  Does anybody experience very mild POIS symptoms simply just after sexual stimulation?  I do, and this could probably take us into new directions, what evidently isn't just released at orgasm can affect our theories.  Obviously, orgasm is the worst, but if this occurs by sexual stimulation, I think new things would come into conversation.


I dont think i have any from just sexual stimulations but my sleep is my worst nightmare, i found a way to get rid of nocturnal emissions but i havnt figure out a way to get rid of brain orgasms, am working on that right now.   

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« Reply #5615 on: 18/09/2009 03:42:37 »
I have looked online for this but found none. Does anybody know negative effects of using male desensitizers for long periods.

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« Reply #5616 on: 18/09/2009 03:43:22 »
Hormones are also released during sexual stimulation, so maybe that is why I get that way?

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« Reply #5617 on: 18/09/2009 03:58:53 »


I may have asked this before but I don't believe I had any responses.  Does anybody experience very mild POIS symptoms simply just after sexual stimulation?  I do, and this could probably take us into new directions, what evidently isn't just released at orgasm can affect our theories.  Obviously, orgasm is the worst, but if this occurs by sexual stimulation, I think new things would come into conversation.

Yes. Morning erections cause POIS symptoms with me, which is very annoying as there is little that I can do to control those! The symptoms last between 12-48 hours.

I definitely agree that it isn't just orgasm that causes POIS. For me, there are 3 levels of POIS:

1) POIS caused by a simple erection (usually involving sleep)
2) POIS caused by the emission of pre-cum (cowpers glands etc)
3) POIS caused by full-blown orgasm

Each level is stronger than the last, although there have been a few exceptions to this general rule.

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« Reply #5618 on: 18/09/2009 08:37:03 »
Yes I can relate to above post. You might mitigate morning erections by sleeping on your stomach. Anyone else tried this?  [:-\]

I would interpret this to be further evidence of a previous theory- Stimulation of any sort could internally start moving semen and prejaculate or by other means trigger the sending of chemical signals which call for the production of more semen even before it has been expelled(as more production is likely to soon be necessary), just as an orgasm would, simply to a smaller degree.

CC -Regarding nighttime brain orgasms: If you try to ignore sexual thoughts or push thoughts of sex out of your mind while you are awake, you might be able to avoid this. It sounds difficult but some people are able to control their dreams or at least logically recognize they are in a dream state and choose to wake up or ignore the dream. This could take some practice, hope this helps.  [;D]
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« Reply #5619 on: 18/09/2009 08:44:09 »
Interesting theory.

http://www.drhusbands.com/blog/womens-health/adrenal-stress-and-hormonal-imbalance-connection-with-gut-problem/ [nofollow]

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In preparing for teaching doctors from around the world in the 17th Annual World Congress on Anti-Aging Medicine and Regenerative Biomedical Technologies conference, I have been reminded how greatly any alterations in Gastrointestinal (GI) tract beneficial bacteria (microflora) affects the adrenal stress response.  The state of imbalanced GI microflora can stress you out by:

    * turning up your adrenal glands into overdrive
    * causing your thyroid to go out of whack
    * causing your estrogens and progesterone to go haywire, and
    * lead you into multiple hormonal imbalances

There are so many women who have been misdiagnosed and have been unnecessarily prescribed the common thyroid prescription medication Synthroid.  This occurs because a lot of doctors use TSH and T4 for thyroid screening lab tests as primary diagnostic tools for hypothyroidism.  However, they are not looking deeper.  Very often, the adrenals go out of whack first.  More often than realized, recurrent use of antibiotics and/or corticosteroid inhalers or corticosteroid creams kill the beneficial GI microflora.   Since 60% of your immune system is in your GI tract, an imbalanced GI tract microflora causes immune system imbalances, which in turn, causes adrenal dysregulation.  Adrenal dysregulation alters thyroid function.  Thyroid problems cause sex hormone imbalances.  Consequently, you get multi-system dysregulation.  Quite often, doctors prescribe more and more medications as symptoms increase.  Ultimately, women that go through this never get better because the root causes are not properly identified and treated.

In many of the other posts on this blog and articles in my newsletter archives, I’ve discussed components of the multi-system dysregulation.  In the upcoming conference, I am getting an opportunity to bring all this together before a large group of health care professionals.  I’m looking forward to discussing the research studies and scientific priniciples for using nutrition, lifestyle modifications, spinal manipulation and other natural means for resolving this multi-system dysregulation.  The title of my presentation is “Optimizing GI Tract Function as a Therapeutic Component of Hormonal Regulation in Women”.

By the way, the resulting multi-system dysregulation originating from gut problems is also applicable to men.  I’ve focused on women here because this has been on my mind lately due to preparing for my upcoming presentation.

Dr Husbands is a Chiropractor, a Certified Clinical Nutritionist, an Anti-Aging Healthcare Practitioner and a Functional Medicine Doctor. For more information, visit http://www.drhusbands.com [nofollow].

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« Reply #5620 on: 18/09/2009 12:43:11 »
Thank you John21 & demografx for all the precious info and links. I'll study them carefully.

demografx: I've lived in England for over 5 years ;-)
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« Reply #5621 on: 18/09/2009 14:38:45 »
THISFORUMROCKS, thank you for all your input above on funding and research! I was frankly getting worried that we don't have a solid interest here in working together to get help. Please, everyone, don't take it wrong but it seems like there's been very little input on the questions I've raised and the volunteering that's needed to go forward. Items such as building our email contact list, WHO, NORD, etc.

Tell me I'm wrong! It's honestly been a little difficult forging ahead solo. I was shot down by a major university for researching POIS (the same people who are treating me successfully), very little to no feedback from others here about NORD, the AACE President doesn't return my calls or emails, WHO is maddeningly, bureaucratically slow as molasses,  Martin has been the only one to add to our contact list besides me, and POIS pioneers/researchers Drs Waldinger and Schwartz have been largely unresponsive, as have the authors of the textbook, "The Science of Orgasm", one who is affiliated with a research lab that could really help. Our inability to offer funding I suspect is a big stumbling block, also for people Counterpoints has contacted.

On the bright side, 3 POIS forum-members have committed $2,500 in cold, hard cash toward our effort A major breakthrough.

I'm writing this not to complain but to bring THISFORUMROCKS (TFR) and other newcomers up to speed so that they can contribute, as TFR has done above.
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« Reply #5622 on: 18/09/2009 14:43:35 »
goingcrazy, I can be in a highly stimulated, charged up mode for 3 days straight, and it doesn't affect me. No symptoms.

Only one thing pushes me over the edge into the abyss of POIS, and that's The Explosion.
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« Reply #5623 on: 18/09/2009 14:59:21 »
goingcrazy, I can be in a highly stimulated, charged up mode for 3 days straight, and it doesn't affect me. No symptoms.

Only one thing pushes me over the edge into the abyss of POIS, and that's The Explosion.

hmm, still maybe the testosterone helping you not feel it?  Idk,  I'm thinking John's "cure" was his yogurt, supposedly an immune-balancing food.  Auto-immune disease now.  Celibacy + yogurt = immune balancing, no more POIS, hmm, still don't know.
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« Reply #5624 on: 18/09/2009 21:07:29 »

goingcrazy, I can be in a highly stimulated, charged up mode for 3 days straight, and it doesn't affect me. No symptoms.

Only one thing pushes me over the edge into the abyss of POIS, and that's The Explosion.


hmm, still maybe the testosterone helping you not feel it? 


It's always been like that for me.

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« Reply #5625 on: 18/09/2009 21:10:05 »

Thank you John21 & demografx for all the precious info and links. I'll study them carefully.


devastated, there's a tremendous amount of good POIS exploration to be found there.

We're glad you're here!

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« Reply #5626 on: 19/09/2009 00:23:48 »
If not cure it, does anyone know anything that you can do to at least shorten POIS?

...I'm on day 13...its not fun.


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« Reply #5627 on: 19/09/2009 00:45:38 »
Below is an overdue response to a question.

POIS helps those who suffer from it to learn dicipline. 

Dicipline is:
An art, not a science
A journey, not a destination
A strength, not a weakness

POIS punishes those who do not have dicipline and rewards those who do have it.

POIS teaches the dicipline of self-control, mind over matter, and faith.  Needless to mention, mastery of these diciplines will take you anywhere you want in life or rather wherever you need to be taken.
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« Reply #5628 on: 19/09/2009 02:03:07 »
Below is an overdue response to a question.

POIS helps those who suffer from it to learn dicipline. 

Dicipline is:
An art, not a science
A journey, not a destination
A strength, not a weakness

POIS punishes those who do not have dicipline and rewards those who do have it.

POIS teaches the dicipline of self-control, mind over matter, and faith.  Needless to mention, mastery of these diciplines will take you anywhere you want in life or rather wherever you need to be taken.

Not to destroy this beautifull summary i am actually printing out and putting on wall.  But it is all true as long as you can stay out of it.

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« Reply #5629 on: 19/09/2009 02:05:47 »
I sleep on my
Yes I can relate to above post. You might mitigate morning erections by sleeping on your stomach. Anyone else tried this?  [:-\]

I would interpret this to be further evidence of a previous theory- Stimulation of any sort could internally start moving semen and prejaculate or by other means trigger the sending of chemical signals which call for the production of more semen even before it has been expelled(as more production is likely to soon be necessary), just as an orgasm would, simply to a smaller degree.

CC -Regarding nighttime brain orgasms: If you try to ignore sexual thoughts or push thoughts of sex out of your mind while you are awake, you might be able to avoid this. It sounds difficult but some people are able to control their dreams or at least logically recognize they are in a dream state and choose to wake up or ignore the dream. This could take some practice, hope this helps.  [;D]

I sleep on my stomach and results in constant NE but when i put hole in bed for my piano NE stopped.   Now am changing position to back but with hole in my cover sheet and also adding male desensitizers hopefully this makes a differenced.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5630 on: 19/09/2009 02:08:16 »
I have had POIS for at least 20 years. My psychiatrist told me that these symptoms although rare, has been found among patients who suffer with major depressive disorder (neuro transmitter imbalance). The anti-depressant medications have never helped relieve these specific symptoms, and Ive been on all of them. Since some of these symptom are similar to those of an allergic reaction, I have experimented, by treating the POIS with antihistamine. There is one that helps relieve the intensity of the symtoms by at least 85%, it is called Loratadine. It is an over the counter antihistamine allergy medication(CVS store brand, less expensive) that will last for 24 hours. Note: Should be Loratadine 10mg. I will take 1 hour before or short time after orgasm. Since my symptoms last about 3 days, I will take a 2nd dose after 21 hours, then a 3rd dose after another 21 hours. I will feel 85% symptom free during those 3 days and until next orgasm. I hope that sharing this information can be helpful.

This is a post by gement from steved's could i have a sexuall illness.  I already sent the person  a message about us.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5631 on: 19/09/2009 05:07:58 »

If not cure it, does anyone know anything that you can do to at least shorten POIS?

...I'm on day 13...its not fun.


Dean, if you can find a doctor to work with you to review everything that's been tried here, and then carefully and cautiously try out some of those ideas, matching your POIS profile with other people here............

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5632 on: 19/09/2009 05:36:03 »
Below is an overdue response to a question.

POIS helps those who suffer from it to learn dicipline. 

Dicipline is:
An art, not a science
A journey, not a destination
A strength, not a weakness

POIS punishes those who do not have dicipline and rewards those who do have it.

POIS teaches the dicipline of self-control, mind over matter, and faith.  Needless to mention, mastery of these diciplines will take you anywhere you want in life or rather wherever you need to be taken.

Yeah but where the discipline lacks sense is that NE's cause POIS

I sleep on my
Yes I can relate to above post. You might mitigate morning erections by sleeping on your stomach. Anyone else tried this?  [:-\]

I would interpret this to be further evidence of a previous theory- Stimulation of any sort could internally start moving semen and prejaculate or by other means trigger the sending of chemical signals which call for the production of more semen even before it has been expelled(as more production is likely to soon be necessary), just as an orgasm would, simply to a smaller degree.

CC -Regarding nighttime brain orgasms: If you try to ignore sexual thoughts or push thoughts of sex out of your mind while you are awake, you might be able to avoid this. It sounds difficult but some people are able to control their dreams or at least logically recognize they are in a dream state and choose to wake up or ignore the dream. This could take some practice, hope this helps.  [;D]

I sleep on my stomach and results in constant NE but when i put hole in bed for my piano NE stopped.   Now am changing position to back but with hole in my cover sheet and also adding male desensitizers hopefully this makes a differenced.

That is quite hilarious, how big are those holes, 2 millimeters diameter?  Haha, no probably half of that size.   [:X]  JK... You actually do go to quite a big extent to take care of those NE's.  And how do you brain orgasm without ejaculation??

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5633 on: 19/09/2009 05:39:57 »
I have had POIS for at least 20 years. My psychiatrist told me that these symptoms although rare, has been found among patients who suffer with major depressive disorder (neuro transmitter imbalance). The anti-depressant medications have never helped relieve these specific symptoms, and Ive been on all of them. Since some of these symptom are similar to those of an allergic reaction, I have experimented, by treating the POIS with antihistamine. There is one that helps relieve the intensity of the symtoms by at least 85%, it is called Loratadine. It is an over the counter antihistamine allergy medication(CVS store brand, less expensive) that will last for 24 hours. Note: Should be Loratadine 10mg. I will take 1 hour before or short time after orgasm. Since my symptoms last about 3 days, I will take a 2nd dose after 21 hours, then a 3rd dose after another 21 hours. I will feel 85% symptom free during those 3 days and until next orgasm. I hope that sharing this information can be helpful.

This is a post by gement from steved's could i have a sexuall illness.  I already sent the person  a message about us.

I think that POIS causes "major depression disorder",  I don't think that depression would cause POIS, unless a biological depression.  My life was fine and happy until the day that POIS entered my mind, but if we do come out of this, it's a strength building endeavor.  I'm not sure if POIS causes a chemical imbalance or if it exacerbates something else, The fog in my head seems like a "candida" and the headache seems like an auto-immune reaction and all of it together seems like a chemical imbalance.  I do believe we could come out of this.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5634 on: 19/09/2009 05:48:10 »
Anybody think that it's not just orgasm that causes this, that maybe orgasm "irritates" something in your head.  Like sugar, etc... Sleep for me gives me terrible brain fog when I wake up, especially during POIS.


If not cure it, does anyone know anything that you can do to at least shorten POIS?

...I'm on day 13...its not fun.


Dean, if you can find a doctor to work with you to review everything that's been tried here, and then carefully and cautiously try out some of those ideas, matching your POIS profile with other people here............

Day 13, is a while, I suggest no sexual stimulation whatsoever and to drink a lot of water.  Water helps me a lot.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5635 on: 19/09/2009 05:49:55 »
i believe my POIS is an auto-immune reaction... wont know for sure until I have enuf $$$ to get the tests done.. but even still if they prove positive, there is very little that can be done about it... has anyone considered surgery to cut the nerves associated with sexual stimulation / erection / orgasm, or is this even possible? i'm at my whits end with this !#@$#!@ im SOOOOOOOO freakin tired of the "discipline"... it doesnt really get to me persay, i just dont want to have to think about it anymore, and sleep at night and dream about whatever without having to worry about the consequences... sleep a night of regular freakin sleep and not have a care in the world that i will wake up in the morning any different

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5636 on: 19/09/2009 06:11:41 »
Yeah but where the discipline lacks sense is that NE's cause POIS

That way of thinking is easy, lazy justification - the opposite of dicipline. 

As others have experienced, this can be controlled if you focus.

I don't mean to come across as harsh as this post reads.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5637 on: 19/09/2009 06:20:40 »
i believe my POIS is an auto-immune reaction... wont know for sure until I have enuf $$$ to get the tests done.. but even still if they prove positive, there is very little that can be done about it... has anyone considered surgery to cut the nerves associated with sexual stimulation / erection / orgasm, or is this even possible? i'm at my whits end with this !#@$#!@ im SOOOOOOOO freakin tired of the "discipline"... it doesnt really get to me persay, i just dont want to have to think about it anymore, and sleep at night and dream about whatever without having to worry about the consequences... sleep a night of regular freakin sleep and not have a care in the world that i will wake up in the morning any different

Weird, I was just thinking the same thing.  There are treatments though I guess to stop the reaction, like immune system lowering drugs.  I was also reading that auto-immune disorders can be lessened, sometimes even cured by diet and exercise and just general health.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5638 on: 19/09/2009 06:22:35 »
Yeah but where the discipline lacks sense is that NE's cause POIS

That way of thinking is easy, lazy justification - the opposite of dicipline. 

As others have experienced, this can be controlled if you focus.

I don't mean to come across as harsh as this post reads.

that's ok, POIS makes me say things that might not even make sense, or just stupid things

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5639 on: 19/09/2009 18:55:12 »
Anybody think that it's not just orgasm that causes this, that maybe orgasm "irritates" something in your head.  Like sugar, etc... Sleep for me gives me terrible brain fog when I wake up, especially during POIS.


If not cure it, does anyone know anything that you can do to at least shorten POIS?

...I'm on day 13...its not fun.


Dean, if you can find a doctor to work with you to review everything that's been tried here, and then carefully and cautiously try out some of those ideas, matching your POIS profile with other people here............

Day 13, is a while, I suggest no sexual stimulation whatsoever and to drink a lot of water.  Water helps me a lot.

Thanks GC, I'll try that. Thanks as well to you Demo, but I'd really like to exhaust all of my options before I have to go deal with the doctor again. I don't have any know health problems, my doctor actually said that I was "remarkably healthy." Despite this, I assure you that I'll take a lot of care with anything I try.

Any news on cranberries?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5640 on: 20/09/2009 03:22:43 »
Anybody think that it's not just orgasm that causes this, that maybe orgasm "irritates" something in your head.  Like sugar, etc... Sleep for me gives me terrible brain fog when I wake up, especially during POIS.


If not cure it, does anyone know anything that you can do to at least shorten POIS?

...I'm on day 13...its not fun.


Dean, if you can find a doctor to work with you to review everything that's been tried here, and then carefully and cautiously try out some of those ideas, matching your POIS profile with other people here............

Day 13, is a while, I suggest no sexual stimulation whatsoever and to drink a lot of water.  Water helps me a lot.

Thanks GC, I'll try that. Thanks as well to you Demo, but I'd really like to exhaust all of my options before I have to go deal with the doctor again. I don't have any know health problems, my doctor actually said that I was "remarkably healthy." Despite this, I assure you that I'll take a lot of care with anything I try.

Any news on cranberries?

I stopped to be honest, generally because the sugar content is really high and that doesn't agree with my new diet, I did have one awesome no POIS incident, but after that I POIS'd dramatically.  I'm not sure about the cranberries, I think Limejuice was going to post a message after he had an NE.  If somebody could test cranberries/cranberry juice out for a few months without intentional orgasm that would be good.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5641 on: 20/09/2009 04:21:11 »
I stopped cranberries again. Too difficult to determine if it adds anything beyond testosterone, because other variables affect increase/decrease of 75% cure, e.g., frequency, mood, circumstance.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5642 on: 20/09/2009 23:32:39 »

If not cure it, does anyone know anything that you can do to at least shorten POIS?

...I'm on day 13...its not fun.


Dean, if you can find a doctor to work with you to review everything that's been tried here, and then carefully and cautiously try out some of those ideas, matching your POIS profile with other people here............

Demo, as a slightly more out of pois response, I realize that you are trying to help me and I appreciate, it. I apologize for being stubborn.

Anyway, I'd like to go over my latest experiences with POIS:

Last month, I posted that I would report back on my results with exercise after orgasm. My results, in short, are that for me, running directly after orgasm does get rid of POIS symptoms, but ONLY after an NE. After an NE, I  ran on a treadmill at a 10 inch incline at 6-7 miles per hour for 16 minutes, which equates to about 1.6 miles. I stopped because I felt I had "hit the wall" physically, and my body was telling me to stop, or perhaps that was just my rationalization of my simply not wanting to do it anymore. Anyhow, that got rid off pretty much all my cognitive/mental/social symptoms. I hung out with my friends and had a good time, no problem. I was though, greatly fatigued. This wasn't POIS like "I don't want to do anything" fatigue, just a general lack of energy. Despite this, I was more than happy with my results and was completely willing to be indefinitely abstinent, and just run after NE's. My plan was to continue that, and next time, to try to run every morning for about a week after an NE, and possibly look into some energy boosting products. So as the days went on, I waited for and welcomed an NE. Well, I don't know if this happens for everyone, but my first few days without POIS are the best for me, but after a week or two, I start to lose my clearheadedness a bit, and, of course, get tangled up in huge amount of sexual tension (being on fire, but allergic to water <<my analogy of how I feel after a while.) Because of these negative effects of prolonged abstinence, I wanted another NE to sort of "reset" myself. It never came. The tension just compounded until one day, a Sunday, I felt my self in just about the same mental state as full blown POIS! Needless to say, I was angry. The same day, but importantly AFTER I realized my mental state, I had some emission of fluid that resembled semen during a bowel movement. I don't know what I expect anyone to make of that...

Two days after, I had an NE. Although doubtful, I ran for 10 minutes, which did nothing of course. That confirmed for me that I was really in POIS. That lasted for two weeks, like it normally does.

This Sunday, two weeks after that, I still don't feel fully recovered. I sort of feel like it has lifted, but I don't feel the strength or invigoration that I usually feel. Being in or out of POIS is usually black or white. Right now, it's gray. If this persists, I don't know what I'll do. If I can't feel good out of POIS, would it really be worth it to keep waiting through episodes...

Anyway, I'm hoping that I can fully recover. So badly.

About cranberry, I suppose I would be a good candidate for testing, since I've got the time, I'm willing to abstinent and I'm not on anything else. I'm going to retest fenugreek, and if that doesn't work or needs supplementation, I'll do the cranberry thing. I already have some "Cran-Max Ultimate Extract" capsules. They utilize the entire cranberry, and claim that the potency is 34:1 compared to whole cranberries. The bottle says 500mg a day, but on site about Cran-max I found that doses from 200 to 6000 milligrams are acceptable, and according to Cran-max, no negative side effects have been noted. After all, its just cranberries.

As a final note, my duration of POIS is longer than most, so next time around, I plan to do everything in my power to make sure that if its going to be that long, that I'm not contributing to it. Low carbs, no refined sugars, high protein, plenty of water, NO "second round" orgasms (those always get me). I'll also try to exercise everyday, and maybe even try some of the obscure stuff like alternating hot and cold in the shower, and getting more sunlight. For up to two weeks, its going to be hard, and could be a major disappointment, but could also be completely worth it. Any comments, suggestions, or words of motivation would be great.

I apologize for my ridiculously long post, thanks again to the forum for at least providing me with ideas, no matter how effective, that something might work. Good luck to everyone.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5643 on: 21/09/2009 00:03:11 »
Dean, so you are saying that you had a self inflicted   [;)] orgasm on Sunday?  --or I think I just realized you still didn't "O"..  Yeah that fluid is weird, reminds me of candida... After exercise for me, I get really "foggy" headed, a pois fog, but this wasn't after an NE.  I know what you mean about pois being good for a couple of days but then being really irritating (happened to me during cranberry trial).  One of my theories of POIS being that our brain chemistry is out of balance and that our brain wants to keep this "out of balance" state, so when it doesn't get what it wants (orgasm) this will happen.  What I'm trying now is to just be on a good diet, exercise, and let only NE's be my only point of orgasm.  I think one day this will dramatically go away just like it dramatically came onto me, the fog that came into my head that never left.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5644 on: 21/09/2009 00:04:56 »
About the auto-immune theory, wouldn't anti-inflammatory drugs help POIS? It didn't for me.  And if we were auto-immune to something our body makes wouldn't it be attacked at its source (where it is before it is released during/after sex) ?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5645 on: 21/09/2009 00:25:56 »
About the auto-immune theory, wouldn't anti-inflammatory drugs help POIS? It didn't for me.  And if we were auto-immune to something our body makes wouldn't it be attacked at its source (where it is before it is released during/after sex) ?

depends. auto-immune reactions can be a variety of things. they can release chems into the bloodstream that go everywhere or like you said attack specific areas.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5646 on: 21/09/2009 00:51:53 »
Note: I edited my last post after accidentally submitting before I had finished.

Thanks for your response GC, and no I didn't have an orgasm at all, self inflicted or otherwise.

You just reminded me of on thing that I left off my list: anti-inflammatory agents. Regardless of what any theory says, things that are anti inflammatory have proven to have positive effects on POIS, such as garlic and many others. I also read somewhere that mild exercise was anti-inflammatory, so I'm definitely not going to dismiss that theory.


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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5647 on: 21/09/2009 03:09:29 »
My 90%+ cure

Since starting testosterone therapy last year, I have been continually reporting a POIS cure per episode of 75% to 90%, sometimes 100%. After today, I think I have a better idea of why...when it's 90%+.

Why was today (first 24 hours, "Day Zero"), good? Mostly Day Zero is still a mini-POIS-nightmare for me, but not today:

1. Was within frequency limits. Find your limits, and don't exceed them. If you can "sense" your own sperm regeneration, stay away from sex when you feel "empty".

2. Doubled dose of stimulants (with psychiatrist's approval). Finally quit caffeine and dying for it. Too bad.

3. Increased testosterone (with endocrinologist's ok)

4. Sunshine. Lots of it.

5. Engaged with other people socially for several hours.

6. Took "risks". Played piano for a group of people.

I hope this helps. But keep in mind that this is what works for me. We're all different.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5648 on: 21/09/2009 03:25:46 »
Could "extra" testosterone work on POIS for sufferers, even if they are within normal T-range?

This is not advice. I am not qualified in any way medically to offer advice. This is pure speculation on my part, and is something I'm pursuing for myself. And it's a dangerous question: I am not suggesting that anyone else conduct this experiment.

I'm simply reporting what I am doing.

Work with your trusted physician, and preferably an endocrinologist, to determine what's right for you.

What made me think of this: (1) the first concrete recommendation of testosterone was made to me by a sex researcher from Czechoslovakia, who was recommended to me by a top sex researcher in the States. The Czech researcher did not know whether I was deficient in testosterone or not. (2) My endocrinologist feels confident with my idea of increasing my dose for POIS, even though my range is now within normal for testosterone.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #5649 on: 21/09/2009 03:32:06 »

I apologize for my ridiculously long post


Please don't apologize. You have a tremendous amount of terrific experience, thoughts and observations to offer us!

And you'll find a solution. We all will.
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