Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #6500 on: 02/01/2010 17:32:52 »
daveyboy,
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...the formula is having alexander technique (try 3 different teachers before you start) and reflexology BOTH every week, within a couple of years your'll be free from it- when you are an expert in ther alexander technique 100-150 lessons. both will deal with the 'flight or fight' mechanism that no drugs can help with. alexander technique eventually allowed me to figure out psychological reasons causing my pois, an operation to have an undescended testicle lowered when I was a child. having such a trauma on my testicle at such a young age was bound to cause pois for me.

Any method that acts to reduce physiological response to stress will be beneficial to people with anxiety disorders. If anxiety was the source of your POIS then this solution makes sense. Mild anxiety is probably one type of orgasm aftereffect that affects certain people. Many of us have experienced physiological reactions that we perceive are beyond what mere anxiety can create, and so we don't view these stress reduction techniques as solutions. Consider someone trying to repair diabetes with the Alexander Technique, it may help them cope with the disease but won't be a cure. So while this technique may have worked for you, it may sound overtly simplistic to those who have more extreme reactions.

if i understand you correctly, you getting impression my pois wasnt that severe or full-on, all i can answer that is by saying it was. 15 years of it. when you say mild anxiety it was much more than that, very deep rooted causing years of poor movement. i cant visualise a worse case than me but there you go.
i personally dont like the word 'cure' because it sounds like an outside influence is magically changing you. but it is case of taking the alexander technique as far as you can, even a diabetes sufferer will suffer from poor movement who will benefit greatly in correcting it. poor movement and diabetes go hand in hand. once you gain conscious control of your movement, the natural chemicals in your body start to work as they should. but cure? more like 'control' is better word.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6501 on: 02/01/2010 17:51:22 »
Daveyboy,

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if i understand you correctly, you getting impression my pois wasnt that severe or full-on, all i can answer that is by saying it was. 15 years of it. when you say mild anxiety it was much more than that, very deep rooted causing years of poor movement. i cant visualise a worse case than me but there you go.
 

What exactly were the symptoms that you had??

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i personally dont like the word 'cure' because it sounds like an outside influence is magically changing you. but it is case of taking the alexander technique as far as you can, even a diabetes sufferer will suffer from poor movement who will benefit greatly in correcting it. poor movement and diabetes go hand in hand. once you gain conscious control of your movement, the natural chemicals in your body start to work as they should. but cure? more like 'control' is better word.

It seems you are suggesting that a diabetic can correct the "natural chemicals" by performing this Alexander Technique. If so, I think most people would consider that a cure. Can you provide any support for this claim (anecdotal or not) that this technique can "control" diabetes?
« Last Edit: 02/01/2010 17:56:31 by John21 »

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« Reply #6502 on: 02/01/2010 18:40:37 »
Daveyboy,

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if i understand you correctly, you getting impression my pois wasnt that severe or full-on, all i can answer that is by saying it was. 15 years of it. when you say mild anxiety it was much more than that, very deep rooted causing years of poor movement. i cant visualise a worse case than me but there you go.
 

What exactly were the symptoms that you had??

Ok, after an orgasm for me meant worse back ache, shoulder ache/hand, hot wrists, blocked nose, cold nose, ichy eyes, sweaty type skin, ichy back, painful toes, severe red tip on tongue, depression, ED.
lasted probably around 6-7 days, 2nd day generally worse but many times Id get a migraine on 3rd day requiring 24hrs to recover from.
Although I had the signs of it in my teenage years it grew into a real problem from the ages of 20-28.
I started going to alexander technique because of back pain which by then was daily regardless of an orgasm. My old physio suggested it and I had no expectations of it helping the POIS which it didnt until at least 1/1/2 years into it. Im now 30.
Yes, I consider myself to be an expert on true POIS recovery- which is why I delibrately write in arrogant manner about what I know works.

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It seems you are suggesting that a diabetic can correct the "natural chemicals" by performing this Alexander Technique. If so, I think most people would consider that a cure. Can you provide any support for this claim (anecdotal or not) that this technique can "control" diabetes?
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yes,
http://www.alexandertechnique.com/articles/diabetes/
i remember seeing this video on youtube by the same chap-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOWmwhxFtJQ
hope this helps
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6503 on: 02/01/2010 19:40:39 »
daveyboy,

I used to experience full blown symptoms but now my symptoms are usually quite mild and sometimes non existant. I rack my brain trying to explain why, but my currently I am wondering if it could be caused by a nutrient deficit or requirement, possibly Mg or B9. My symptoms were the most extreme when I used to drink milk (although I do still consume milk products such as yogurt and cottage cheese), and recently seemed to improve with certain foods that increase nutrients such as Mg and B9. Is it possible that your diet has changed such that you might actually be benefiting from this, rather than the biofeedback method?

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« Reply #6504 on: 02/01/2010 20:34:45 »
a realtime chat will be nice we can organize better if decided to do bigger and better things( which we should).
In order to make new forum sucessful we need more ideas and to get more ideas we need more people.  I say we start an agressive publizization over the internet.

Dean93 what do you need help with. 
« Last Edit: 02/01/2010 20:44:21 by CCconfucius »

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6505 on: 02/01/2010 20:41:18 »

well ive been experimenting a bit lately... returning to an old habit i had back when i was younger... smoking! i had long quit before going abstinent, but uhm yeah thanx to the U.S. govt banning clove cigarettes, which was my poison of choice, I decided I better go out and get a pack before there are none left. (making something illegal because of a FLAVOR? thats a whole other discussion but damn if that doesn't smack of socialism).

And you know what I found? For those of you having trouble maintaining 100% no-NE's, I've noticed with myself that smoking a cigarette GREATLY reduces any and all urges related to sex. I smoke just one cigarette, and it's like shutting off the valve for a day. Im not saying it's entirely HEALTHY to do so, but it is something to consider in your quest to maintain zero O's.

oh and Happy New Year =) may this be the year that POIS gets national if not worldwide attention! =)


Defsync, fascinating concept! Isn't it a shame that we once again have to consider non-benign alternatives to alleviate POIS?

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« Reply #6506 on: 02/01/2010 20:51:22 »

yep, i did leave 'you could' by accident. appologies.
it was more a statement directed at everybody.

because using biofeedback is an 'air tight' safe way of knowing if any therapy is working, in addition to how good it feels on your health.


I can't prove it with biofeedback, but my experience is that even after a complete physical checkup that tells me "I'm ok", the very next day I could be a "very sick man"! (With POIS of course)

And just 2 short weeks ago, my recent emergency open heart surgery proves my point once again (to me, at least). I was "A-OK" physically, but until a 2-3 minute little "heartburn" that my WIFE (not me) insisted that I check out, with a very specific test called an angiogram was conducted, I was utterly shocked to find out that I was on death's door step! and in emergency need of quintuple bypass + complications!!!

We need a POIS-O-Meter ® !!! John, if you let me join your Popeye Collective, I'll split the profits with ya! [;D]
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« Reply #6507 on: 02/01/2010 20:59:51 »

a realtime chat will be nice we can organize better if decided to do bigger and better things( which we should).
In order to make new forum sucessful we need more ideas and to get more ideas we need more people.  I say we start an agressive publizization over the internet.

Dean93 what do you need help with. 


It's 1:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Anyone wanna join me @ the Chatroom? Don't worry, I showered and brushed my teeth [;D]
http://pois.freeforums.org/new_chat.php?sid=349e52c86483fbb56f8c9363fdf52a71

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« Reply #6508 on: 02/01/2010 21:19:07 »
daveyboy,

I used to experience full blown symptoms but now my symptoms are usually quite mild and sometimes non existant. I rack my brain trying to explain why, but my currently I am wondering if it could be caused by a nutrient deficit or requirement, possibly Mg or B9. My symptoms were the most extreme when I used to drink milk (although I do still consume milk products such as yogurt and cottage cheese), and recently seemed to improve with certain foods that increase nutrients such as Mg and B9. Is it possible that your diet has changed such that you might actually be benefiting from this, rather than the biofeedback method?

ok, I would say definitely definitely not. Ive always eaten very healthy and tried many diet changes and herbs etc during the dark days.

It took a psychological discovery/and then a massive release, to allow my nervous system work freely, allowing my head to bounce freely on my neck, to allow the senses to work through an orgasm, to gain good posture, to gain proper ejaculation control and no pois symptoms.

when I say 'and then massive release' Im talking a couple of years of trying to 'let go' and function properly through this deep rooted fear. It was long and frustrating but ultimately very rewarding.
During the time of trying to release this fear, it kind of felt like when you have got a scratch and you just cant reach it, or a bit a food stuck in your mouth you cant reach with your tongue! I found reflexology hit the spot and helped the process. Basically, its frustrating waiting for your muscles to open up and release, but you know eventually your'll get there. when you do it is worth the wait.

Within the alexander technique world it is the belief that all chronic health problems stem from deep rooted fears that effect the nervous system and then posture- Although I would have dismissed this awhile back I now believe this theory 100%.

But I must make one thing clear. I never used Biofeedback training to help, I used it to give me EMG muscle and temperature readings (and other health print outs) on very periodic occasions. Alexander technique is in a way using the body's natural biofeedback system though.

It was suggestion for anyone wanting scientific evidence that their chosen therapy is working (although they should feel it!).

The biofeedback practitioner was a big fan of the alexander technique so he didnt mind.

I think the moderator just wants me to go away so unfortunately I dont think Im going to be able to answer many more questions.
I only jumped back on this forum after being alarmed that someone was thinking about being chemically castrated which is utter madness!!!!!! i remember thinking like that but you've got try all the options.
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« Reply #6509 on: 02/01/2010 22:50:42 »
Happy New Year 2010 to everyone here :)
I really wish POIS sufferers will all go forward this year.

I'm about to try fenugreek , PS and few other supplements mentionned here, I'll report the results.

I agree with Thisforumrocks that NE are reduced when I'm eating less.
Also I think I was recently helped for NEs with a part of PRZ method (Kegel exercises only).

I think not eating much might be true, i have been eating less and no NE for a week, hopefully. I also do something else, if this sucess continues i share the information. 

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« Reply #6510 on: 02/01/2010 23:03:10 »
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We need a POIS-O-Meter ® !!! John, if you let me join your Popeye Collective, I'll split the profits with ya!

Honestly, we do. I'll start drawing up plans and ordering parts. 60/40  [;D]

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« Reply #6511 on: 02/01/2010 23:33:07 »

I think the moderator just wants me to go away...


Not true!

I see huge improvement in the form of give-and-take. Keep in mind that we have had true disrupters here from time to time, with massive hidden agendas and not-in-the-least-interested in exchanging ideas. It's not always easy to identify early on, and in some cases waiting way too long - giving people more and more leeway - has proven detrimental to the forum.

So I apologize if I've been too hasty!
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« Reply #6512 on: 02/01/2010 23:36:18 »

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We need a POIS-O-Meter ® !!! John, if you let me join your Popeye Collective, I'll split the profits with ya!


Honestly, we do. I'll start drawing up plans and ordering parts. 60/40  [;D]


A deal! [;D]

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« Reply #6513 on: 02/01/2010 23:45:27 »
My 2nd Cure?

Well, I half-expected it.

My very first post-surgical episode was.....100% POIS-free! (Up from 90% before).

Two possibilities: (1) the placebo effect and (2) after quintuple bypass surgery, I am still often very exhausted (but not the same as "POIS-exhausted"). However, the now-beautiful-blood-and-oxygen-streaming-properly throughout my system makes me feel 40 years younger!!

Prior to surgery, the least bit of exhaustion (just walking upstairs) put me out of breath...and nauseous! So perhaps one of the key requirements for healthy O might simply be proper oxygenation and circulation?!

All too simple...Time will tell! [;D]

« Last Edit: 02/01/2010 23:48:07 by demografx »

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« Reply #6514 on: 03/01/2010 03:03:31 »
a realtime chat will be nice we can organize better if decided to do bigger and better things( which we should).
In order to make new forum sucessful we need more ideas and to get more ideas we need more people.  I say we start an agressive publizization over the internet.

Dean93 what do you need help with. 

CC, thank you for your support and offer to help. I'll pm you.

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« Reply #6515 on: 03/01/2010 09:11:51 »
I like the circulation/cardiovascular idea demo and I sometimes wonder about pois sufferers heart health. RE: OXYGENATION- I was in the hospital a few weeks ago and the blood oxygen light sensor on my finger indicated all was well, although it gave higher readings with deep breaths(if you are looking for better oxygenation for heart/brain/muscles/relaxation/etc.). Obvious I know, but most people do not tend to concentrate on their breathing as it is automatic. I wonder if one of these instant oxygen readout machines would indicate a fluctuation instantly after O or while in pois in general vs while out. That would be hard to test without a machine at home [:o]

JOHN21- RE DIET INFLUENCE
 I am also very interested in the influence of nutrition on pois whether it be B9 Mg or whatever. My pois is still terrible but not as bad as it once was and I wonder if dietary intake, gut health, and nutrient uptake has had an impact on it.  

DEAN- In this new forum area I propose that we have a section for pois sufferers to simply record what they are currently eating large volumes of and taking for long term supplements and medications. Others could then view the info and make their own conclusions/inquiries/research/comments/chat.

Example TFR! NO JOKE/APPROXIMATE:
             90% of intake is TURKEY,
                              CHEESE(mostly swiss),
                              SPINACH(cooked and raw),
                              FRESH PINEAPPLE(some papaya),
              5% ICE CREAM            
              0% WHEAT, BARLEY, RYE
              Long term supplements: DAILY FISH OIL, VITAMIN D3 1000iu daily
              I drink mostly water, little of anything else.
              Minimal eating in evening/before bed in attempt to mitigate NEs

              I am part of the "popeye club" [:D] and I do not recommend 0% WHEAT, BARLEY, RYE [:P]. I simply feel it is necessary for my health. I do not know if ice cream is a net positive or negative for my health. I can not say for sure if the diet has any impact on pois. You can make your own judgments on this odd compilation.

Is this concept of sharing pois sufferers dietary staples/principles in a section of the new forum area of interest to anyone else? Is it even possible?  
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« Reply #6516 on: 03/01/2010 10:31:15 »
TFR,
I think it is a good idea, if it could be implemented in a way that is easy to read. I would add a comment on roughly how long you have been on this diet, and indicate what might be new in it.

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« Reply #6517 on: 03/01/2010 16:43:45 »

Yes, I consider myself to be an expert on true POIS recovery- which is why I delibrately write in arrogant manner about what I know works.


Do you realize how RIDICULOUS that sounds??? Even if you truly understand your own POIS, that gives you ZERO EXPERTISE in understanding OTHERS' POIS, especially since we're all different and have come to learn, SLOWLY,  that there are many and variegated forms of POIS!!!

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« Reply #6518 on: 03/01/2010 16:51:19 »

I like the circulation/cardiovascular idea demo and I sometimes wonder about pois sufferers heart health. RE: OXYGENATION- I was in the hospital a few weeks ago and the blood oxygen light sensor on my finger indicated all was well, although it gave higher readings with deep breaths(if you are looking for better oxygenation for heart/brain/muscles/relaxation/etc.). Obvious I know, but most people do not tend to concentrate on their breathing as it is automatic. I wonder if one of these instant oxygen readout machines would indicate a fluctuation instantly after O or while in pois in general vs while out. That would be hard to test without a machine at home [:o]


Let's put this to a test!

Any ideas how, anyone?


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« Reply #6519 on: 03/01/2010 17:54:16 »
More on chat.   
I say if we are going to initiate a chat we should do a about two weeks earlier and tell day an time we want to do it.  It will be helpful so we can decide wheter the topic is important and so we can get alot more people on it.

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« Reply #6520 on: 03/01/2010 19:18:33 »
TFR, so you mean like a personal log? That's a great idea, I'll try to figure out a way to implement it.

About scheduled chats, CCconfucius, I also think that's a great idea. Having a chatroom is worthless if there's never more than one person in it.

Thanks to everyone who has signed up at the forum, and thanks for all of your ideas.

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« Reply #6521 on: 03/01/2010 20:06:57 »
A forum for member logs is up at the forum. We'll have to standardize a way to organize them as time goes on.
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« Reply #6522 on: 03/01/2010 21:37:16 »
I really have to commend Daveyboy on his theories. He may not have been on this forum for a while, but he certainly has been investigating the mechanisms of POIS for a long time.

His findings resonate with me the best. A while ago I posted a theory (that wasn't heeded to) about muscle tension during orgasm, and how it persists afterwords. For me, I tense my abdominal muscles (and probably more than that) during orgasm. HOWEVER, when I made a note to relax throughout orgasm and the days after, letting my belly relax, symptoms of this disease were much lesser.

Please listen to Daveyboy. The mind-body, emotion-posture connection is 100 percent real and pervasive in our health.

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« Reply #6523 on: 04/01/2010 01:09:47 »
Great idea about a new forum with more structure. As a new member, it has been a bit hard to get all information.
I really think it's important get the old members to approve and submit to the new forum.

Will hopefully post my personal log in the new forum. Right now I'm trying Relora as suggested by many, but I have just started and are still waiting for results. ;)

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« Reply #6524 on: 04/01/2010 03:15:48 »
Another good point, sweden.

Thankfully, the 5 members that have decided to join are all members who have pretty much been here since the beginning. Actually, the very beginning (Thanks John!). And you're right, it's pointless to try to do anything without them, so I can only hope that more of the '07 members will join and that other members will follow their example.

Additionally, if you're someone who has been reading this forum, for however long, please introduce yourself, at either forum, and share your experiences! We can never have too many members or too large a base of sufferers. Thanks.

Ill be working on the other forum. Hope to see you there.

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« Reply #6525 on: 04/01/2010 05:03:37 »

An Open Letter To Dean93

Dean,

Some of us here at the NSF-POIS Thread are finding concerns about freeforums.org.

DEAN, SINCE THERE APPEARS TO BE AN "OWNERSHIP/PROPERTY" CONFLICT OF INTEREST, PLEASE REMOVE IMMEDIATELY ALL NSF-POIS VERBIAGE THAT COMES FROM OUR 3-YEAR OLD NSF-POIS FORUM. UNTIL WE RESOLVE THESE ISSUES. THANKS. Demo

Here are some concerns, in freeforums.org's own words (My comments are ALL CAPS, freeforums.org are lower case):
 
"What’s next for FreeForums.org? We are constantly being asked what we are working on next. Ever since we launched back in February of 2007 we have been at the top in terms of innovation and features. I would like to take a few minutes to discuess [sic] what we have in store for you, our customer:

ONE OF THE KEYS TO NSF-POIS FORUM SUCCESS IS THAT IT'S FREE - PRESSURE TO PAY FOR BETTER SERVICE GOES AGAINST OUR 3-YEAR FORUM PHILOSOPHY IN ACTION - Demo
 Premium Service — In the coming weeks we will give you an option to purchase a “Premium Forum” for a small monthly cost. This will include additional features and mods not possible on the free system.

AS YOU KNOW, DEAN, I HAVE FAILED REPEATEDLY TO GAIN ACCESS TO MY ADMIN FUNCTIONS (phpBB3) - AND YOUR SUGGESTION OF 'LET'S CHAT SOME DAY AT THE CHATROOM ABOUT IT' IS NOT COMFORTING IN THE LEAST! - Demo Simple Admin Panel — Lets face it, the phpBB3 admin panel wasn’t designed for non-tech savvy users. In the next two months we will be creating a simplified version of the admin panel that you can choose to use.

STATED BELOW IS A BLATANT CONTRADICTION TO OUR FORUM. IT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WE ARE 100% NON-PROFIT. AND WE RELY ON DONORS...DONORS WHO WOULD FLEE INSTANTLY IF THERE WERE EVEN A HINT OF A SNIFF OF MONEYMAKING OFF OUR MISERY! - Demo

 Make Money! — You put a lot of work into your forum because, like us, you are passionate about what you do. But who would complain about a little extra spending money for your time?

"We will launch various ways of making money off your forum."


I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE IS WARM TO THE IDEA OF "INSTANT MODERATOR" - WHICH COULD INCLUDE THOSE WITHOUT THE FAINTEST NOTION OF WHAT POIS IS! - Demo
  More Mods! — Can you ever have enough mods? We don’t think so either. With our new development cycle we’ve been releasing new mods in record time.

LASTLY, SOMEONE JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT EVERYTHING WE WRITE IS FREEFORUMS.ORG PROPERTY. THIS WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED! IT COULD EVEN PREVENT SAVING LIVES BY HAVING A FORUM FRIEND WRITE AN ARTICLE, A BOOK, A TV, RADIO SHOW, OTHER INTERNET PUBLICITY. THIS IS OUR PROPERTY. PERIOD. SO, ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE REMOVE ANY NSF-POIS VERBIAGE UNTIL WE STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT - Demo

continuation of freeforums.org post:
As always we will be working hard to bring you the very best tools and resources to run your community. If you would like to see anything added please let us know!"

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6526 on: 04/01/2010 06:05:38 »
I can't say enough about this mind-body connection. Of course there aren't any scientific trials on this, what do you expect? All you really need is to personally see the connection.

Sit and do nothing for 30 minutes. Completely relax everything. Listen to music if you get bored. But pay attention to your body. FEEL your body and its insides. Pay attention to your breathing (don't force any type of breathing, just observe it) and pay attention to your chest and abdominal muscles and everything else.

And pay attention to your thoughts. You WILL move according to the thoughts you have. A fleeting thought of self doubt might be a tense in the solar plexus. Perhaps a worry about the future a twitch in the elbow. Maybe an impatient thought will be a sudden itch somewhere. An abnormal eye shift. A jaw clench.

Psychological issues = bodily issues and vice versa. I don't intend to convince everyone, but I implore you to keep the idea in your mind as a frame of self-observation.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6527 on: 04/01/2010 06:17:11 »
RhythmSpring, very interesting. When I recently had surgery at one of the world's most modern hospitals, they very much espoused this kind of mind-body connection. I have practiced TM for over 25 years, and it usually leaves me feeling better, but I also appear "spacey" and feel sleepy. But this could also be my strange body chemistry; POIS is just one example. If I do 20 minutes of cardiovascular exercise for example, I wind up "wired", as if someone dumped a gallon of coffee down my gullet; and jet lag can be as bad, if not worse, than POIS for me!

But now I'm willing to try again.

I have a sneaking suspicion that since the blood-and-oxygen flow to my brain and body have been progressively more choked off for many, many years (which my open heart surgery has hopefully "cured") - I'm excited that it's even possible to gain the benefits that you suggest.

Thanks for posting that, RS!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6528 on: 04/01/2010 08:02:25 »
Demo,

Premium Service — In the coming weeks we will give you an option to purchase a “Premium Forum” for a small monthly cost. This will include additional features and mods not possible on the free system.

I don't see offering services as pressure, they can be declined simply by ignoring them, and the site will remain free.

Another quote from the same blog:

Q) So FreeForums.org is no longer free?
A) We will always remain 100% free. However, some users have expressed interest in paying money for features that we otherwise couldn’t release due to expensive development or upkeep costs. For those users, they can pay to have a Premium forum.

It's an option, not in any way a requirement.

I offered to help you with your administration via chat because it's in realtime, and it's easier than going back and forth in private messages, that's it. The first time you contacted me about having issues with your admin functions was just yesterday. I think in time, that would have most definitely have gotten sorted out.

About "Making Money", what has to be understood is that forums are not created specifically for rare disease groups, of for anything in particular. They are made to be able to accommodate almost any topic. To do this, they offer a wide range of services. Tools to make money would be great for businesses. We're not a business, so were obviously just not going to use that feature; it's not for us. But it's being there for anyone's use is not a sign of a website that has any bad intentions.

Your next point is just a simple misunderstanding. Mods, as used in your quote, stands for modifications, and NOT for moderators.

If you scroll to the bottom of this very page, you will see this:

"The contents of this site are © The Naked Scientists® 2000-2010. The Naked Scientists® and Naked Science™ are registered trademarks."

What does this mean? Does it not give the people here ownership of this forum? What is the difference?

I'm thinking it's more of a legal sort of thing. It would be silly for a hosting website to try and "steal" the information or work of forum members, at freeforums or at NSF. I can't say I know, and I'm not saying that we shouldn't be cautious or check up on these things.

Finally, I accept that a lot of people are being critical about this idea. I'm not suggesting hiding from the facts. But I don't think were at the point where the forum has proved itself to be impossible. There are a lot of benefits to the forum, some of which have already been discussed, and their value should not be so quickly forfeited.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6529 on: 04/01/2010 08:18:36 »

We could debate this for ages. Your site is a moneymaking site, which goes against the grain of a non-profit "charity" which is the closest concept in similarity to ours. Just the idea of having to pay a premium...for better service...I find offensive.

NSF-POIS is run by a group of scientists. To promote science. Period. It's owned by a physician, with prestigious university affiliations.

Money changes hands nowhere in the organization.

That "financial-motive purity" plus the reputation/prestige paragraph above that, spell out a perfect credibility stance for our small, unrecognized group of sufferers in need of the attention of top flight global quality researchers who are in a position to help us wipe the scourge of POIS off this planet.

And freeforums.org is blatant about their non-user-friendly tech administration. As I said, it's ridiculous that I spent an hour, with no luck, trying to access admin functions. And at this stage of my post-surgery rehab, an hour is a GIANT amount of time and energy for me.

Your initial insistence about abandoning this "old" forum only came about under pressure from me and others.

To everyone: I think those of you who know me well understand that I want every possibility of a betterment for POIS sufferers. So PLEASE feel free to PM me or post your thoughts about this forum here!!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6530 on: 04/01/2010 17:08:23 »

     



Hoping the POIS "Census" Worldwide is LOWER than                    2009!!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6531 on: 04/01/2010 22:03:18 »
Interesting discussion about the forum. As I see it, there are three central issues here:
1) Is the host for-profit?
2) Does the host have rights on the content posted?
3) Does it matter either way?

In regards to 1), this will essentially always be the case.  There's no "free lunch".  Essentially any site offering full fledged forum administration to strangers is only going to do it if they think they can get something out of it.  But does it matter?  In this case, probably not.  These sites are usually massive -- far too big for the administrators to take a great interest in our forum.  And even if they did, would they do anything?  Probably not.  It's too much effort.  The same goes for content rights.  And in regards to content -- I don't really see the problem with them 'owning' the posts.  It feels uncomfortable, but is it going to make any practical difference?  Again, probably not.  Sometimes we have to bite the bullet and be pragmatic to get anything done.

Having said that, it's obviously preferable to have a trustworthy host, if it's a realistic option -- and I think it is. For this to happen, one of us would have to host the forum on our computer, or more likely, we could all pitch in and buy some server space somewhere: so we have complete control over everything.  Either option would be cheap and easy.  I'm guessing about $15/month.  I'd happily contribute towards this... but I don't have time to direct this initiative.

Finally, we can all get a bit passionate about these issues, and take things personally -- because we all care so much about what's going on.  Having read through some of the recent posts, I don't think there's any major or immediate concern. So everyone, please relax. In fact, I think it's really good that we're working on expanding... so let's all work together to find the best solution to this issue.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6532 on: 05/01/2010 08:06:58 »
report update on "low dose naltrexone", after titration up into therapeutic range @ 3-4.5mg, i feel unbelievably great. i am at 3mg right now. i hope to reach the target dose, which is 4.5 mg, in the next week or two. if my newly achieved well being is a fluke, i will be in big trouble because i just signed up for another chemistry class on my schedule. i feel like going to med school instead of nurse practitioner school now.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6533 on: 05/01/2010 17:28:41 »

Counterpoints, thanks for the sober reflection!

My sense is that TNS is more altruistic than other sites. I know that fundraising is needed just to keep up with ongoing site requirements. All-volunteer staff as far as I can tell.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6534 on: 05/01/2010 20:24:35 »

Counterpoints, thanks for the sober reflection!

My sense is that TNS is more altruistic than other sites. I know that fundraising is needed just to keep up with ongoing site requirements. All-volunteer staff as far as I can tell.
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Have you tried low dose nalxolene with pois yet. And has it kept stoping NE

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6535 on: 05/01/2010 20:33:32 »
I just wanna make mention on something on milk or a tuner caserole. I ate tuner caserole while i was feeling fantastic,  all my energy was zapped right away, i was going to go exercise and that was just impossible. ( it felt like pois fatigue but mild pois brain.) Other than tuna there was cream of cheese in the casserole and milk.
Today i drank lots of milk and cheese and feel that same fatigue..

I will eat alot of another type of food and see what happens.   

I know you guys talked about it before but this is my first time noticing.

do you guys think it is because of calcium or something else in milk and cheese.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6536 on: 05/01/2010 22:39:12 »
CConfucius,
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do you guys think it is because of calcium or something else in milk and cheese.
Me thinks you should load up on spinach! Who knows, maybe this crazy theory has legs: The first time I O'd on this regiment I did have some burnout a full week after, but since then I have had two NEs with no effect. I'm still dreading that burnout will reappear, fingers crossed. I'll keep ya's posted.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6537 on: 06/01/2010 01:38:58 »
Regarding the forum site:

I really think that this is not an issue about what is best right now, it more of an issue about what will make sense in X years when new members (or scientist) join and try to find more information.
We really want to make sure that what is chosen now is something that works out in the next couple of years; both when it comes to attract the existing users (and most importantly many of the "very active users") and also when it comes to know that the forums will continue to exits in the future.

I have not investigated what's available but I'm sure that if the "current" solution is not working, there must be other solutions that has a very low or no cost. If cost is an issue and Dean & Demo can agree on the "perfect" solution, I'm willing to donate $50 for this cause today.

Personally, I do not care who owns my posts as long as they help someone and will be available for others. I do not care about if someone makes a little money on my posts (or payments) as long as we can increase our chances of finding help/cure.

If this decision needs some time, let it take that time. I think it would be very bad if this ends up with separate forums.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6538 on: 07/01/2010 08:05:45 »
B_JIM thanks for the encouragement.  i have had one NE while on LDN, i woke up as it was happening and tried to stop it. only a small amount of fluid came out, but only produced mild pois symptoms.  my previous two ne's before, were neck brakingly severe, but a lot of fluid was released.  i will need six solid months before i can report a percentage of relief for pois.  i feel so good, and my memory is better than i thought possible.  i cant imagine that it has not severely improving pois symptoms. i think if normal people took LDN they would become super human. as an antidepresent it puts all others to shame, and i have tried everything except mao inhibitors. 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6539 on: 07/01/2010 15:22:21 »
Laurac, I was extremely resistant at first, but the most potent antidepressant for me is stimulants.

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« Reply #6540 on: 07/01/2010 19:55:26 »
lauracostis: good job. We hope it will help for Pois too :)

CCC : test again and again to confirm it. I think the effect of minerals (calcium and magnesium) is probably too slow to feel such a difference, dispite I feel worst when mg is low.
I have posted a link about presence of morphin in milk (500 ng per liter). Some babies seems sensible to it. Some guys feel a calming effect of milk. I tried diet with and without milk and dairy products and I don't feel any difference on my Pois. I have eaten spinach last 2 weeks without real effect (spinach have sepcific opioid peptide too but once again test is negative and no effect for me). I tried fenugreek caps before orgasm (and the day before). My Pois has been vey short with few symptoms but days after I feel very anxious and nervous. Like caffeine. But all this must be tested again. Cortisol back to normal next hours. I feel myself very sensible to light and noise stress. All this wasted cortisol can't help to reduce Pois.

so fenugreek helped you untill anxiousness came out? am confused
and if it did, how long did the anxiousness last.
i dont understand what you mean by wasted cortisol, how did you waste cortisol


I will get back on milk but it might be a while.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6541 on: 07/01/2010 22:23:33 »
lauracotis

do you know the longterm sideeffects of Low dose naxolene

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6542 on: 08/01/2010 02:32:11 »
lauracotis

do you know the longterm sideeffects of Low dose naxolene
there are none that i know about, there are no known drug interactions except for of course opiods, which naltrexone is an antagonist of.

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« Reply #6543 on: 08/01/2010 19:18:08 »
OK, POIS #2 AFTER HEART SURGERY [;D]

I went into a "mild panic" when I felt my fingers numbing a little (the usual signal for 30 years that precedes the onslaught of vicious POIS sysmptoms for the next 4 days, i.e., a death-knell!).

"POIS #1" as I mentioned earlier was 100% POIS-free. "POIS #2" was 95%, which I will acknowledge because of the mild finger numbing scare.

But this morning, about 17 hours into "POIS #2" I had an indescribable burst of energy!!! I played the piano for 30 minutes straight (almost accurately! [;D]) - which I NEVER have done before - in 30 years - in early POIS!

All very strange. Yesterday I had a very nauseous/stomach crampy reaction, lasting many hours, which may have come from forgetting (forgetting is a temporary reaction to surgery) to remove my testosterone patches - - so I was wearing double-dose 6 patches!!! [:D] I removed them and stopped testosterone for a while to let my system "catch up".

Anyway, I DO NOT recommend emergency open heart surgery, quintuple bypass with complications as a cure for POIS!!!!  [::)]

Kidding aside, I am very happy that I am now successfully treating POIS, primarily with testosterone patches + stimulants (secondary). FOR ONE YEAR!
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« Reply #6544 on: 09/01/2010 08:45:34 »
Great news lauracostis and Demo!

None of my recent pois experiments have panned out recently.

On a good note though, I ate 10-15 greasy bacon slices and a bunch of tomato slices for a snack one day as I was under the influence of NE related fatigue and it surprisingly gave me a real noticeable boost for the rest of the day. I am certainly going to try this again in the future and will report back if I can duplicate the results.

Has anyone else considered bacon and tomatoes for pois munchies?  [;D]

Please do not try this if you are concerned about clogged arteries! [:P

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« Reply #6545 on: 09/01/2010 22:26:40 »
Lauracostis,
 
If LDN helps with POIS do you think maybe the syndrome might be caused reduced beta-endorphin levels, and if so couldn't this be measured in a blood test?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6546 on: 10/01/2010 01:06:57 »
Lauracostis,
 
If LDN helps with POIS do you think maybe the syndrome might be caused reduced beta-endorphin levels, and if so couldn't this be measured in a blood test?
you can have beta-endorphine levels tested.  as for low amounts of b-endorphines as the cause of pois, i cant find evidence of any etiology for pois.  the increased amounts of endorphines produced by the body while taking "LDN" would most likely lessen the symptoms of anything, due to their pain blocking effects. "LDN" has been most effective on autoimmune disease, the increased amount of endorphins are binding to receptors on cells of the immune system, which some how helps correct them from attacking self-antigens.  some people report large reductions in the time(length of illness) and amount of times they get sick, like colds and flu. some people report that they don't get sick at all anymore.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6547 on: 10/01/2010 02:49:20 »
CC, I'm not well with calcium without mg (kind of mental confusion or cognitive problems).
The milk problem can be a lot of things opioids,calcium,hormones,antibiotics,pesticides,fat,lactose,..
I'm clearly better with organic milk but there's still a bad effect.

Lauracostis,
Great experience with LDN. The following link is about depression and opioid system and confirms what you said:
http://www.depressioncenter.org/newsroom/depression_diversity.asp

On this page there's a link toward a list of studies including anxiety. They're searching for volunteers. fMRI is used a lot. http://www.umengage.org/

I'm currently taking phosphatidylserine since 3 days. There's no effect for now but like B_Jim I took caffeine during holidays and didn't feel well on it. It's rare I don't feel an effect from a supplement so I'll wait.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6548 on: 10/01/2010 04:29:14 »

Great news lauracostis and Demo!

None of my recent pois experiments have panned out recently.

On a good note though, I ate 10-15 greasy bacon slices and a bunch of tomato slices for a snack one day as I was under the influence of NE related fatigue and it surprisingly gave me a real noticeable boost for the rest of the day. I am certainly going to try this again in the future and will report back if I can duplicate the results.

Has anyone else considered bacon and tomatoes for pois munchies?  [;D]

Please do not try this if you are concerned about clogged arteries! [:P


                      

                       "Le Premiere POIS Snack Du Monde?"


Perhaps this can be marketed under John21's Popeye Initiative!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #6549 on: 10/01/2010 21:04:31 »
that sandwich doesnt look to bad